[DEFEATED] Repeal "Commend Evil Wolf"

[Mallorea and Riva]

Just for the public record, so it's clear, am I a "native delegate" of a GCR under your definitions?

I'll caveat this by saying that I would love to see sinkers that were genuinely built out of returning players rather than active players who deliberately placed themselves in those regions. I think the stewards of those regions should be more proactive about placing power in the hands of natural natives (the same could be said of TRR of course, albeit there may be conduct concerns there). But you are certainly a native delegate as a corollary of your tenure and investment in the region.

Of course legitimacy is not necessarily equal to adequacy.

At least something positive has come out of this thread.

[WayNeacTia]

OOC: The target is an infamous raider that has been griefing and wreaking havoc for over a decade.

If only the voters had known this when it passed the first time around!

It may have passed with an even larger margin!

[Roavin]

This may be relevant now - "Funk and the gang" refers to Funkadelia, Lamb Stone, and Killer Kitty (aka Evil Wolf), the trifecta that took over Laz with Rahl help in 2017 and essentially griefed it in 2018. The repeal as currently written focuses on those 2018 parts, where EW was more of a side show, and less on the 2017 parts which are much more egregious:

• EW was complicit in a scheme to import LWU and Rahl voters into Lazarus to stack votes in their favor; EW always denied this.
• EW was elected as Holy Prelate (judge) illegally by Funkadelia serving as Election Commissioner which he wasn't allowed to do (somebody else may correct this as I don't 100% recall it and Funk has since taken down the old Laz forum). Once in that position and his election was challenged, he did not recuse but rather decided to rule on his own election.
• EW was the face of the "Coup stopped in Lazarus" propaganda that Funk and the gang used when they purged Amerion, Harmoneia, and a few others. Not only was EW himself guilty as sin, he even took screenshots out of context to make the argument.

I feel that the inclusion of this would make the argument for a repeal much stronger.

[Marxist Germany]

OOC: Thank you for the suggestion, I will be adding it.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Did Lazarus put Wolf on trial for all of the above?

[Sancta Romana Ecclesia]

Noting that almost all the actions that Evil Wolf has been Commended for have been carried out through proxies and puppet states,

Why is that a reason for repeal again?

[Yokiria]

Noting that almost all the actions that Evil Wolf has been Commended for have been carried out through proxies and puppet states,

Why is that a reason for repeal again?

Good point. It is primarily the player that is commended. I suggest to the author that the clause be removed, as it significantly weakens the proposal for no good reason.

[Honeydewistania]

It’s obvious filler.

[Yokiria]

It’s obvious filler.

Fine, but if it's kept in, you don't get to whine when the opposition uses the flaw in that clause against the proposal. Deal?

[Honeydewistania]

I should had clarified my stance, I don’t like it because it’s obvious filler, and filler arguments are really bad.

[Yokiria]

I should had clarified my stance, I don’t like it because it’s obvious filler, and filler arguments are really bad.

Ah, okay. Misinterpretation on my part. Thought you were dismissing it. Glad you agree it's bad.

[Drop Your Pants]

Did Lazarus put Wolf on trial for all of the above?

Did they feck. EW is great at dodging trials

[Yokiria]

Did Lazarus put Wolf on trial for all of the above?

Did they feck. EW is great at dodging trials

Easy to dodge when they aren't thrown at you.

[Marxist Germany]

OOC: I have removed the filler clause and have submitted this proposal.

[Roavin]

Did you submit for a legality check or for the final stab?

[Marxist Germany]

Did you submit for a legality check or for the final stab?

OOC: I am going fully for it.

[Amerion]

The Admiral General does not believe this dictator deserves any praise nor official commendation from this esteemed body. If he were truly a capable autocrat like the Adm. Gen., he would have risen to the top of the region through its electoral processes and subjugated it behind the thin veneer of democratic governance. Moreover, he would have not been couped himself (!!!) *clutches at my pearls* (tip of the hat to Imkitopia). Accordingly, the Supreme Leader is pleased to exile this pretender from the Club of Lovable Despots and shall be voting in favour of this resolution.

