[Defeated] Repeal "Reproductive Freedoms"

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

"Viable fetuses are as mature as many newborn babies. Why should they have no right to life? If this people support women's equality why do they defend the misogynistic abortionist. It is written that the girl child will ask for 'what sin was she slain?'"-Sultan Suleiman Khan

[Sierra Lyricalia]

The resolution states abortions "until birth", it's not just a clump of cells. This bill is ridiculous, nobody cares if you're pro-life or pro-choice as long as you don't enforce your ideas on others and claim moral superiority. I'm to a certain extent pro-choice but who am I to enforce that on others when it's a highly controversial issue that most of all, is personal. The WA is not a world government it should know its limits, and some people really need to step off their pedestals and mind their own business.

"Ambassador, I suggest a review of the dictionary - literally by definition, being 'pro-choice' means you favor permitting the citizens of your country to choose whether or not to carry their pregnancies to term. Under the current legal regime, with GAR #286 in place, nobody is being forced to do anything they do not wish to do."

"The most pernicious lie that the forced birth movement is spewing around is that constraining governments to give their people rights is somehow a violation of liberty - as though the national government were somehow a person deserving of the rights normally granted to citizens. This metastasization of the state is truly alarming."

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

The resolution states abortions "until birth", it's not just a clump of cells. This bill is ridiculous, nobody cares if you're pro-life or pro-choice as long as you don't enforce your ideas on others and claim moral superiority. I'm to a certain extent pro-choice but who am I to enforce that on others when it's a highly controversial issue that most of all, is personal. The WA is not a world government it should know its limits, and some people really need to step off their pedestals and mind their own business.

"Ambassador, I suggest a review of the dictionary - literally by definition, being 'pro-choice' means you favor permitting the citizens of your country to choose whether or not to carry their pregnancies to term. Under the current legal regime, with GAR #286 in place, nobody is being forced to do anything they do not wish to do."

"The most pernicious lie that the forced birth movement is spewing around is that constraining governments to give their people rights is somehow a violation of liberty - as though the national government were somehow a person deserving of the rights normally granted to citizens. This metastasization of the state is truly alarming."

"What about the rights of the viable fetus which is as developed as many newborns. Many WA member states have capital punishment for the murderers of newborns."-
Sultan Suleiman Khan

[Araraukar]

"What about the rights of the viable fetus which is as developed as many newborns. Many WA member states have capital punishment for the murderers of newborns."-
Sultan Suleiman Khan

"You should go back to school, ambassador. A newborn is not a newborn until it has been born! Also, capital punishment has been made very difficult to execute - no pun intended - by a separate resolution. You should probably be more concerned about that."

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

"What about the rights of the viable fetus which is as developed as many newborns. Many WA member states have capital punishment for the murderers of newborns."-
Sultan Suleiman Khan

"You should go back to school, ambassador. A newborn is not a newborn until it has been born! Also, capital punishment has been made very difficult to execute - no pun intended - by a separate resolution. You should probably be more concerned about that."

"There are two kinds of people in the world, those who read a full sentence..."

"Besides all I said is they are as developed. So how is it a human right to take their life?" -Sultan Suleiman Khan

[Aclion]

Funding. Members must pay for or provide directly abortions, abortifacients, and contraceptives requested by any recipient bona fide within their jurisdiction. Members must also provide a means to access such services and commodities speedily and free at the point of service or provision.

Suppose someone requests a googolplex of condoms?

[Sierra Lyricalia]

"Ambassador, I suggest a review of the dictionary - literally by definition, being 'pro-choice' means you favor permitting the citizens of your country to choose whether or not to carry their pregnancies to term. Under the current legal regime, with GAR #286 in place, nobody is being forced to do anything they do not wish to do."

"The most pernicious lie that the forced birth movement is spewing around is that constraining governments to give their people rights is somehow a violation of liberty - as though the national government were somehow a person deserving of the rights normally granted to citizens. This metastasization of the state is truly alarming."

"What about the rights of the viable fetus which is as developed as many newborns. Many WA member states have capital punishment for the murderers of newborns."

"Fetuses do not have rights, Mr. Sultan. Disregarding the moralizing for a moment, it couldn't be any other way. If fetuses were to be granted rights, it would become the legal duty of the criminal justice system to investigate every single woman suffering a miscarriage or any kind of pregnancy complication for criminal negligence or even assault. Birth certificates would of necessity be replaced by conception certificates, because only that way could the state keep track of necessary information."

"Regardless of people's feelings, the 'fetuses are people too!' argument is simply not a practical foundation for law."

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

"What about the rights of the viable fetus which is as developed as many newborns. Many WA member states have capital punishment for the murderers of newborns."

