[DEFEATED] Commend Mikeswill (sweet 15!)

[Mikeswill]

A Dilemma of Ego versus Principles

Eons ago in NationStates years I stood alone in my objection over a new tool devised by the gamemakers to curtail the activities of Raiders. This tool, known as Liberation, overrode a Delegates ability to Password protect his Region by a vote of World Assembly members. As a Delegate of a Founderless Region I foresaw the potential danger of Liberations manipulated in such a manner as to serve a powerful elite. My stance was reviled by Defenders and applauded by Raiders who saw the hypocrisy of the mechanism. It placed me in a position of isolated neutrality, ostracized by the Defenders and yet a prized target of Raiders.

In 2011 I was Commended for then having served as WA Delegate for a recognizable length of time only to have the Commendation repealed by the aptly named A Mean Old Man. During the Repeal process I was quoted as follows:

“I was rather flattered and even altered our stance relative to the Security Council to accept the token of popularity emblematic of the Commendation.”

Nevertheless, the Repeal occurred further solidifying my position that the process is a popularity contest controlled by the powered elite devoid of merit.

As the years have continued a plethora of Resolutions in both the WA Assembly and the Security Council have shown the far reaching arm of the powered elite in their ability to immediately Repeal almost any Resolution not authored by themselves. The Pacifics alone control 2,821 voted while the Sinkers tally another 971. Combined they can determine the success or failure of any resolution regardless the merit. Thus, I continued to stand alone against the Farce that is the Security Council.

Now comes Jocospor who writes a new Commendation that embodies my accomplishment in such a manner that by voting “For” a Nation recognizes a Commendable achievement despite my Anti-Security Council stance, versus voting “Against” which denies said achievement and proving the farce that is the Security Council.

In a group I belong to there is a statement, “principals over personalities”. On the one hand the principal that the Security Council, via the Liberation Resolution power, is abhorred in principal. On the other hand, the personality that is Mikeswill, who has logged onto NationStates for nearly 17 years, the last 15 as WA Delegate, egotistically deserves recognition by the game he has dedicated so much time.

And so it goes.

[Jocospor]

A Dilemma of Ego versus Principles

Eons ago in NationStates years I stood alone in my objection over a new tool devised by the gamemakers to curtail the activities of Raiders. This tool, known as Liberation, overrode a Delegates ability to Password protect his Region by a vote of World Assembly members. As a Delegate of a Founderless Region I foresaw the potential danger of Liberations manipulated in such a manner as to serve a powerful elite. My stance was reviled by Defenders and applauded by Raiders who saw the hypocrisy of the mechanism. It placed me in a position of isolated neutrality, ostracized by the Defenders and yet a prized target of Raiders.

In 2011 I was Commended for then having served as WA Delegate for a recognizable length of time only to have the Commendation repealed by the aptly named A Mean Old Man. During the Repeal process I was quoted as follows:

“I was rather flattered and even altered our stance relative to the Security Council to accept the token of popularity emblematic of the Commendation.”

Nevertheless, the Repeal occurred further solidifying my position that the process is a popularity contest controlled by the powered elite devoid of merit.

As the years have continued a plethora of Resolutions in both the Wa Assembly and the Security Council have shown the far reaching arm of the powered elite in their ability to immediately Reapel almost any Resolution not authored by themselves. The Pacifics alone control 2,821 voted while the Sinkers tally another 971. Combined they can determine the success or failure of any resolution regardless the merit. Thus, I continued to stand alone against the Farce that is the Security Council.

Now comes Jocospor who writes a new Commendation that embodies my accomplishment in such a manner that by voting “For” a Nation recognizes a Commendable achievement despite my Anti-Security Council stance, versus voting “Against” which denies said achievement and proving the farce that is the Security Council.

In a group I belong to there is a statement, “principals over personalities”. On the one hand the principal that the Security Council, via the Liberation Resolution power, is abhorred in principal. On the other hand, the personality that is Mikeswill, who has logged onto NationStates for nearly 17 years, the last 15 as WA Delegate, egotistically deserves recognition by the game he has dedicated so much time.

And so it goes.

*the Delegate's Office can't hold back its tears any longer* That...that was beautiful.

Nations. Here is an admission. An admission that the nation of Mikeswill is, at a personal level, not opposed to receiving this commendation. We sincerely hope that all of this Security Council carefully read the above. Those words are powerful, truthful and raw.

