[Defeated] Repeal "Reproductive Freedoms"

[Marxist Germany]

OOC:Trust me, 128 is as safe as NAPA and Rights and Duties of Member States.

Irrelevant. If you are not willing to draft a replacement then I'm against by default. Sorry.

OOC:That's fine, opposition was expected, and I won't be a dick and draft a replace then not submit it because that'll quickly make me very hated.

[Araraukar]

OOC:That's fine, opposition was expected, and I won't be a dick and draft a replace then not submit it because that'll quickly make me very hated.

OOC: Attempting this repeal will quickly make you very hated all too easily. Why do you hate women's rights to decide what happens to their bodies?

[The New California Republic]

Irrelevant. If you are not willing to draft a replacement then I'm against by default. Sorry.

OOC:That's fine, opposition was expected, and I won't be a dick and draft a replace then not submit it because that'll quickly make me very hated.

...I never asked you to draft a replacement and then not submit it...?

[Marxist Germany]

OOC:That's fine, opposition was expected, and I won't be a dick and draft a replace then not submit it because that'll quickly make me very hated.

OOC: Attempting this repeal will quickly make you very hated all too easily. Why do you hate women's rights to decide what happens to their bodies?

OOC:Because sometimes we have to draw a line between personal rights and rights of others.

[The New California Republic]

OOC: Attempting this repeal will quickly make you very hated all too easily. Why do you hate women's rights to decide what happens to their bodies?

OOC:Because sometimes we have to draw a line between personal rights and rights of others.

There is no WA resolution that says that fetuses are people, so that argument doesn't work. And it's comments like this that makes me suspect that you are gunning for 128 as the endgame.

[Araraukar]

OOC:Because sometimes we have to draw a line between personal rights and rights of others.

OOC: So sterilize all men. No more accidental pregnancies. Oh but that would affect YOUR rights, so of course you won't agree with it...

[Marxist Germany]

OOC:Because sometimes we have to draw a line between personal rights and rights of others.

OOC: So sterilize all men. No more accidental pregnancies. Oh but that would affect YOUR rights, so of course you won't agree with it...

OOC:Can we please not have this descend into an abortion debate? There's a thread for that in NSG board.

OOC: (TNCR) The line drawn in 128 is reasonable enough for me with the exception of rape or incest, but compromise is necessary sometimes.

[Morover]

OOC: I mean this in the nicest possible way, but the only new thing you're really bringing to the table is your cognizant... clause. Longer does not necessarily mean better. Currently, this is the best repeal out there. They both still have the fundamental issue that there's no replacement immediately available right now.

OOC: (TNCR) The line drawn in 128 is reasonable enough for me with the exception of rape or incest, but compromise is necessary sometimes.

Wait, so you think that abortion should be outlawed even in cases of rape? That doesn't necessarily add up to me. I simply don't see how this is a 'compromise' by any means.

[Marxist Germany]

OOC: (TNCR) The line drawn in 128 is reasonable enough for me with the exception of rape or incest, but compromise is necessary sometimes.

Wait, so you think that abortion should be outlawed even in cases of rape? That doesn't necessarily add up to me. I simply don't see how this is a 'compromise' by any means.

OOC:It's a compromise because we still have to live with legal abortion for cases of rape, or incest.

[Morover]

Wait, so you think that abortion should be outlawed even in cases of rape? That doesn't necessarily add up to me. I simply don't see how this is a 'compromise' by any means.

OOC:It's a compromise because we still have to live with legal abortion for cases of rape, or incest.

OOC: That's a shitty compromise. Ignoring incest, legal abortion for cases of rape is the bare minimum.

[Marxist Germany]

OOC:It's a compromise because we still have to live with legal abortion for cases of rape, or incest.

OOC: That's a shitty compromise. Ignoring incest, legal abortion for cases of rape is the bare minimum.

OOC:Third trimester abortions aren't, however.

[Separatist Peoples]

"We have no need to compromise. Compromise is only necessary where two sides cannot win outright. That is not so here. This repeal effort will fail. The arguments contained herein have failed before. Opposed."

[Imperium Anglorum]

You repeal, we pass abortionplexes for all. Is that what you want?

[Marxist Germany]

"We have no need to compromise. Compromise is only necessary where two sides cannot win outright. That is not so here. This repeal effort will fail. The arguments contained herein have failed before. Opposed."

"These arguments have failed on their own, but collectively, and with the right timing and campaigning, I believe I can get this to pass."

You repeal, we pass abortionplexes for all. Is that what you want?

OOC:Nothing is stopping you from abortionplexes right now, so no.

[Separatist Peoples]

"We have no need to compromise. Compromise is only necessary where two sides cannot win outright. That is not so here. This repeal effort will fail. The arguments contained herein have failed before. Opposed."

"These arguments have failed on their own, but collectively, and with the right timing and campaigning, I believe I can get this to pass."
"The arguments in this configuration have all been used together before. There is already concerted effort to sink this. You will not pass this, ambassador. Better authors have tried and failed."

[Marxist Germany]

"These arguments have failed on their own, but collectively, and with the right timing and campaigning, I believe I can get this to pass."
"The arguments in this configuration have all been used together before. There is already concerted effort to sink this. You will not pass this, ambassador. Better authors have tried and failed."

"The final and most recent repeal attempt was voted on 2 years ago, demographics might have changed since that time."

[Imperium Anglorum]

Yea, they probably did change. It's now more radically in support of RF.

[Guy]

I never post IC, so will not be marking all of my posts as OOC, in case I make subsequent posts.

