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Postby Kaiserholt » Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:50 am

The Most Serene Republic is voting for the repeal, because government prisons in our nation have proven unequal to the task of properly administering our jails. Though to be honest, what else would you expect from bureaucrats aside from self serving incompetence?
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Postby United States of Americanas » Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:41 am

Where is the replacement?

No vote until you show a replacement.

You repeal it you replace it.
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Postby Maowi » Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:47 am

Marxist Germany wrote:Klaus enters the voting chamber to cast his vote, he picks up a ballot and ticks the FOR box, and casts the ballot. He moves to the debate chambers to state hisbopinion and reply to questions."I do not believe private prisons should be prohibited, despite Germany rarely using them, other nations rely solely on them, and regulation of private prisons is a better way to go forwards; furthermore, the target has many objective flaws within it." he looks around the room and is confronted by the Maowese ambassador,
Maowi wrote:'Ambassador, you're not gonna see any support from me. You churn out empty words about "repeal and replace" and yet you expressly state that you will not be drafting a replacement with tighter regulations. That reeks of deceit and intentional misleading of voters. The current resolution is far better than nothing, so with no replacement draft at least taking shape, I'm not voting for any repeal.'

"I cannot, in good-faith write a replacement that fully prohibits private prisons, perhaps other ambassadors can try their luck at it." He thanks the ambassadors who support the proposal, and steps down from the podium to await other notes and opinions.

'In which case, why did your delegation explicitly state in the proposal text that a replacement ought to be drafted? This is a dishonest attempt at garnering votes from less-informed voters.'
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The Peoples Mandate
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Postby The Peoples Mandate » Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:04 am

The act of using prisons as a profit-generating scheme, or the use of forced labor for economic gains, must be wholly and ruthlessly stamped out across the world. We support this measure in the understanding that a more absolute and unambiguous law will follow soon after.

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The United Separatist Empire
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Postby The United Separatist Empire » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:15 am

Look at all of you fucking losers with prisons. I tell you this, and I will say it over and over again until you recognize your faults. Human beings are simple creatures and thus they need simple things like food, water, war, weapons, blood, fire, smoke, authoritarianism, the right to be silenced, murder, purge, and a common enemy to blame it on. You people and your ideologies make me sick, and I pity you for how weak you are.

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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:14 pm

Maowi wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:Klaus enters the voting chamber to cast his vote, he picks up a ballot and ticks the FOR box, and casts the ballot. He moves to the debate chambers to state hisbopinion and reply to questions."I do not believe private prisons should be prohibited, despite Germany rarely using them, other nations rely solely on them, and regulation of private prisons is a better way to go forwards; furthermore, the target has many objective flaws within it." he looks around the room and is confronted by the Maowese ambassador,

"I cannot, in good-faith write a replacement that fully prohibits private prisons, perhaps other ambassadors can try their luck at it." He thanks the ambassadors who support the proposal, and steps down from the podium to await other notes and opinions.

'In which case, why did your delegation explicitly state in the proposal text that a replacement ought to be drafted? This is a dishonest attempt at garnering votes from less-informed voters.'

“I believe that delegations to the World Assembly ought to inform themselves to such a degree that they are aware of the actions of the Marxist Germany representation. Besides, there is still room for others to do a replacement, which may be more of a compromise.”
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Postby Dangine » Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:29 pm

"Dangine votes against this because we do not trust Marxist Germany to write a replacement. "
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Postby New Sayoni » Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:27 pm

New Sayoni votes for this with the condition that a more comprehensive replacement is put at vote.
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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:55 pm

New Sayoni wrote:New Sayoni votes for this with the condition that a more comprehensive replacement is put at vote.
Dangine wrote:"Dangine votes against this because we do not trust Marxist Germany to write a replacement. "

“I don’t believe that the Marxist Germany delegation is planning to write a replacement. It seems that we could be back to the status quo of a lack of legislation, possibly with a later resolution at some point.”
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Postby Austropia » Tue Sep 24, 2019 4:06 pm

Dangine wrote:"Dangine votes against this because we do not trust Marxist Germany to write a replacement. "


A wise decision... Austropia will follow suit, as some regulation is better than none.