[Attempted Socialism]

*the Delegate's Office can't hold back its tears any longer* That...that was beautiful.

Nations. Here is an admission. An admission that the nation of Mikeswill is, at a personal level, not opposed to receiving this commendation. We sincerely hope that all of this Security Council carefully read the above. Those words are powerful, truthful and raw.

You're clearly not illiterate, so I'm guessing you deliberately ignore the "principles over personalities" part?

The subject of a commendation is also not the only thing to consider. The quality of said commendation and the character of the author must be taken into account. No subject of a commendation can counterbalance you as the author.

Edit: Removed the massive quote as it doesn't need repetition thrice on the same page.

[The New California Republic]

A Dilemma of Ego versus Principles

Eons ago in NationStates years I stood alone in my objection over a new tool devised by the gamemakers to curtail the activities of Raiders. This tool, known as Liberation, overrode a Delegates ability to Password protect his Region by a vote of World Assembly members. As a Delegate of a Founderless Region I foresaw the potential danger of Liberations manipulated in such a manner as to serve a powerful elite. My stance was reviled by Defenders and applauded by Raiders who saw the hypocrisy of the mechanism. It placed me in a position of isolated neutrality, ostracized by the Defenders and yet a prized target of Raiders.

In 2011 I was Commended for then having served as WA Delegate for a recognizable length of time only to have the Commendation repealed by the aptly named A Mean Old Man. During the Repeal process I was quoted as follows:

“I was rather flattered and even altered our stance relative to the Security Council to accept the token of popularity emblematic of the Commendation.”

Nevertheless, the Repeal occurred further solidifying my position that the process is a popularity contest controlled by the powered elite devoid of merit.

As the years have continued a plethora of Resolutions in both the Wa Assembly and the Security Council have shown the far reaching arm of the powered elite in their ability to immediately Reapel almost any Resolution not authored by themselves. The Pacifics alone control 2,821 voted while the Sinkers tally another 971. Combined they can determine the success or failure of any resolution regardless the merit. Thus, I continued to stand alone against the Farce that is the Security Council.

Now comes Jocospor who writes a new Commendation that embodies my accomplishment in such a manner that by voting “For” a Nation recognizes a Commendable achievement despite my Anti-Security Council stance, versus voting “Against” which denies said achievement and proving the farce that is the Security Council.

In a group I belong to there is a statement, “principals over personalities”. On the one hand the principal that the Security Council, via the Liberation Resolution power, is abhorred in principal. On the other hand, the personality that is Mikeswill, who has logged onto NationStates for nearly 17 years, the last 15 as WA Delegate, egotistically deserves recognition by the game he has dedicated so much time.

And so it goes.

*the Delegate's Office can't hold back its tears any longer* That...that was beautiful.

Nations. Here is an admission. An admission that the nation of Mikeswill is, at a personal level, not opposed to receiving this commendation. We sincerely hope that all of this Security Council carefully read the above. Those words are powerful, truthful and raw.

You need to read the statement again, instead of zoning out halfway through, as it states that Mikeswill is against this.

[WayNeacTia]

The subject of a commendation is also not the only thing to consider. The quality of said commendation and the character of the author must be taken into account. No subject of a commendation can counterbalance you as the author.

1. If The Black Riders reformed, invaded Haven, started tearing it apart and Joco wrote the liberation, it would still fail.

2. Mike's words are powerful. I am going to take the stance that if you are that adamant against the council, there is no way it should award you a badge. As Mike has said himself "They are nothing but a popularity contest." That does not take away from Mike's accomplishments in any way though, and they will at least be immortalized in this thread.

3. As for you Joco, I would hope that you might learn something from this. I suppose I will have to learn to cope with being disappointed.

[MineLegotia and Equestria]

*the Delegate's Office can't hold back its tears any longer* That...that was beautiful.

Nations. Here is an admission. An admission that the nation of Mikeswill is, at a personal level, not opposed to receiving this commendation. We sincerely hope that all of this Security Council carefully read the above. Those words are powerful, truthful and raw.

You need to read the statement again, instead of zoning out halfway through, as it states that Mikeswill is against this.

No, it does not.
Because whatever happens, Mikeswill wins in the end.