I would never vote for the repeal, but I thought I'd highlight some of the most inaccurate arguments that it makes.

Noting that this resolution allows abortion on demand, disregarding the potential for sex-selective abortion, a practice that harms the gender balance and creates societal problems, and other discriminatory reasons for abortion such as disability and skin colour, reasons that this assembly is attempting to eradicate;

Banning abortion in those circumstances is highly impracticable, given that establishing it as the rationale, or even forming a suspicion that it is one, seems extremely unlikely. Furthermore, abortion for reasons of foetal abnormalities is commonly accepted as being compassionate, and I doubt it can be asserted that it is a practice that the WA is "attempting to eradicate".

Frustrated that the term forces member nations to legalize Dilation and Extraction procedures, for example, commonly known as partial-birth abortions, which some of the most gruesome, bloody, and medically unneeded abortion procedures, in which a living and viable fetus is destroyed;

I understand that this one is a hot-button issue IRL, but it is important to get the facts right. The procedure is, in some instances, the safest one, and therefore it is not "medically unneeded". Furthermore, it is not particularly bloody. It is difficult to see in what sense a "living and viable fetus is destroyed" differently to other post-viability abortion procedures.

Further Noting that the resolution does not make exceptions for minors who are still under their parents' or guardians' custody, whom might not understand the consequences behind the termination of their pregnancy;

Reproductive Freedoms requires states to deal with this as they would other procedures of similar risk, which seems appropriate. Minors do not have a freestanding right to abortion; rather, the same laws that apply to their ability to consent to other medical procedures would apply here.

Believing that the issue ought to be handled in a manner than guarantees the right to abortion whilst placing reasonable restrictions that prevent abuses such as those mentioned above;

You're asserting that restrictions should be placed, which many would disagree with.

Concerned with the many flaws present in the resolution, that ought to be replaced by a better replacement that addresses the issue properly;

I don't think the resolution is 'flawed', you merely substantively disagree with it.

[Separatist Peoples]

"These arguments have failed on their own, but collectively, and with the right timing and campaigning, I believe I can get this to pass."
"The arguments in this configuration have all been used together before. There is already concerted effort to sink this. You will not pass this, ambassador. Better authors have tried and failed."

"The final and most recent repeal attempt was voted on 2 years ago, demographics might have changed since that time."

"More socially liberal, yes."

[Kenmoria]

“I suppose you know what I will say, based on both my responses in other drafting charmers and by probability given the make-up of the GA. To be more precise, I oppose this bill and any subsequent repeal attempts by this delegation or any other.

It’s not even that I have some wish for the target resolution to stay - the Kenmoria WA Mission is neutral with regards to the resolution and has no particular opinion on it. It’s more that the tirade of anger at such futility as a repeal, given the permanence of 286, is simply annoying.”

[United States of Americanas]

NOPE, plain and simple. Will not vote in support of this EVER. So don’t even try to persuade me.

[The New California Republic]

"These arguments have failed on their own, but collectively, and with the right timing and campaigning, I believe I can get this to pass."
"The arguments in this configuration have all been used together before. There is already concerted effort to sink this. You will not pass this, ambassador. Better authors have tried and failed."

"The final and most recent repeal attempt was voted on 2 years ago, demographics might have changed since that time."

"Ambassador, the liberal tide has continued onward, despite the Canute-like aspirations of the more prudish members of the World Assembly."

[United Massachusetts]

You repeal, we pass abortionplexes for all. Is that what you want?

Let me be very clear. We are not afraid. We will not be frightened into accepting fundamental evil.

MG, continue this draft. I will have feedback soon.

[Attempted Socialism]

Wait, so you think that abortion should be outlawed even in cases of rape? That doesn't necessarily add up to me. I simply don't see how this is a 'compromise' by any means.

OOC:It's a compromise because we still have to live with legal abortion for cases of rape, or incest.

OOC: RF+OA is the compromise. It's the compromise between those who reasonably want women to have rights, and those who want the anti-choice advocates to be forced to pay for all abortions. Further, compromise is what is negotiated between two sides who cannot, or will not, dictate their will upon the other side. In this case, the anti-choice 'other side' is a handful of people and their futile attempt to turn back history. It will not happen, and any replacement of RF or OA will be even more pro-choice.

[United Massachusetts]

OOC:It's a compromise because we still have to live with legal abortion for cases of rape, or incest.

OOC: RF+OA is the compromise. It's the compromise between those who reasonably want women to have rights, and those who want the anti-choice advocates to be forced to pay for all abortions. Further, compromise is what is negotiated between two sides who cannot, or will not, dictate their will upon the other side. In this case, the anti-choice 'other side' is a handful of people and their futile attempt to turn back history. It will not happen, and any replacement of RF or OA will be even more pro-choice.

OOC:It's a compromise because we still have to live with legal abortion for cases of rape, or incest.

OOC: RF+OA is the compromise. It's the compromise between those who reasonably want women to have rights, and those who want the anti-choice advocates to be forced to pay for all abortions. Further, compromise is what is negotiated between two sides who cannot, or will not, dictate their will upon the other side. In this case, the anti-choice 'other side' is a handful of people and their futile attempt to turn back history. It will not happen, and any replacement of RF or OA will be even more pro-choice.

The reality is that neither side can enforce its will on the other. At any moment, United Massachusetts could withdraw its membership. The WA possesses no genuine sovereignty.

We're not going to take this nonsensical lie that RF is permanent. Nothing is permanent, including forced legalisation of third trimester abortions.