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Postby Kenmoria » Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:25 pm

“Clause 7 should end with a full stop.”
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Postby Marxist Germany » Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:26 pm

Kenmoria wrote:“Clause 7 should end with a full stop.”

"This has been fixed."
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:31 pm

Infra.

Noting that mistreatment of animal test subjects may lead to severe distress for the animal and inaccurate research results,

should end with an "and".

Clarifies that an animal can still be adopted even if it is unable to live for over a year;

should end with an "and".
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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:19 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Infra.

Noting that mistreatment of animal test subjects may lead to severe distress for the animal and inaccurate research results,

should end with an "and".

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Also, there should be a comma after "the animal".
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Postby Marxist Germany » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:32 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Infra.

Noting that mistreatment of animal test subjects may lead to severe distress for the animal and inaccurate research results,

should end with an "and".

OOC
Also, there should be a comma after "the animal".

OOC: The Oxford comma was already used in the end of that clause, afaik, Oxford commas are not used all the time, and are instead used to breakdown lists or something similar?
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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:37 am

Marxist Germany wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:OOC
Also, there should be a comma after "the animal".

OOC: The Oxford comma was already used in the end of that clause, afaik, Oxford commas are not used all the time, and are instead used to breakdown lists or something similar?

OOC: without it, the clause says that "mistreatment of animal test subjects"may cause "severe distress to ... inaccurate research results", rather than that it may cause the actual inaccuracy...
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:01 am

Noting that mistreatment of animal test subjects may lead to—
severe distress for the animal and
inaccurate research results,

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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:15 am

“2b should have ‘reporting’ as opposed to ‘report’.”
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Postby Marxist Germany » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:05 pm

Kenmoria wrote:“2b should have ‘reporting’ as opposed to ‘report’.”

"Fixed."

OOC: Also added comma as suggested by BA.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:48 pm

Concerned by the lack of legislation regarding the treatment of testing animals,

Recognising that animals deserve to be properly treated during, and after testing,

Noting that mistreatment of animal test subjects may lead to severe distress for the animal, and inaccurate research results, and,

Seeking to establish regulations on the treatment of animal test subjects,

Bolding is unnecessary. The commas highlighted in red are incorrectly placed.

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Postby Marxist Germany » Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:15 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Concerned by the lack of legislation regarding the treatment of testing animals,

Recognising that animals deserve to be properly treated during, and after testing,

Noting that mistreatment of animal test subjects may lead to severe distress for the animal, and inaccurate research results, and,

Seeking to establish regulations on the treatment of animal test subjects,

Bolding is unnecessary. The commas highlighted in red are incorrectly placed.

OOC: I personally like the bolding. Commas fixed
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Postby Marxist Germany » Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:17 am

OOC: Bumping this one more time. Looks like this isn't getting much feedback. I'll be submitting on next Sunday if this is the case.
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:14 pm

OOC: Clause 7's "before the viability of its adoption or release into the wild has been examined and found unsuitable" should perhaps be reworded as "before its viability for adoption or release into the wild has been examined, and it has been found unsuitable for both" or something similar.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:03 pm

OOC: fixed.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:11 am

OOC: Submission tomorrow.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:35 am

OOC: Had to delay submission due to IRL, but now submitted.
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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:56 am

“You don’t need the second instance of ‘if it’ in clause 5a.”
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Postby Marxist Germany » Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:09 pm

Kenmoria wrote:“You don’t need the second instance of ‘if it’ in clause 5a.”

"It has already been submitted and campaigned for unfortunately, it's a very minor problem."
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Postby Creslonia » Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:37 pm

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Postby Saturna1ia » Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:32 am

Saturna1ians genuinely support the nature of this Resolution, but feel it does not go far enough. Specifically, the lack of a ban on animal testing for cosmetic research purposes (or at the very least a condemnation of the practice) and the lack of a section on the ethical use of animal cadavers used for studying veterinary medicine. Given this dilemma, Saturna1ia will not vote For or Against. If this Resolution fails, it our hope the issue will be taken up again strengthened and revised.
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Postby Kenmoria » Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:21 pm

Saturna1ia wrote:Saturna1ians genuinely support the nature of this Resolution, but feel it does not go far enough. Specifically, the lack of a ban on animal testing for cosmetic research purposes (or at the very least a condemnation of the practice) and the lack of a section on the ethical use of animal cadavers used for studying veterinary medicine. Given this dilemma, Saturna1ia will not vote For or Against. If this Resolution fails, it our hope the issue will be taken up again strengthened and revised.

“How could one unethically use animal cadavers? If they are dead, there is nothing that can be done to make them feel pain. This proposal, in my opinion, hits the ideal level of strength.”
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Postby Saturna1ia » Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:44 pm

Kenmoria wrote:“How could one unethically use animal cadavers? If they are dead, there is nothing that can be done to make them feel pain. This proposal, in my opinion, hits the ideal level of strength.”


Not adhering to a professional code of conduct during procedures on the cadaver, lack of oversight by a certified veterinarian, and improper/unsafe storage and disposal of the cadaver.
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Postby Outboundstagnate » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:07 am

1b. A "test animal" as a sentient but not sapient animal in the custody of any research facility for scientific purposes


Assumes citizens are sapiens and excludes sapient animals such as orangutans that have legitimate testing purposes.

1c. "Ethical testing", and all derived terms, as testing carried out on an animal in a way that is not maliciously intended to cause severe distress or harm to the animal;


Does not define severe.

2. Establishes the World Assembly Board of Bioethics (WABB), which will be tasked with the following:

2a. Overseeing scientific experimentation in member states to ensure animal testing is being carried out ethically and in accordance with all relevant WA law;


Adds bureaucracy.

3. Dictates that member states must reasonably and proportionally penalise research labs upon receiving a report about unethical testing from the WABB;


Does not define reasonable.

4a. Report all procedures carried out on animals, and euthanisations in their custody to the WABB;


More bureaucracy.

5a. The animal is returned to the wild if it was captured from the wild, has a good chance of being returned to its natural habitat successfully, and if it poses no risk to the environment it is being released into, such as carrying diseases; or;


Re-introducing experimented animals into the wild could have consequences.

7. Prohibits the intentional killing of a test animal in a cruel manner, in addition to forbidding the killing of a former test animal before the viability of its adoption or release into the wild has been examined, and it has been found unsuitable for both.


Forbids intentionally killing animals which severely limits research into the toxicology of substances.

This is fatally flawed. It does too much in one are and too little in another area.
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