If the vote suddenly goes to 'For', he gets a fancy badge. And so does Jocospor.
If the vote stays as it is, he proves his point that "the process is a popularity contest controlled by the powered elite devoid of merit.", " their ability to immediately Repeal almost any Resolution not authored by themselves.", and "proving the farce that is the Security Council."

Like i said, either way, Mikeswill wins. All the cards are in his hands. One result just so happens to benefit Jocospor. And the rest all mainly proves his and his own points

[WayNeacTia]

If the vote suddenly goes to 'For', he gets a fancy badge. And so does Jocospor.
If the vote stays as it is, he proves his point that "the process is a popularity contest controlled by the powered elite devoid of merit.", " their ability to immediately Repeal almost any Resolution not authored by themselves.", and "proving the farce that is the Security Council."

Like i said, either way, Mikeswill wins. All the cards are in his hands. One result just so happens to benefit Jocospor. And the rest all mainly proves his and his own points

Mike will just have to take one for the team then. If anyone else wrote this, I might be swayed by Mike's words.

[Xoriet]

If the vote stays as it is, he proves his point that "the process is a popularity contest controlled by the powered elite devoid of merit.s

If the author wasn't a fascist sympathizer, I would support a good proposal for Mikeswill. I don't consider supporting people who enable their fascist natives to be a palatable option for The Pacific, which stands staunchly against fascism in all forms, including fascist sympathy.

[MineLegotia and Equestria]

If the vote suddenly goes to 'For', he gets a fancy badge. And so does Jocospor.
If the vote stays as it is, he proves his point that "the process is a popularity contest controlled by the powered elite devoid of merit.", " their ability to immediately Repeal almost any Resolution not authored by themselves.", and "proving the farce that is the Security Council."

Like i said, either way, Mikeswill wins. All the cards are in his hands. One result just so happens to benefit Jocospor. And the rest all mainly proves his and his own points

Mike will just have to take one for the team then. If anyone else wrote this, I might be swayed by Mike's words.

Like i said, either way he wins. He either gets a shiny badge, or he proves his point that the WA is guided by a small group of elites who'll shoot down anything not written by them.

If the vote stays as it is, he proves his point that "the process is a popularity contest controlled by the powered elite devoid of merit.s

If the author wasn't a fascist sympathizer, I would support a good proposal for Mikeswill. I don't consider supporting people who enable their fascist natives to be a palatable option for The Pacific, which stands staunchly against fascism in all forms, including fascist sympathy.

Nice seeing that Person over Principles thing you doing there! And i didn't know fascist sympathy is illegal in the Pacific? Wonder what that implies?

But still, sad that you don't one to support a good thing just because the person proposing it roleplays as a belief you disagree.

[Xoriet]

Nice seeing that Person over Principles thing you doing there! And i didn't know fascist sympathy is illegal in the Pacific? Wonder what that implies?

But still, sad that you don't one to support a good thing just because the person proposing it roleplays as a belief you disagree.

If the ideology was anything but fascism, and the region had no affiliation with it, we wouldn't have a problem here. As for your claims, the SC can be as much of a popularity contest as any democratic body, yes. Jocospor happens to fall into the category of "untouchable" for most of us because of what he allows. It's a shame that Mikeswill is denied a badge at the present because of the author. Normally I will set aside who the author is if the proposal is worthy, but fascists are that single group I make no allowance for. Most of us who voted against feel that same way.

Sorry Mike, but with this specific author we can't support the proposal.

[MineLegotia and Equestria]

Nice seeing that Person over Principles thing you doing there! And i didn't know fascist sympathy is illegal in the Pacific? Wonder what that implies?

But still, sad that you don't one to support a good thing just because the person proposing it roleplays as a belief you disagree.

If the ideology was anything but fascism, and the region had no affiliation with it, we wouldn't have a problem here. As for your claims, the SC can be as much of a popularity contest as any democratic body, yes. Jocospor happens to fall into the category of "untouchable" for most of us because of what he allows. It's a shame that Mikeswill is denied a badge at the present because of the author. Normally I will set aside who the author is if the proposal is worthy, but fascists are that single group I make no allowance for. Most of us who voted against feel that same way.

Sorry Mike, but with this specific author we can't support the proposal.