"Fetuses do not have rights, Mr. Sultan. Disregarding the moralizing for a moment, it couldn't be any other way. If fetuses were to be granted rights, it would become the legal duty of the criminal justice system to investigate every single woman suffering a miscarriage or any kind of pregnancy complication for criminal negligence or even assault. Birth certificates would of necessity be replaced by conception certificates, because only that way could the state keep track of necessary information."

"Regardless of people's feelings, the 'fetuses are people too!' argument is simply not a practical foundation for law."

"Where I'm from practicality plays the second violin to human life
He says.
Leaving the WA meeting in disgust.

[Separatist Peoples]

"Fetuses do not have rights, Mr. Sultan. Disregarding the moralizing for a moment, it couldn't be any other way. If fetuses were to be granted rights, it would become the legal duty of the criminal justice system to investigate every single woman suffering a miscarriage or any kind of pregnancy complication for criminal negligence or even assault. Birth certificates would of necessity be replaced by conception certificates, because only that way could the state keep track of necessary information."

"Regardless of people's feelings, the 'fetuses are people too!' argument is simply not a practical foundation for law."

"Where I'm from practicality plays the second violin to human life
He says.
Leaving the WA meeting in disgust.

Bell watches the new delegate stalk out.

"Well, I see a lot of pearl clutching, but no valuable arguments regarding conflicts of rights, or of the broader societal issues at play. If he doesn't come back, dibs on his office."

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

"Where I'm from practicality plays the second violin to human life
He says.
Leaving the WA meeting in disgust.

Bell watches the new delegate stalk out.

"Well, I see a lot of pearl clutching, but no valuable arguments regarding conflicts of rights, or of the broader societal issues at play. If he doesn't come back, dibs on his office."

OOC: on the next World Assembly debate his 2 year old son will inhabit his office.

[Separatist Peoples]

Your entire reason to repeal this bill is based on, at best, severe misunderstanding of what the Bill actually stands for. When people advocate for abortion we are not advocating for the murder of an already born infant, no matter the scenario. And, objectively speaking, abortion is literally just a medical procedure. It's the removal of a small clump of cells in a person's - because not JUST women can get pregnant, but that's a topic for another time - body. So long as the fetus is still within the parent's body, the parent has full control of what to do with it. I vote against this repeal.

The resolution states abortions "until birth", it's not just a clump of cells. This bill is ridiculous, nobody cares if you're pro-life or pro-choice as long as you don't enforce your ideas on others and claim moral superiority. I'm to a certain extent pro-choice but who am I to enforce that on others when it's a highly controversial issue that most of all, is personal. The WA is not a world government it should know its limits, and some people really need to step off their pedestals and mind their own business.

"The World Assembly is a loose confederation of nations bound voluntarily by the agreement to abide by the results of a vote, ambassador. Which your side lost. If you want to do as you please, the World Assembly is a bad choice for your government."

[Separatist Peoples]

Bell watches the new delegate stalk out.

"Well, I see a lot of pearl clutching, but no valuable arguments regarding conflicts of rights, or of the broader societal issues at play. If he doesn't come back, dibs on his office."

OOC: on the next World Assembly debate his 2 year old son will inhabit his office.

Ooc: I'm positive there is a resolution banning this.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

OOC: on the next World Assembly debate his 2 year old son will inhabit his office.

Ooc: I'm positive there is a resolution banning this.

OOC: which one?

[Araraukar]

OOC: on the next World Assembly debate his 2 year old son will inhabit his office.

OOC: Fairly sure said son would be - if left actually alone and unguarded - found in the WAHQ daycare center, with the office reclaimed by another delegation.

OOC: which one?

OOC: Likely Child Abuse Ban - leaving a too-young-to-take-care-of-themselves child alone would likely be criminal neglect. Especially as WAHQ is not their home.

[New Spiedska]

Ambassador Riley Glasio of New Spiedska groans, as she didn't believe such a ridiculous proposal would even meet quorum.

"Now, my fellow ambassadors, I am going to ask a question. Why? Why even deny women the right to their own bodies? Of course, a lot of nations present here are... regressive, to say the least, when it comes to basic rights to a certain sector of their population. New Spiedska can't expect women being respected and their rights guaranteed in patriarchal societies, but I am disheartened at the fact this even met quorum for some reason. Of course, New Spiedska will unequivocally vote against this repeal."

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

OOC: on the next World Assembly debate his 2 year old son will inhabit his office.

OOC: Fairly sure said son would be - if left actually alone and unguarded - found in the WAHQ daycare center, with the office reclaimed by another delegation.

