[Defeated] Repeal "Reproductive Freedoms"

[Prydania]

For.

The World Assembly should not legislate in such a radical, far-reaching way. Aside from Canade's belief that abortion is unnecessary and that the financial and social support of the mother should be pursued instead, member states should have the right to rule on this issue as they see fit within their own jurisdiction.

"Governments that wish to have free reign over their own affairs without WA oversight are free to leave the WA, Ambassador."

[Outer Sparta]

Voting against. Don't see enough in this repeal to overturn said legislation.

[The New California Republic]

For.

The World Assembly should not legislate in such a radical, far-reaching way. Aside from Canade's belief that abortion is unnecessary and that the financial and social support of the mother should be pursued instead, member states should have the right to rule on this issue as they see fit within their own jurisdiction.

You can leave, it's an option if NatSov is that important. Membership here is optional.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

For.

The World Assembly should not legislate in such a radical, far-reaching way. Aside from Canade's belief that abortion is unnecessary and that the financial and social support of the mother should be pursued instead, member states should have the right to rule on this issue as they see fit within their own jurisdiction.

You can leave, it's an option if NatSov is that important. Membership here is optional.

And you can keep using that same cliched argument every time a sovereigntist designs to speak; they're not going to take your advice. Give it up already.

[The New California Republic]

You can leave, it's an option if NatSov is that important. Membership here is optional.

And you can keep using that same cliched argument every time a sovereigntist designs to speak; they're not going to take your advice. Give it up already.

And I will.

[Prydania]

Give it up already.

You could say the same thing to the people who keep trying to repeal Reproductive Freedoms.
You seem awfully specific in which sorts of repetitive behaviour you feel the need to call out.

[Separatist Peoples]

Give it up already.

You could say the same thing to the people who keep trying to repeal Reproductive Freedoms.
You seem awfully specific in which sorts of repetitive behaviour you feel the need to call out.

OOC: Kenny did already address that in his IC post. Give the man credit, he's ideologically consistent.

[Prydania]

You could say the same thing to the people who keep trying to repeal Reproductive Freedoms.
You seem awfully specific in which sorts of repetitive behaviour you feel the need to call out.

OOC: Kenny did already address that in his IC post. Give the man credit, he's ideologically consistent.

OOC: I'm a RP Mod in TNP. I read enough bad RP as it is, so I must have glazed over most of his post

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: Kenny did already address that in his IC post. Give the man credit, he's ideologically consistent.

OOC: I'm a RP Mod in TNP. I read enough bad RP as it is, so I must have glazed over most of his post

OOC: At his worst and most lazy, Kenny's RP is still a treat. I advise you make a point of reading it when you can.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Kenny's RP is a blast from the past in the best way: an example of what good freeform NSUN/WA RP used to look like. Always a treat.

[WayNeacTia]

You can leave, it's an option if NatSov is that important. Membership here is optional.

And you can keep using that same cliched argument every time a sovereigntist designs to speak; they're not going to take your advice. Give it up already.

I agree. Membership maybe optional, but people seem to forget the WA isn't some world government. It should only be legislating on matters of international importance. Abortion and circumcision are not really international issues imho.

[The New California Republic]

Abortion and circumcision are not really international issues imho.

Precedent seems to disagree.

[Prydania]

OOC: At his worst and most lazy, Kenny's RP is still a treat. I advise you make a point of reading it when you can.

OOC: I never got WA RP but to be fair? That's mainly a preference thing. And I'm behind on RPs I should be replying to in TNP anyway so...yeah.
If I get the time? Sure.

And you can keep using that same cliched argument every time a sovereigntist designs to speak; they're not going to take your advice. Give it up already.

I agree. Membership maybe optional, but people seem to forget the WA isn't some world government. It should only be legislating on matters of international importance. Abortion and circumcision are not really international issues imho.

The WA is whatever its membership decides it is.