— Colonel Llama
Press Secretary to the Admiral Delegate General

[Mallorea and Riva]

Did you submit for a legality check or for the final stab?

OOC: I am going fully for it.

*loads up on stamps*

If Laz can't be bothered to put Wolf on trial then I don't see why the SC should care.

[Marxist Germany]

OOC: I am going fully for it.

*loads up on stamps*

OOC: Let the games begin.

[Jakker]

Beyond the silliness of this repeal attempt, it is important to note the number of the original resolution fits EW's vibe very well and it would be an injustice for that to be striked from our historic records.

[Eumaeus]

The World Assembly Security Council,

Recognising Evil Wolf's efforts in combatting the spread of Nazism and Fascism,

Acknowledging however, that Evil Wolf is a nation notorious for raiding and initiating coups,

Deploring Evil Wolf's more recent involvement in Lazarus, a region that it was commended for helping, in which Evil Wolf, its allies Aleister and Funkadelia, and other members of Lone Wolves United committed the following crimes:

I'm not entirely sure about the ordering of the parties in the underlined section (though it doesn't really matter). I, personally, think that "Evil Wolf, other members of Lone Wolves United, and their allies, Aleister and Funkadelia, committed..." would flow better.

• Ejecting numerous native nations without a fair trial;
• Establishing an autocratic regime led by its proxy Killer Kity; and,
• Making several changes, such as declaring Lazarus a "Khanate" and flying a flag derived from the flag of Lone Wolves United, followed thereafter by changing the World Factbook Entry to include the phrase "the Dictatorship of the Raider"; and then appointing regional officers from the Condemned raiding region Lone Wolves United,

While my last comment was just a stylistic suggestion, this section has several grammatical errors in it. The only objective mistake I'm seeing is that when a writer includes an "and" at the end of the second to last item in a list they shouldn't put any sort of punctuation after it (in this case you've included a comma for some reason). Good job on using semicolons though: when writing a vertical list using non-sentence items that include internal punctuation (as you have) the items should end with semicolons instead of commas. Not a lot of people do that correctly.

Regarding the last item: because what you seem to be trying to do is an aside that includes examples of your more generic point, I've added in a necessary comma. The first of the two underlined sections is an instance of somewhat repetitive language (maybe replace the second "flag" with "colors" instead?). My comments on the second of the two underlined sections are twofold: 1) as it is this is an incorrect use of a semicolon (while I think the item is a bit of a run-on it would be correct nonetheless if the semicolon were replaced by a comma), but 2) I actually think that this second underlined section would be fine as its own separate item.

Also, while I checked and it looks like it is correct in the version submitted onsite, here on the forum you've mispelt Killer Kitty's name in this clause.

Decrying the actions of Evil Wolf that preceded and helped facilitate the aforementioned coup in Lazarus, which include allowing for the importation of voters as part of a scheme to undermine the democratic process in Lazarus; and lying to natives about preventing a coup from happening as part of the propaganda used to legitimise their own coup,

I feel that the word choice could be tweaked in the orange section to make it sound more nefarious, maybe something along the lines of "the smuggling of foreign voters" or something like that. I struck out two things back to back: 1) you're already talking about a coup in Lazarus so you really don't need to repeat that a second time and 2) you did the weird semicolon thing again (in this case it would work better without punctuation there). That last blue section is just a wording suggestion.

Appalled by the contradiction arising from Commending a nation that is the founder of a region condemned by this body in Security Council Resolution #74, Lone Wolves United: a region infamous for its coups in Feeders and Sinkers and which continues to raid and wreak havoc in undefended regions,

Blue section is just an attempt to help out with the flow of your writing. I maintain my position from days past that Condemnation and Commendation shouldn't be treated as mutually exclusive statuses. While the argument that condemning and commending based on the same activity is sound, in this case the argument is basically that someone did something bad and therefore shouldn't be acknowledged for doing something entirely different that the SC has previously decided by majority vote to be good.

