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OOC: Bump - submitting in four days or so, so last minute feedback would be very helpful.

OOC: This has been submitted.

Maowi wrote:OOC: This has been submitted.

"non-legally competent peope?"

Tinhampton wrote:

Maowi wrote:OOC: This has been submitted.

"non-legally competent peope?"

OOC: Like its use in clause 1 of Ban on Sterilisation of Minors Etc., that's supposed to include anyone without the full ability to independently make rational decisions.

Maowi wrote:

Tinhampton wrote:"non-legally competent peope?"

OOC: Like its use in clause 1 of Ban on Sterilisation of Minors Etc., that's supposed to include anyone without the full ability to independently make rational decisions.

I meant to say that you had a spelling error there. Ditto "overseeeing" with three Es.

Tinhampton wrote:I meant to say that you had a spelling error there. Ditto "overseeeing" with three Es.

Ugghhh that's what I get for apparently not proofreading properly. Thanks for pointing that out though.

I don't think that should cause problems in terms of actual policy effects if it passes though ... I'd be reluctant to withdraw, as I've already been campaigning.

This is now at vote.

Maowi wrote:I don't think that should cause problems in terms of actual policy effects

OOC: Mis-spellings are a proper reason for repeals, at least...

"Adamant that forced sterilisation as a punishment for sexual offenders is both purposeless and immoral, given the severe and long-term depression and anxiety it often causes;"

I support every provision of the bill except this. It is my nation's opinion that sexual offenders are deserving of forced sterilization.

Camellias wrote:"Adamant that forced sterilisation as a punishment for sexual offenders is both purposeless and immoral, given the severe and long-term depression and anxiety it often causes;"

I support every provision of the bill except this. It is my nation's opinion that sexual offenders are deserving of forced sterilization.

"Agreed. The victims of many sex offenders are subject to long-term depression and anxiety, along with other mental and physical health issues, which is not by their choice. The law should not be so forgiving to those who choose to inflict immense harm on innocents with such disregard. Forced sterilization or castration seems like the appropriate punishment for the most severe crimes of this category. I cannot in good conscience support the resolution. I do applaud the measures that prevent the targeting of minorities, but the provision against criminal punishment poisons the well."

- King Cynbal IV

Camellias wrote:"Adamant that forced sterilisation as a punishment for sexual offenders is both purposeless and immoral, given the severe and long-term depression and anxiety it often causes;"

I support every provision of the bill except this. It is my nation's opinion that sexual offenders are deserving of forced sterilization.

Alba and Cymru wrote:

Camellias wrote:"Adamant that forced sterilisation as a punishment for sexual offenders is both purposeless and immoral, given the severe and long-term depression and anxiety it often causes;"

I support every provision of the bill except this. It is my nation's opinion that sexual offenders are deserving of forced sterilization.

"Agreed. The victims of many sex offenders are subject to long-term depression and anxiety, along with other mental and physical health issues, which is not by their choice. The law should not be so forgiving to those who choose to inflict immense harm on innocents with such disregard. Forced sterilization or castration seems like the appropriate punishment for the most severe crimes of this category. I cannot in good conscience support the resolution. I do applaud the measures that prevent the targeting of minorities, but the provision against criminal punishment poisons the well."

- King Cynbal IV

OOC: Oh dear... not this again...

"Sterilising sexual offenders neither undoes their past offences, nor does it prevent future ones. It is a cruel and useless punishment that in no way contributes to any sort of rehabilitation of the offender or to the protection of society from the offender."

Araraukar wrote:

Maowi wrote:I don't think that should cause problems in terms of actual policy effects

OOC: Mis-spellings are a proper reason for repeals, at least...

OOC: *quakes in fear*

this is getting close to eugenics, we need to stop this.

Greetings from Saint Chuck,

Never will we allow outside forces to control what we do with our peoples bodies!

If we were to vote yes on this we would be expressing a counter argument to a central tenant of our civic planning, that of Beatnik control. For if we are not allowed to Spay and Neuter the beatniks how we will be able to keep them from infecting every aspect of our glorious society.

We won't even discuss the Just punishment for our rule breakers! Everyone knows if you allow rules to be broken it eventually leads to a life of beatnikking. Once they get the Jazz and coffee in them it always leads to more crime and less productivity.

Saint Chuck will be voting NO! We welcome any Nation that wishes to reserve the right to control the bodies of their citizens to join us in voting NO.

Saint Chuck
Communications Director
Sir Gaius Hugh

Ter Ando wrote:this is getting close to eugenics, we need to stop this.

"I'm not sure you quite understand what that word means."

"Auze supports. Even we don't sterilize people, and we feed used to feed diplomats of opposing nations to polar bears."

Some people deserve to be castrated.

Ave Gloriana wrote:Some people deserve to be castrated.

"Who?"

Camellias wrote:"Adamant that forced sterilisation as a punishment for sexual offenders is both purposeless and immoral, given the severe and long-term depression and anxiety it often causes;"

I support every provision of the bill except this. It is my nation's opinion that sexual offenders are deserving of forced sterilization.

He raped 20 children, but we don't want him to get all depressed about it!

Opposed.

Morover wrote:

Ave Gloriana wrote:Some people deserve to be castrated.

"Who?"

How about rapists and kiddie f---ers?

And we don't mean chemical. Their nuts are coming off!

Ave Gloriana wrote:

Morover wrote:"Who?"

How about rapists and kiddie f---ers?

And we don't mean chemical. Their nuts are coming off!

"This strikes me as violative of at least two WA resolutions, ambassador."

Ave Gloriana wrote:

Morover wrote:"Who?"

How about rapists and kiddie f---ers?

And we don't mean chemical. Their nuts are coming off!

"As much as you may like to believe that sterilisation stops molesters from reoffending, you'd be mistaken, and it's a travesty that you think otherwise."

Morover wrote:"As much as you may like to believe that sterilisation stops molesters from reoffending, you'd be mistaken, and it's a travesty that you think otherwise."

I agree. I have not seen any conclusion that use of sterilization on sex offenders will prevent them from committing the offense again.

Morover wrote:

Ave Gloriana wrote:
How about rapists and kiddie f---ers?

And we don't mean chemical. Their nuts are coming off!

"As much as you may like to believe that sterilisation stops molesters from reoffending, you'd be mistaken, and it's a travesty that you think otherwise."

It doesn't matter if it stops them. It is done because that is what such scum deserve.

Regardless, we oppose this pro-rapist resolution.