OOC: He would not be unguarded and alone.
He would be guarded by 2 Royal Guards and his mother would also attend.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

OOC: on the next World Assembly debate his 2 year old son will inhabit his office.

OOC: Fairly sure said son would be - if left actually alone and unguarded - found in the WAHQ daycare center, with the office reclaimed by another delegation.

OOC: which one?

OOC: Likely Child Abuse Ban - leaving a too-young-to-take-care-of-themselves child alone would likely be criminal neglect. Especially as WAHQ is not their home.

OOC: he wouldn't be left alone.

[Araraukar]

OOC: on the next World Assembly debate his 2 year old son will inhabit his office.

OOC: He would not be unguarded and alone.
He would be guarded by 2 Royal Guards and his mother would also attend.

OOC: So the office would be inhabited by 2 royal guards, your guy's wife and the son would just be there with his mom. Or do you honestly not count a woman and two servants (the guards) as people??? Because that's how you make it sound.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

OOC: He would not be unguarded and alone.
He would be guarded by 2 Royal Guards and his mother would also attend.

OOC: So the office would be inhabited by 2 royal guards, your guy's wife and the son would just be there with his mom. Or do you honestly not count a woman and two servants (the guards) as people??? Because that's how you make it sound.

OOC: they are people just not the ambassador.
They would be honoured support but have no direct role in the process.
They're role is, no less but also no more, to care for the ambassador.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

OOC: How is this relevant to the repeal?

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

OOC: How is this relevant to the repeal?

OOC: The purpose of this "ambassador" 's choice is to insult the World Assembly.
He will probably say "well it's not entirely age appropriate since the World Assembly is for babies."

[Araraukar]

OOC: they are people just not the ambassador.

OOC: Neither is the 2-yo.

But your character already left the debate chamber. Let it go, or address the topic at hand OOCly.

[SimTropican]

There hasn't been an attempt at a repeal this year, so I thought I'd try my luck this time.

I present to you, the longest repeal of #286, that includes almost every argument used in previous repeals!

Repeal "Reproductive Freedoms"
Category: Repeal | Proposed by: Germany

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The World Assembly,

Applauding the efforts of the resolution GA#286 to protect the right to access abortion;

Noting that this resolution allows abortion on demand, disregarding the potential for sex-selective abortion, a practice that harms the gender balance and creates societal problems such as; low marriage rates and low birth rates; and other discriminatory reasons for abortion such as disability and skin colour, reasons that this assembly is attempting to eradicate;

Observing that the target resolution mandates the legalisation of abortion on demand up until birth, a stance which is radical and needlessly divisive,

Understanding that numerous member states have legitimate ethical concerns regarding the unconditional legality of abortions after fetal viability, especially when alternatives such as adoption are readily available;

Frustrated that the term "termination of pregnancy" forces member nations to legalize Dilation and Extraction procedures, for example, commonly known as partial-birth abortions, procedures in which a living and viable feotus is destroyed despite it being able to experience pain in late term pregnancy;

Disgusted because GA#286 "recognises that the termination of pregnancy is a medical procedure," it permits member nations to require parental consent for any abortion procedure performed on a minor or a mentally disabled person, as per the mandates of GA#29, thus hampering the ability of the minor or mentally disabled adult to access abortion, in case their parent or guardian refuses to allow them to undergo an abortion;

Cognisant that because "termination of pregnancy" is a medical procedure, it is therefore protected by resolutions such as GA#29 in emergency cases, as GA#29 states "Patients have the right to emergency medical treatment under circumstances requiring lifesaving procedures", which means that termination of pregnancy must be legalised in life threatening cases;

Acknowledging the resolution GA#128, which allows abortion in cases of extreme disability, rape or incest, and in life threatening conditions;

Aware that the radical approach of the target resolution has only caused division within this assembly, including 5 defeated repeal attempts and dozens of attempted repeal proposals by numerous ambassadors from different nations, and has led to many nations choosing to leave the assembly, thus reducing its power;

Concerned with the many flaws present in the resolution, which should be replaced by a better version that handles the issue in a manner that guarantees the right to abortion whilst placing reasonable restrictions that prevent abuse such as the example mentioned above;

Hereby,

Repeals General Assembly Resolution number 286, titled "Reproductive Freedoms".

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Naturally SimTropican Fully supports this legislation, All abortions are illegal in ST and will remain fully illegal since the unborn have the full right to life.

We're not members of the WA cult but keep an eye on it to mock at with other non-members. It are bills like this that are the exact reason a lot of us refuse to join and as long as a lot of your semi-international policies are in place 2/3 of all NS will remain outside it and fully exempt from all it's laws and polices.