Observing that whilst the actions taken by Evil Wolf to destroy Nazi Europe were noble and greatly cherished by the NationStates community, they do not justify a commendation on their own, especially when the target nation frequently participates in griefing and destructive behaviour,

I hate to be the guy who points this out (jk no I don't) but NationStates doesn't have a space in it.

Additionally I find it very strange that the underlined claim has no supporting evidence or arguments to justify it (you move on to new arguments in the following clauses). You kind of just say "the actions listed in the target proposal are not worthy of commendation on their own" and seem to expect the SC to treat that claim as natural despite the fact that, as I indicated above, the fact that Commend Evil Wolf was passed by a majority vote in the first place proves that the SC clearly disagrees with it. While I obviously disagree with you myself, I'm not trying to nitpick right now: this claim, which is vital to your overall argument, lacks substance to support it and the proposal's persuasiveness suffers as a result.

Further observing that the target resolution contains factual inaccuracies, such as a mention of Killer Kitty having been delegate of Lazarus in 2006-2007 for two terms, which is incorrect, as Killer Kitty served its first term in 2005 and its second in 2006, and never served as delegate in 2007,

Recalling that a previous commendation of A Mean Old Man had been repealed after its involvement in a coup of Lazarus; and that of Sedgistan, for its lead role in a coup of The South Pacific,

I almost made a comment that this clause felt like a whataboutism, but upon reflection it does a good job of acting as a citation of precedence. You did the semicolon thing again and while I would just say that there doesn't need to be any punctuation there I also think that the cohesion of this sentence is a bit wonky. I would suggest rewriting it and presenting both items with consistent wording.

Dismayed by the actions of the commended nation, in actively seeking to discredit attempts to warn natives of the East Pacific of the attempted coup as 'lies' from 'conspiracy theorists', and the detrimental impact this had on attempts to prevent the crimes that were subsequently committed, and,

Earlier you referred to LWU as "the Condemned raiding region", so for the sake of consistency (since you're using "commended" in the same manner here) "Commended" should be capitalized. There are two more instances of unnecessary commas that I've struck out. Genuine question: does TEP prefer to capitalize its "The"? You did so with TSP in the previous clause so I just wanted to check.

Also, while I'm pretty sure I know what you're referring to, it likely won't be exactly clear to uninformed voters what you're talking about. The way you brought up the attempted coup of TEP made me stop reading and go back through the proposal for something I thought I missed because it's introduced as if it had already been brought up.

Discerning that the actions of the nation Evil Wolf, when considered, are not befitting of a commendation;

Thus, the World Assembly Security Council repeals Security Council Resolution #169, Commend Evil Wolf.

Overall, despite the number of errors I've pointed out, I think this proposal is well written but I still disagree with the premise. While many of the points being made would feel perfectly at home in a condemnation, I'm not seeing a particularly strong or cohesive argument for the repeal of a commendation.

[Marxist Germany]

OOC: I have taken down the proposal and will be revising the prose before submitting it again tomorrow.

[Mallorea and Riva]

OOC: I have taken down the proposal and will be revising the prose before submitting it again tomorrow.

ANOTHER VICTORY FOR THE KHANATE.

Didn't even spend my stamps yet.

[Marxist Germany]

OOC: I have taken down the proposal and will be revising the prose before submitting it again tomorrow.

ANOTHER VICTORY FOR THE KHANATE.

OOC: Never celebrate too early! I have rewritten several parts of this proposal and have submitted it, hopefully for the last time.

[Honeydewistania]

ANOTHER VICTORY FOR THE KHANATE.

OOC: Never celebrate too early! I have rewritten several parts of this proposal and have submitted it, hopefully for the last time.

Be warned, your slow ass API system stands no chance against a flurry of stamps

It’s really well written, surprisingly. I might lend it my support (sorry EW)