Why can we not just pass an addendum to this bill? Repealing in full would weaken our chances at a full ban, we would be running backwards.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Tue Sep 24, 2019 4:16 pm

Austropia wrote:
Dangine wrote:"Dangine votes against this because we do not trust Marxist Germany to write a replacement. "


A wise decision... Austropia will follow suit, as some regulation is better than none.

Why can we not just pass an addendum to this bill? Repealing in full would weaken our chances at a full ban, we would be running backwards.

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Postby Free Santa Rosa » Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:23 pm

The delegation of Free Santa Rosa has heard all arguments put forth and has come to a decision. Comrades, we agree that the current law, as is, is ineffectual and weak, and needs a comprehensive restructuring. Seeing the inadequacies of the current system of the World Assembly, we can agree that this law must be repealed and replaced with a better one.

However! Any such law must seek for a total ban on privatization of prisons in any way! To be able to have a private citizen own the right of somebody to free; that is disgusting and the height of bourgeois excess! I propose that we begin drafting a replacement resolution, right away, with these principles in mind.

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Postby The United Separatist Empire » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:41 pm

Free Santa Rosa wrote:The delegation of Free Santa Rosa has heard all arguments put forth and has come to a decision. Comrades, we agree that the current law, as is, is ineffectual and weak, and needs a comprehensive restructuring. Seeing the inadequacies of the current system of the World Assembly, we can agree that this law must be repealed and replaced with a better one.

However! Any such law must seek for a total ban on privatization of prisons in any way! To be able to have a private citizen own the right of somebody to free; that is disgusting and the height of bourgeois excess! I propose that we begin drafting a replacement resolution, right away, with these principles in mind.

You are weak! Weak I say! Your ideologies goad me, and your proposal bores me! A true country is fueled by the impulses of hedonism and human desire! Carnage, loss, and militarism are the truths few seek, and die because of it!

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Postby Free Santa Rosa » Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:35 pm

The United Separatist Empire wrote:
Free Santa Rosa wrote:<snip>

You are weak! Weak I say! Your ideologies goad me, and your proposal bores me! A true country is fueled by the impulses of hedonism and human desire! Carnage, loss, and militarism are the truths few seek, and die because of it!


How daft! War for its own sake is needless death. We did not fight a decades' long struggle against fascists and imperialists only to be lectured by savages who seek nothing but brute strength. There is only one form of just struggle: that of serving the people. But you know nothing of service, sir, we take it.

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Postby The Peoples Mandate » Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:17 pm

Free Santa Rosa wrote:The delegation of Free Santa Rosa has heard all arguments put forth and has come to a decision. Comrades, we agree that the current law, as is, is ineffectual and weak, and needs a comprehensive restructuring. Seeing the inadequacies of the current system of the World Assembly, we can agree that this law must be repealed and replaced with a better one.

However! Any such law must seek for a total ban on privatization of prisons in any way! To be able to have a private citizen own the right of somebody to free; that is disgusting and the height of bourgeois excess! I propose that we begin drafting a replacement resolution, right away, with these principles in mind.

This is indeed the ultimate goal we must strive for.

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Postby Kardashev III Civilization » Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:25 pm

"This really is for the best," the obelisk says from one corner of the room. "Prisoners take up resources such as living space and oxygen, which may be in scarce supply in any given world. Private prison operations do a great service to the local stellar communities, operating industrial prisons on planets and spacecraft at minimal cost to governing bodies in-system."

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Postby The United Separatist Empire » Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:23 am

Free Santa Rosa wrote:
The United Separatist Empire wrote:You are weak! Weak I say! Your ideologies goad me, and your proposal bores me! A true country is fueled by the impulses of hedonism and human desire! Carnage, loss, and militarism are the truths few seek, and die because of it!


How daft! War for its own sake is needless death. We did not fight a decades' long struggle against fascists and imperialists only to be lectured by savages who seek nothing but brute strength. There is only one form of just struggle: that of serving the people. But you know nothing of service, sir, we take it.

You disgust me you whore to society! You only say what you do is right because few disagree! There is no wrong or right! Only mammon! You serve your gods of money and that is your only interest!

