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The COT Corporation wrote:"I just have to say, amazingly written drafts."

"Thank you, sir."

Terttia wrote:

Sylvai wrote:

• I think it's important to retrain healthcare providers in the event of an outbreak so that they're aware of the proper ways to treat infection and limit its spread.

Forcing healthcare workers to be retrained with syringes every time there is an outbreak is counterintuitive; healthcare workers should be trained in such a way that they can apply their skills to almost all situations. Only when EPARC sets new standards should they be retrained.

Okay, that's a fair enough point. I'll change that point of the proposal.

/bump

If there isn't much feedback left to offer, I think I'd like to submit the proposal soon. Should I do a "last call" for a week before submitting (barring any game-changing feedback during that time)?

Charges healthcare organizations with training any medical personnel who treat disease on proper syringe usage in accordance with this resolution and retrain them should EPARC substantively change the noted international standards.

Your proposal merely provides for retraining. Why are further punishments not warranted? A citizen who deliberately infects a community of peregrines with, say, smallpox is very different from one who does so with a community of citizens. The latter is a traitor and deserves death. The former is a patriot deserving days of thanksgiving from the senate.

Sylvai wrote:Should I do a "last call" for a week before submitting?

OOC: No, you should wait at least a week to give people time to get out of the holiday season (which for many people doesn't end until the second week of January) and back into the rut of things. Year's changing, along with decade number, people are busy elsewhere, that doesn't mean they didn't have things to say about the proposal, just that right now they're prioritizing other things.

And speaking of that, I'm off until next year, have a nice and safe change of the year, and I'll try to get back to this in the next couple of days.

Quirinum wrote:

Charges healthcare organizations with training any medical personnel who treat disease on proper syringe usage in accordance with this resolution and retrain them should EPARC substantively change the noted international standards.

Your proposal merely provides for retraining. Why are further punishments not warranted? A citizen who deliberately infects a community of peregrines with, say, smallpox is very different from one who does so with a community of citizens. The latter is a traitor and deserves death. The former is a patriot deserving days of thanksgiving from the senate.

Further punishments may very well be warranted, but the law as written already makes it illegal to not utilize safe syringes when treating disease.

[*]Mandates that any healthcare organizations follow these international standards or utilize new, sterile syringes when treating disease with syringes;

The punishment for the crime of utilizing unclean syringes should be determined by individual nations because many nations may have different methods of punishment (e.g. punitive vs. rehabilitative). However, I do recognize that the current draft makes it unclear that medical professionals must also follow the international standards. I'll make that more clear.

Araraukar wrote:

Sylvai wrote:Should I do a "last call" for a week before submitting?

-snip-

OOC: Alrighty, have a safe New Year's yourself and thanks for the help.

OOC: It’s been quite a while, so I’m going to move this to Last Call. Feel free to state your outright objection or support of the proposal. Any feedback is still welcome. Hopefully, I’ll be submitting this in a week or so.

Sylvai wrote:OOC: It’s been quite a while, so I’m going to move this to Last Call. Feel free to state your outright objection or support of the proposal. Any feedback is still welcome. Hopefully, I’ll be submitting this in a week or so.

OOC: 'Directs the Epidemic and Pandemic Alert and Response Center to develop international standards that adequately disinfect used syringes for reuse [and] safely discard syringes that are no longer safe to reuse'

Standards can neither adequately disinfect syringes nor discard them. These clauses need to be changed.

OOC: Just a quick post because I'm about to head off to go to live theathre with my dad.

First clause, instead of "standards that", make it "standards to". More about the subclauses below.

Second clause, including the safe disposal in the standards creates a problem here, since you have "follow the standards or use new syringes", so if they opt to use new syringes, the safe disposal is not included. I'd put the "use new, sterile syringes when possible" as the new subclause a. in clause 1, make new b. as "or adequately (etc.)", switch the order of the current b. and c. subclauses and make them the new c. and d. - and then make clause 2 read "Mandates that all healthcare organizations and medical personnel follow these international standards when treating or preventing disease with the use of syringes", with the additions in place.

Making the suggested changes would make clause 3 unnecessary (as it would already have been said).

Clause 4, make "proper syringe usage" to read instead "proper syringe use and disposal".

1. Directs the Epidemic and Pandemic Alert and Response Center to develop international standards that

1. adequately disinfect used syringes for reuse;
2. safely discard syringes that are no longer safe to reuse;
3. determine when a syringe is no longer safe to use and therefore must be discarded;

OOC:

Perhaps rephrase this as

"1. Directs the... to develop international standards that ensure the:
a. adequate disinfection...
b. safe discarding of syringes...
c. adequate determination of when a syringe..."

Morover wrote:*snip*

OOC: That doesn't help the issue that the standards themselves do not do any of those things. Hence "standards to" works better in the main clause.

Araraukar wrote:-snip-

All very good points; I will make those changes when I get on my computer tonight. Thanks again, Araraukar.