The fact is that the disparity between the pro-life and pro-choice camps is so great that the pro-life camp's continued Sisyphian efforts are a waste of everyone's time- including their own.

The pro-life side says they need to compromise. Why should the pro-choice side compromise when they have such an overwhelming majority?

The pro-life side says that repealing Reproductive Freedoms is the only way to end the constant discussion around it- ignoring the fact that they are a vocal, tiny minority.

The pro-life side switches from argument to argument. Be it national sovereignty, to "abortion is wrong" to religious freedom to "sex should only be for procreation" to "but late term and sex-specific abortions!" It, as a faction, will do and say anything to try and get their fringe view a wider following.

All in all? I'm just sick of the pro-life side in this game. Not "IC," but OOC as well. They're a small, fringe minority. They purposefully pump themselves up to be bigger than they are to try and force an unneeded compromise or try and scare the WA into giving them what they want. When, in reality, they are so small in number that every attempt to repeal the targeted resolution falls apart like an egg splattering on a brick wall.

It isn't so much the constant repeal attempts that bother me. They all fail. It's the way the pro-life side carries itself. It's a small, fringe group of radicals who believe they have the literal G-d given right to impose their morality on a majority that wants nothing to do with them. Everything they do- from the calls for a compromise to the bluff that they'd just go away if everyone gave them what they'd want- is disingenuous.

[Kenmoria]

And you can keep using that same cliched argument every time a sovereigntist designs to speak; they're not going to take your advice. Give it up already.

I agree. Membership maybe optional, but people seem to forget the WA isn't some world government. It should only be legislating on matters of international importance. Abortion and circumcision are not really international issues imho.

(OOC: I don’t understand this point of opposition. An international issue is one that affects universal rights, or crosses national boundaries. Clearly, to either side, this covers universal rights. The pro-choice side holds the idea that bodily sovereignty is a universal right, and #286 uses this idea to create law guaranteeing the right to an abortion.

On the other hand, the pro-life side would argue that the right to life is a universal right, and would presumably either ban/restrict abortions or opt for a blocker, since they believe in the universal right of sovereignty. No matter which side one believes in, there are important principles at stake which are viewed as universal for all people.)

[Tinhampton]

Opposed, but thankful this got to vote along with (almost certainly) Access to Abortion.

[The Black Leaves]

Happy to go down with this ship. For.

[Heavens Reach]

All of the concerns expressed about the original bill under consideration can be addressed by putting to vote subsequent bills which specifically target the relevant grievances. There is no need to repeal the whole bill and end the international right to safe abortion access just because the bill is, ostensibly, not completely perfect (assuming that we grant that the aforementioned concerns represent flaws that need to be addressed). Either way, I'm against the repeal.

[The Palentine]

Oh goody, it seems damp rocks were overturned and so the most appalling people to have ever drawn breath have shown up to the Festering Snakepit once again. The cloying and nausiating smugness,moral superiority and self righteousness coming from both sides warms the very cockles of my blackened soul. It just goes to prove my point that all people are equally contemptable and nasty. Absolutely opposed to this repeal simply out of spite and malice. Don't get me wrong, I opposed Reproductive Freedoms when it was originally voted upon, and I think it's 200 lbs of steaming horseshit stuffed in a 100lb sack. However it serves a purpose in keeping more intrusive legislation at bay. Since I'm going to be here for this unpleasentness, I guess its time to makee myself useful. The bar's open. I've got Wild Turkey, Old Granddad, and Old Crow plus some 95 horsepower WV snakebite remedy. For beer there's Olde Frothingslosh, Iron City, and some Arrogant Bastard in case the Kennyites drop by.

the good but unwholesome Sen Sulla fixes himself a Wild Turkey on the Rocks from his minibar, then fires up a Fine Yeldan Cigar(TM) the size of a small kosher salami.