Really if this fails it'll prove 2 things, the WA will continue with it's stupid laws meaning having people join will be tough, and second that the WA doesn't really have any authority or enforcement since any time a member doesn't like a bill they can simply leave and no longer have to follow any WA laws they don't like. Since being a member is optional and non-membership has more benefits with less legal obligation it's no wonder 2/3 rejects the WA

Maybe if this fails and other are repealed it'll appear the WA is heading the right direction. Policy on abortion should remain up to each individual nation and not try to pretend it can be forced down from the WA.

[New Spiedska]

There hasn't been an attempt at a repeal this year, so I thought I'd try my luck this time.

I present to you, the longest repeal of #286, that includes almost every argument used in previous repeals!

Repeal "Reproductive Freedoms"
Category: Repeal | Proposed by: Germany

---

The World Assembly,

Applauding the efforts of the resolution GA#286 to protect the right to access abortion;

Noting that this resolution allows abortion on demand, disregarding the potential for sex-selective abortion, a practice that harms the gender balance and creates societal problems such as; low marriage rates and low birth rates; and other discriminatory reasons for abortion such as disability and skin colour, reasons that this assembly is attempting to eradicate;

Observing that the target resolution mandates the legalisation of abortion on demand up until birth, a stance which is radical and needlessly divisive,

Understanding that numerous member states have legitimate ethical concerns regarding the unconditional legality of abortions after fetal viability, especially when alternatives such as adoption are readily available;

Frustrated that the term "termination of pregnancy" forces member nations to legalize Dilation and Extraction procedures, for example, commonly known as partial-birth abortions, procedures in which a living and viable feotus is destroyed despite it being able to experience pain in late term pregnancy;

Disgusted because GA#286 "recognises that the termination of pregnancy is a medical procedure," it permits member nations to require parental consent for any abortion procedure performed on a minor or a mentally disabled person, as per the mandates of GA#29, thus hampering the ability of the minor or mentally disabled adult to access abortion, in case their parent or guardian refuses to allow them to undergo an abortion;

Cognisant that because "termination of pregnancy" is a medical procedure, it is therefore protected by resolutions such as GA#29 in emergency cases, as GA#29 states "Patients have the right to emergency medical treatment under circumstances requiring lifesaving procedures", which means that termination of pregnancy must be legalised in life threatening cases;

Acknowledging the resolution GA#128, which allows abortion in cases of extreme disability, rape or incest, and in life threatening conditions;

Aware that the radical approach of the target resolution has only caused division within this assembly, including 5 defeated repeal attempts and dozens of attempted repeal proposals by numerous ambassadors from different nations, and has led to many nations choosing to leave the assembly, thus reducing its power;

Concerned with the many flaws present in the resolution, which should be replaced by a better version that handles the issue in a manner that guarantees the right to abortion whilst placing reasonable restrictions that prevent abuse such as the example mentioned above;

Hereby,

Repeals General Assembly Resolution number 286, titled "Reproductive Freedoms".

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Naturally SimTropican Fully supports this legislation, All abortions are illegal in ST and will remain fully illegal since the unborn have the full right to life.

We're not members of the WA cult but keep an eye on it to mock at with other non-members. It are bills like this that are the exact reason a lot of us refuse to join and as long as a lot of your semi-international policies are in place 2/3 of all NS will remain outside it and fully exempt from all it's laws and polices.

Really if this fails it'll prove 2 things, the WA will continue with it's stupid laws meaning having people join will be tough, and second that the WA doesn't really have any authority or enforcement since any time a member doesn't like a bill they can simply leave and no longer have to follow any WA laws they don't like. Since being a member is optional and non-membership has more benefits with less legal obligation it's no wonder 2/3 rejects the WA

Maybe if this fails and other are repealed it'll appear the WA is heading the right direction. Policy on abortion should remain up to each individual nation and not try to pretend it can be forced down from the WA.

"Mr. Ambassador, if you are not going to provide any useful points to this debate and will instead waste everyone's time by relentlessly insulting the World Assembly, I suggest you take your leave, as this esteemed body doesn't have the time to listen to low-level and spiteful rants."

[Waldenes]

Fellow ambassadors and delegates of the World Assembly; Initially our decision felt rather obvious. Why vote for a repeal against the rights of women to choose? But upon closer reading, the repeal makes some good points. It points out some flaws in the original proposal. That the original proposal allows for parents to decide is questionable. What if the minor is at health risk? Do the parents still get to decide?

While the language of this repeal proposal might indicate a desire to open up to some sort of compromise, this does not sound like an Anti-Choice proposal, especially given that it encourages the passage of an improved proposal. It is for this reason that after great consideration we have decided to vote for. Progress and improvement are good things, after all.