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by Barometria » Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:47 am
by Superbunny » Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:24 am
by Tinhampton » Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:26 am
by Tarnik » Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:29 am
Barometria wrote:Indeed.
I fear all that has been accomplished was:
1. Bringing attention to Fascism.
2. Drawing a bunch of eyes to a small, non-offensive, non-militaristic and otherwise inconsequential Fascist Region.
3. Effectively and unintentionally promoting the spread of Fascist ideals by doing #1 and #2 above, which drew eyes to it.
And
4. Actually causing the peoples of many Nations, including some in our very own Barometria, to feel sympathetic not towards Fascism, of course, but to the Region that the SC was considering raiding for no good reason.
by Kuriko » Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:35 am
by Lyrical International Brigade » Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:43 am
by Superbunny » Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:48 am
by Praeceps » Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:56 am
by The Gilded Star » Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:58 am
Superbunny wrote:OOC: And now that the NPA has successfully taken control, the region (unless thousands of people suddenly change their votes) will be free for raiders to try and take. Neat!
by Lothric- » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:28 am
Lord Dominator wrote:Lothric- wrote:Imagine if the UN had guidelines and then NATO just totally blew said guidelines off, not 'a little' blow off, but 100% just going against them.
The UN would be on NATO's ass ASAP, but as I said, the WA and its associated organizations are poorly set up and since they're managed by volunteers, they won't ever be set up properly.
They're set up perfectly fine, you're just assuming that a guide is worth far more than it is.
by Eternal Cesken » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:29 am
Barometria wrote:Indeed.
I fear all that has been accomplished was:
1. Bringing attention to Fascism.
2. Drawing a bunch of eyes to a small, non-offensive, non-militaristic and otherwise inconsequential Fascist Region.
3. Effectively and unintentionally promoting the spread of Fascist ideals by doing #1 and #2 above, which drew eyes to it.
And
4. Actually causing the peoples of many Nations, including some in our very own Barometria, to feel sympathetic not towards Fascism, of course, but to the Region that the SC was considering raiding for no good reason.
by Marxist Germany » Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:16 pm
Superbunny wrote:OOC: And now that the NPA has successfully taken control, the region (unless thousands of people suddenly change their votes) will be free for raiders to try and take. Neat!
by Superbunny » Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:31 pm
by Lord Dominator » Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:04 pm
Lothric- wrote:Lord Dominator wrote:They're set up perfectly fine, you're just assuming that a guide is worth far more than it is.
a guide that is set up based on the guidelines of the WA's passed laws? lmao ok, I guess all the laws of the wa don't matter..which they didn't to begin with since all it does is annoy people with telegrams
by Barometria » Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:14 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:The SC has 4 rules helpfully pinned in this forum. None of them govern use of liberation in any manner relevant to this. None of the 'laws' of the GA are noted to matter, or even exist.
In July 2009, a new Security Council resolution category was introduced - Liberations, as a response to demands from NationStates players for a tool to combat region destruction.
by Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:23 pm
Barometria wrote:Lord Dominator wrote:The SC has 4 rules helpfully pinned in this forum. None of them govern use of liberation in any manner relevant to this. None of the 'laws' of the GA are noted to matter, or even exist.
Here's a quote from Ransium:
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=218040In July 2009, a new Security Council resolution category was introduced - Liberations, as a response to demands from NationStates players for a tool to combat region destruction.
So, we were going to use a Liberation (a tool created to combat region destruction) in this matter before us literally to destroy a region. And, the proposer said, "Destroy," I didn't pick that word.
Totally makes sense.
Let's just create a new type of bill called, "Sanctioned Destruction."
Other types of Liberations
Preventative/Pre-emptive Liberations - these are Liberations of regions which are still under native control, but believe that they are sufficiently threatened by the prospect of region destruction that they need a Liberation of their region to deter it. These are usually controversial, as it is extremely hard to prove that a region is under threat of destruction when it is still controlled by its natives.
Liberations-to-invade - these are Liberations that are used to remove the password from a (usually founderless) region to allow it to be targeted for invasion. A proposal of this sort may be more likely to pass if disguised as a conventional 'retaliatory' or 'preventative' liberation.
Objective Liberations - these are Liberations that are passed for reasons other than protecting a region against/freeing a region from invasion. An example is the proposal "Liberate The Jedi Council" which aimed to remove the password from the aforementioned region to allow the members to return and eject a final resident to allow them to re-found the region.
Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.
RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.
Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..
by Barometria » Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:28 pm
Preventative/Pre-emptive Liberations - these are Liberations of regions which are still under native control, but believe that they are sufficiently threatened by the prospect of region destruction that they need a Liberation of their region to deter it. These are usually controversial, as it is extremely hard to prove that a region is under threat of destruction when it is still controlled by its natives.
Liberations-to-invade - these are Liberations that are used to remove the password from a (usually founderless) region to allow it to be targeted for invasion. A proposal of this sort may be more likely to pass if disguised as a conventional 'retaliatory' or 'preventative' liberation.
Objective Liberations - these are Liberations that are passed for reasons other than protecting a region against/freeing a region from invasion. An example is the proposal "Liberate The Jedi Council" which aimed to remove the password from the aforementioned region to allow the members to return and eject a final resident to allow them to re-found the region.
by Maraculand » Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:22 pm
by Lord Dominator » Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:39 pm
by Barometria » Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:44 pm
Maraculand wrote:Any deliberations here are fairly pointless. Many before have stated that the resolution was being proposed simply as an attempt to damage political opponents with no due process.
I've only been a member here for a short time but sees like the SC and possibly the GA are at this point a lawless trainwreck aimed to promote the agenda of the majority and force it on the minority.
Discussion or debate seems to be quite meaningless.
by Maraculand » Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:46 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:There is no due process here, this is not a court or really much of a government.
by Tinhampton » Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:59 pm
Barometria wrote:Maybe we decide that there should not be a Region that supports Christian Conservatism. "Hey, we were able to, 'Liberate,' the Fascists, let's 'Liberate' some Christians now!" Inevitably, there will be an argument that it would never go that far, but why the hell not?
by Druing » Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:08 pm
by Lord Dominator » Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:22 pm
Druing wrote:i mean turn the SC into your own personal toy for battering the things you personally don't like if you want; just be prepared to reap the consequences of it
by Druing » Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:27 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:Consequences have yet to come in the last 2 years of liberating fascist/nazi regions.
Feel free to let me know when they do (ie never).
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