[Mylo-Xylo]

Abortion should be illegal unless the mom is at risk or in cases of rape/incest. However, if you foolishly choose to have intercourse and not wear protection, you do not get to end a life solely because you don't feel like it. If you don't want the child, put it up for adoption rather than killing it. There are plenty of families all across the world that would adopt these children. Life starts at conception, as any line you draw can be used on adults and children. You draw it at a heartbeat and say that's when something is living, then those with pacemakers that need it to stay alive aren't living. If you draw it at the first signs of brain activity, there are people that are brain dead and rely on life support equipment to keep them alive. In these two cases, the pacemaker and the life support or both similar in function to an umbilical cord as it keeps them all alive.

Mylo-Xylo is strongly for this, despite The East Pacific's regional delegate being against it.

[BlackLight Covenant]

OOC: so how many times are we gonna keep trying this until people realize that Reproductive Freedoms is up there with GAR#10 when it comes to being impossible to repeal? It feels like we're just playing the same broken record over and over again at this point, as this really ain't going anywhere.

[Mylo-Xylo]

OOC: so how many times are we gonna keep trying this until people realize that Reproductive Freedoms is up there with GAR#10 when it comes to being impossible to repeal? It feels like we're just playing the same broken record over and over again at this point, as this really ain't going anywhere.

This shouldn't be a WA issue in the first place. It's an attempt to silence the right. This should be an issue that each nations should choose to deal with as they please. The WA created this mess themselves.

[Xeknos]

OOC: so how many times are we gonna keep trying this until people realize that Reproductive Freedoms is up there with GAR#10 when it comes to being impossible to repeal? It feels like we're just playing the same broken record over and over again at this point, as this really ain't going anywhere.

OOC: As long as their invisible, pretend skyfriend tells them that "pro-life" means enslaving women, while conveniently ignoring the death penalty and pointless warfare, apparently.

[Wallenburg]

OOC: so how many times are we gonna keep trying this until people realize that Reproductive Freedoms is up there with GAR#10 when it comes to being impossible to repeal? It feels like we're just playing the same broken record over and over again at this point, as this really ain't going anywhere.

This shouldn't be a WA issue in the first place. It's an attempt to silence the right. This should be an issue that each nations should choose to deal with as they please. The WA created this mess themselves.

If the author of "Reproductive Freedoms" were trying to "silence the right", they did a real shit job going about it. We've spent the better part of a decade hearing them complain about it since then.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: so how many times are we gonna keep trying this until people realize that Reproductive Freedoms is up there with GAR#10 when it comes to being impossible to repeal? It feels like we're just playing the same broken record over and over again at this point, as this really ain't going anywhere.

This shouldn't be a WA issue in the first place. It's an attempt to silence the right. This should be an issue that each nations should choose to deal with as they please. The WA created this mess themselves.

"Ambassador, are you suggesting that engaging in the democratic process is an attempt to silence you? Despite the fact that you can still attempt repeals? Oh, yes, losing a vote is very much an act of silencing.

"Ambassador, lacking the votes to win is not being silenced. Its losing."

[Bear Connors Paradiso]

Abortion should be illegal unless the mom is at risk or in cases of rape/incest. However, if you foolishly choose to have intercourse and not wear protection, you do not get to end a life solely because you don't feel like it. If you don't want the child, put it up for adoption rather than killing it. There are plenty of families all across the world that would adopt these children. Life starts at conception, as any line you draw can be used on adults and children. You draw it at a heartbeat and say that's when something is living, then those with pacemakers that need it to stay alive aren't living. If you draw it at the first signs of brain activity, there are people that are brain dead and rely on life support equipment to keep them alive. In these two cases, the pacemaker and the life support or both similar in function to an umbilical cord as it keeps them all alive.

Mylo-Xylo is strongly for this, despite The East Pacific's regional delegate being against it.

The problem is that there isnt enough people who want to adopt, these kids are left to die after they're born, put into foster care and end up in prison. If you want to stop abortion, you've got to put up or shut up. Adopt these kids and show that life is wanted. Dont make babies suffer just because you think their parents are morally wrong.