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by Morover » Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:02 pm
by Umeria » Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:53 pm
Maowi wrote:OOC: I think the comma placement makes it clear what you mean.
But I still find your definition problematic. Substituting "nations" with "peoples," which has a similar meaning, doesn't solve the problem. I'd personally be more on board with "first contact" being an encounter between an official representative of a member nation, or a member nation's military forces, with someone from another nation, for the first time.
Morover wrote:Additionally, this discredits the intentional introduction of two nations via a third-party nation.
by Araraukar » Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:02 pm
Umeria wrote:I don't see anything wrong with the proposal. Do you?
Umeria wrote:Is it really that boring?
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Umeria » Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:16 pm
Araraukar wrote:OOC: I'm still waiting for the explanation of how it's relevant to MT nations. Past tech ones? Sure, far enough past. Future tech ones exploring new solar systems? Sure, though limited. But MT nations? Nah. And they're the majority.
by Maowi » Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:47 am
1. Defines, for the purposes of this resolution:
a. an "unformed relationship" as a lack of the interaction and/or communication necessary for a member nation to have any disposition towards another nation;
b. a "first contact" as an accidental meeting between one or more peoples, including peoples from a member nation with an unformed relationship towards at least one other party;
by Kenmoria » Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:59 am
by Araraukar » Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:29 pm
Umeria wrote:Araraukar wrote:OOC: I'm still waiting for the explanation of how it's relevant to MT nations. Past tech ones? Sure, far enough past. Future tech ones exploring new solar systems? Sure, though limited. But MT nations? Nah. And they're the majority.
I changed the definitions so that meeting with newly independent states counts as a first contact. Newly independent states can exist in MT worlds, as they do on RL Earth.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Umeria » Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:58 pm
Araraukar wrote:OOC: But even in such a case you won't be unaware of there being a nation, even if yours hadn't had dealings with them yet.
by Maowi » Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:02 am
Maowi wrote:OOC: Maybe it's just me, but I still don't find that your definitions are sufficiently clear.1. Defines, for the purposes of this resolution:
a. an "unformed relationship" as a lack of the interaction and/or communication necessary for a member nation to have any disposition towards another nation;
Does this refer to a member nation's general popluace, or the nation's government, both, or neither? I think you should specify, unless you do want it to refer to both, which I'd find somewhat odd and hard to determine.
by Araraukar » Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:59 am
Maowi wrote:OOC: OK, I can now tell what 1.b is doing, but this problem still stands with 1.a.Maowi wrote:OOC: Maybe it's just me, but I still don't find that your definitions are sufficiently clear.
Does this refer to a member nation's general popluace, or the nation's government, both, or neither? I think you should specify, unless you do want it to refer to both, which I'd find somewhat odd and hard to determine.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Araraukar » Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:30 pm
Umeria wrote:Changed:an "unformed relationship" as a lack of the interaction and/or communication necessary for any part of a member nation to have any disposition towards another nation;
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Bears Armed » Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:21 am
by Umeria » Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:56 am
Araraukar wrote:Umeria wrote:Changed:an "unformed relationship" as a lack of the interaction and/or communication necessary for any part of a member nation to have any disposition towards another nation;
OOC: That doesn't really answer any of the concerns. Are private citizens a "part of a member nation"? If yes, then I'm still waiting for the scenario that this'd fit, for MT nations. If not, then you need to define what you count as parts of a member nation.
Bears Armed wrote:The current title makes this look as though the proposal should be about standards in blood transfusion services...
by Kenmoria » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:15 pm
by Umeria » Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:43 pm
Kenmoria wrote:“The definition still isn’t quite there, as plenty of nations are willing to form dispositions based on the fact that other nations merely exist.”
by Araraukar » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:57 pm
Umeria wrote:Defines, for the purposes of this resolution:
- an "unformed relationship" as a lack of the interaction and/or communication necessary for a member nation's government to have any unique disposition towards another nation;
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Umeria » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:52 pm
Araraukar wrote:OOC: Very non-militaristic here, but this is still a weird definition, given that nations tend to have unique dispositions (which doesn't really mean anything)
towards nations they have no official contact/relationship with.
Araraukar wrote:But why has this whole thing gone in such a difficult direction anyway? You could accomplish what you want by going "Don't shoot at people or vehicles unless you know who and what you are shooting at, or unless they have entered your territory without permission." Then make it apply to nations instead of OOC players, but that doesn't need a million definitions either, because none of the words used there are weird or have multiple meanings.
by Araraukar » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:13 am
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Umeria » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:53 pm
Hereby prohibits all citizens of member nations from attacking persons or vehicles of unknown origin, unless it is in response to either an attack or a territorial incursion by said persons or vehicles.
by Araraukar » Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:12 pm
Umeria wrote:One sentence! It hath been done!Hereby prohibits all citizens of member nations from attacking persons or vehicles of unknown origin, unless it is in response to either an attack or a territorial incursion by said persons or vehicles.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Terttia » Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:26 pm
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