Well isn't that a bit of a bummer you don't want to support someone just because they roleplay as that one specific ideology you don't like! And really, only the fascists you will make no allowance for? Is that bias i hear? Or is that just personal prefrence? Either way, Mikeswill stills wins in the end. Afterall, the WA is just an organization led by a corrupt elite that only lets their friends to do anything! And if you aren't friends with them, too bad!

And wow! "but with this specific author we can't support the proposal" is that proof of the corrupt elite in control of the World Assembly?

[Xoriet]

And wow! "but with this specific author we can't support the proposal" is that proof of the corrupt elite in control of the World Assembly?

I think I'm able to speak for my own region on this topic. I don't speak for this supposed "WA elite" body.

[MineLegotia and Equestria]

And wow! "but with this specific author we can't support the proposal" is that proof of the corrupt elite in control of the World Assembly?

I think I'm able to speak for my own region on this topic. I don't speak for this supposed "WA elite" body.

Yet you follow them in their steps... We better stop this conversation, this may count as derailing.

[WayNeacTia]

Well isn't that a bit of a bummer you don't want to support someone just because they roleplay as that one specific ideology you don't like! And really, only the fascists you will make no allowance for? Is that bias i hear?

Okay then, let us cut the shit and boil this down to what it really comes down to shall we? Joco likes to showboat and waste peoples time. The fact that he went as far as to buy quorum for a very shitty self aggrandizing commendation of your region, in a very obvious badge hunt pretty much tells the tale here. For that he has been effectively blacklisted from the Security Council. People can justify it anyway they like I suppose, but this is the meat of why he will never pass a resolution.

[Wymondham]

Rain falls, sun shines, Joco tries desperately to get a badge.
Why am I not surprised?
Good to see this getting stomped

[MineLegotia and Equestria]

Well isn't that a bit of a bummer you don't want to support someone just because they roleplay as that one specific ideology you don't like! And really, only the fascists you will make no allowance for? Is that bias i hear?

Okay then, let us cut the shit and boil this down to what it really comes down to shall we? Joco likes to showboat and waste peoples time. The fact that he went as far as to buy quorum for a very shitty self aggrandizing commendation of your region, in a very obvious badge hunt pretty much tells the tale here. For that he has been effectively blacklisted from the Security Council. People can justify it anyway they like I suppose, but this is the meat of why he will never pass a resolution.

The Internet is Serious Business, i suppose.

[Regna Loreau]

*the Delegate's Office can't hold back its tears any longer* That...that was beautiful.

Nations. Here is an admission. An admission that the nation of Mikeswill is, at a personal level, not opposed to receiving this commendation. We sincerely hope that all of this Security Council carefully read the above. Those words are powerful, truthful and raw.

You're clearly not illiterate, so I'm guessing you deliberately ignore the "principles over personalities" part?

The subject of a commendation is also not the only thing to consider. The quality of said commendation and the character of the author must be taken into account. No subject of a commendation can counterbalance you as the author.

Edit: Removed the massive quote as it doesn't need repetition thrice on the same page.

The Character of the Author? Would that be in the objective or subjective?

And furthermore, do you mean the Character of the author, or the political ideologies of the Authors nation, the Authors region or indeed the perceived political stance of the Author themselves. Because, surprise surprise, you don't see much logical reasoning placed behind the blocking of motions put forward by authoritarian regimes, but heaven forbid such scrutiny is placed on someone of the one line SC proposals written by the big democratic delegates.

But what do I know

I just happen to be in a region with a founder nobody likes for his perceived political views

[Kaboomlandia]

Knock off the ad hominem insults, please.

(OOC: Ad hominem really turning out to be the focal point of all this!)

Literally no one else was resorting to personal attacks except for this one dude. Try again.

[Lord Dominator]

I think I'm able to speak for my own region on this topic. I don't speak for this supposed "WA elite" body.

Yet you follow them in their steps... We better stop this conversation, this may count as derailing.

Activities of the so-called 'Elite' almost always tend to come from natural agreement, either argued or not, not nefarious plotting in a backroom.

[United States of Americanas]

Mike hates the SC. Don't do this. Stop badge hunting, Joc.

Voted against. And Joc, seriously you’re asking for me to write a condemnation up for you soon!

STOP IT!

If I could leave the SC without leaving the WA I would. The SC is bloody pointless. Either it’s asskissing or it’s uncalled for attack on a nation. And then there’s the rare time where it’s actually warranted.