EDIT: Done.

I've just submitted the proposal to the General Assembly.

Please approve it here.

Thank you to everyone who helped me perfect and reach the best form possible of this proposal, and thanks to all who will approve it in advance.

Sylvai wrote:I've just submitted the proposal to the General Assembly.

Please approve it here.

Thank you to everyone who helped me perfect and reach the best form possible of this proposal, and thanks to all who will approve it in advance.

(OOC: How are you campaigning for it?)

You've gotta be kidding me. This is the same safety protocols that every nation has had in practice for years.

Opposed. Unnecessary meddling in domestic affairs.

Teretstein wrote:You've gotta be kidding me. This is the same safety protocols that every nation has had in practice for years.

OOC: Literally untrue for RL, so likely untrue for NS as well. And in both the safety protocols might not be always followed because of lack of funding or trained healthcare personnel.

You really think that homeless people are going to care what the WA says?

If you have a drug problem in your country, that's your problem, not ours.

Kenmoria wrote:

Sylvai wrote:I've just submitted the proposal to the General Assembly.

Please approve it here.

Thank you to everyone who helped me perfect and reach the best form possible of this proposal, and thanks to all who will approve it in advance.

(OOC: How are you campaigning for it?)

OOC:
I have no idea, how do I campaign for a proposal? Any help would be much appreciated.

Teretstein wrote:You really think that homeless people are going to care what the WA says?

If you have a drug problem in your country, that's your problem, not ours.

I don’t think you understand what this proposal is about. It has nothing to do with swap-syringe programs for drug users. This proposal requires that all health programs use safe, sterilized syringes when treating disease. An epidemic in one country is extremely likely to travel to other countries and become a worldwide epidemic. This resolution would only affect swap-syringe programs if nations already had them.There is no mention of drugs in this proposal, or anything similar. Please read the proposal before voicing opposition to it.

Sylvai wrote:

Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: How are you campaigning for it?)

OOC:
I have no idea, how do I campaign for a proposal? Any help would be much appreciated.

(OOC: Campaigning is mostly sending telegrams that encourage delegates to approve your proposal. There are three types: manual, API and stamps. Manual campaigning involves telegramming delegates in small groups, and is the simplest to do. You are limited to sending a telegram to up to eight people, or possibly seven, so this can be quite slow, and requires a lot of effort.

The second method is using API, which is far more complicated than manual but far less time-consuming and much easier once you’ve started. It involves using a tool created by another player to send telegrams to all delegates at a rate of one per thirty seconds. For more information, I recommend using Soul’s Guide.

Thirdly, there are stamps. This is where you buy stamps from the NationStates store and can then telegram all delegates at once. By far the quickest method, stamps can be used very easily. However, this does cost RL money, so isn’t for everyone.)

Kenmoria wrote:-snip-

OOC: Thanks for the comprehensive answer, I think I'll look into doing it through API as I don't have the money for stamps and finals weekend is severely restricting the time I have to manually send telegrams out to people.

Sylvai wrote:

Kenmoria wrote:-snip-

OOC: Thanks for the comprehensive answer, I think I'll look into doing it through API as I don't have the money for stamps and finals weekend is severely restricting the time I have to manually send telegrams out to people.

I have a method that works for sending manually. Send a TG to me for details.

Terttia wrote:I have a method that works for sending manually. Send a TG to me for details.

Thanks for the offer, I've gone through the process of doing it through the API though, just waiting on my client key. If that doesn't come through, I'll send you a TG.

Sylvai wrote:

Terttia wrote:I have a method that works for sending manually. Send a TG to me for details.

Thanks for the offer, I've gone through the process of doing it through the API though, just waiting on my client key. If that doesn't come through, I'll send you a TG.

OOC: You'll likely miss this submission window, and will have to re-do it (it takes time to send the TGs and not all delegates log in daily, etc.). Basically it's adviced to not submit until you have your campaigning figured out and ready to go the moment you hit the submit button.

Araraukar wrote:OOC: You'll likely miss this submission window, and will have to re-do it (it takes time to send the TGs and not all delegates log in daily, etc.). Basically it's adviced to not submit until you have your campaigning figured out and ready to go the moment you hit the submit button.

Ah, well, maybe I'll send Terttia a telegram then. I may as well give campaigning a shot for this window though, as it would take only 8ish hours to get through every delegate once I get my client key and I still have two days left.

Sylvai wrote:I may as well give campaigning a shot for this window though, as it would take only 8ish hours to get through every delegate once I get my client key and I still have two days left.

OOC: Oh I didn't mean you couldn't use it as a learning opportunity; I more meant to warn you to not be disappointed if you don't reach quorum.

Araraukar wrote:OOC: Oh I didn't mean you couldn't use it as a learning opportunity; I more meant to warn you to not be disappointed if you don't reach quorum.

OOC: Ah, gotcha. Thank you, that does make me feel more assured