This is a time where it might be warranted but the target nation doesn’t want it.

Nevermind the fact that this whole thing is written about him as a person rather than his nation, so I’m not sure if this is even a legal document. How the SC let this rubbish come to vote baffles me.

As for you Joc, I see anything with your name on it and I am going to vote against it, frikken badge hunter!

[Kaboomlandia]

You're clearly not illiterate, so I'm guessing you deliberately ignore the "principles over personalities" part?

The subject of a commendation is also not the only thing to consider. The quality of said commendation and the character of the author must be taken into account. No subject of a commendation can counterbalance you as the author.

Edit: Removed the massive quote as it doesn't need repetition thrice on the same page.

The Character of the Author? Would that be in the objective or subjective?

And furthermore, do you mean the Character of the author, or the political ideologies of the Authors nation, the Authors region or indeed the perceived political stance of the Author themselves. Because, surprise surprise, you don't see much logical reasoning placed behind the blocking of motions put forward by authoritarian regimes, but heaven forbid such scrutiny is placed on someone of the one line SC proposals written by the big democratic delegates.

But what do I know

I just happen to be in a region with a founder nobody likes for his perceived political views

The big SC names didn’t get where they are because of a conspiracy, they got there by writing good resolutions, writing resolutions that actually need to exist, and collaborating with others and taking criticism. And even then those proposals still sometimes fail.

This proposal isn’t good, isn’t necessary, and wasn’t drafted. It doesn’t check any of the boxes. Your hate against “the big democratic delegates” is misguided.

[Armaros]

I think I'm able to speak for my own region on this topic. I don't speak for this supposed "WA elite" body.

Yet you follow them in their steps... We better stop this conversation, this may count as derailing.

I think the term you're looking for here is "united against shitty proposals by authors we all dislike for several reasons" rather then "WA elite". I guess it is the easiest to blame this mythical "WA elite" rather then accept the fact that no one wants your shitty badge hunting attempts. Classic CCD.

[Jocospor]

OOC:

(OOC: Ad hominem really turning out to be the focal point of all this!)

Literally no one else was resorting to personal attacks except for this one dude. Try again.

Sigh. My first proposal of the draft was declared illegal because I used "ad hominem." Scroll up.

Here's a great example of someone firing off unnecessarily. Everyone should just cut the snide remarks and return to objectivity.

If the vote stays as it is, he proves his point that "the process is a popularity contest controlled by the powered elite devoid of merit.s

If the author wasn't a fascist sympathizer, I would support a good proposal for Mikeswill. I don't consider supporting people who enable their fascist natives to be a palatable option for The Pacific, which stands staunchly against fascism in all forms, including fascist sympathy.

If that's an IC opinion on me, the nation, fine. If it's an OOC opinion on me, the player, I've clarified fucking multiple times that it's extremely far from the truth.

[Cormactopia Prime]

I see I was mistaken about Mikeswill not wanting the commendation. I was planning to still vote against this because a Regional Officer in NationStates had engaged in petty embassy closures over it, but it looks like that person went a bit rogue, as Mikeswill has cancelled the embassy closures in question.

I've switched my vote to being for this, not that it will matter. To those voting against it, if you're voting against it because you think it's hypocritical to give Mikeswill a commendation based on his opposition to the Security Council, I think that's valid -- though I disagree. If, on the other hand, you are voting against it because Jocospor is the author, I have argued in the recent past we shouldn't oppose General Assembly proposals based exclusively on their authorship, and I have to insist on a similar standard in the Security Council. The petty personalization that is spreading from gameplay and now infecting other parts of this game desperately needs to be rolled back. I don't care that Jocospor is the author. The proposal is decent enough to pass, and considerations about its authorship alone really shouldn't factor into it. Let's stop with all this personalized crap.

Elites voting based on authorship and the author not being part of the gameplay in-crowd are, ironically, validating everything both Mikeswill and Jocospor have always said about the Security Council, and everything lots of people are saying about gameplay these days. Congratulations for that, I guess.

[East Meranopirus]

TLDR of Mike's statement: The SC is a meaningless popularity contest controlled by an elite group that I cannot name, unless it votes to commend me, then it's awesome because I totally deserve it, and if it doesn't then it's just a meaningless popularity contest even though I'm taking part in that popularity contest right now.