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Postby The United Separatist Empire » Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:39 am

Free Santa Rosa wrote:
The United Separatist Empire wrote:You are weak! Weak I say! Your ideologies goad me, and your proposal bores me! A true country is fueled by the impulses of hedonism and human desire! Carnage, loss, and militarism are the truths few seek, and die because of it!


How daft! War for its own sake is needless death. We did not fight a decades' long struggle against fascists and imperialists only to be lectured by savages who seek nothing but brute strength. There is only one form of just struggle: that of serving the people. But you know nothing of service, sir, we take it.

And you are greedy! You redistribute your wealth like it’s a toy! Your tax of 69.4% hurts your economy and I’m supposed to look at you as a role model?! Ridiculous!!! Scum like you deserve to be conquered and wiped from the planet! We have alienated authoritarian autocracies so much that we have forgot they are necessary!

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Postby The United Separatist Empire » Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:43 am

You people follow the crowd like locusts on grain! You are filth! You are nothing! You will never truly prosper! Death to your fake freedom! Bring a torch to the Earth! Death to you! Death! Death! Death! Eat shit and die scum!

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:00 am

The United Separatist Empire wrote:You people follow the crowd like locusts on grain! You are filth! You are nothing! You will never truly prosper! Death to your fake freedom! Bring a torch to the Earth! Death to you! Death! Death! Death! Eat shit and die scum!

*looms ominously* Hi there. I realize that this is In-Character posting and all, but how about you tone down the foaming-at-the-mouth rhetoric, okay? It's a text interface, see, and people are not sure if you're posting in character or not. So, dial it back.
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Postby Free Santa Rosa » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:26 am

Dr. Teng leans back on his chair. The rest of the delegation looks at him, some anxious, some raring to reply at the delegate from the United Separatist Empire. One comrade is fuming red with anger. The good doctor just smirks and asks the comrade to his left for a cigarette. Yes, he knows it's not allowed.

He takes a cigarette and lights it up, despite the "No Smoking" signs. It's a force of habit, and he figured they'll let an old man get away with a few puffs, right? Smoking helps him calm his nerves. Deep down he wanted to tear the delegate a new one. But that's not how the International Department works. He was the one who pushed for World Assembly representation, anyway. He knew countries like this exist. Of course.
Reactionaries, he thought to himself. One long drag. Smoke billows from the old doctor's mouth as he puts the cigarette out on the table. He smiles.

Death it is, then.

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Postby Satuga » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:32 am

"Unless there is a current replacement of the resolution it is to be opposed by the Satugan people, as even though we pride on being as free as possible even we still know the dangers of privatized prisons. Our current stance is oppose until further notice."
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Postby Kenmoria » Wed Sep 25, 2019 11:02 am

Satuga wrote:"Unless there is a current replacement of the resolution it is to be opposed by the Satugan people, as even though we pride on being as free as possible even we still know the dangers of privatized prisons. Our current stance is oppose until further notice."

“There are indeed dangers to any prison, but I don’t think a complete ban is a necessary response to this. A repeal allows for more nuanced legislation, giving nations the freedom to do what they want with their justice system.”
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Postby The United Separatist Empire » Wed Sep 25, 2019 11:13 am

Farnhamia wrote:
The United Separatist Empire wrote:You people follow the crowd like locusts on grain! You are filth! You are nothing! You will never truly prosper! Death to your fake freedom! Bring a torch to the Earth! Death to you! Death! Death! Death! Eat shit and die scum!

*looms ominously* Hi there. I realize that this is In-Character posting and all, but how about you tone down the foaming-at-the-mouth rhetoric, okay? It's a text interface, see, and people are not sure if you're posting in character or not. So, dial it back.

*points finger at your retarded fucking face* You fucking nincompoop! How dare you insult me!

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Postby Satuga » Wed Sep 25, 2019 11:17 am

The United Separatist Empire wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:*looms ominously* Hi there. I realize that this is In-Character posting and all, but how about you tone down the foaming-at-the-mouth rhetoric, okay? It's a text interface, see, and people are not sure if you're posting in character or not. So, dial it back.

*points finger at your retarded fucking face* You fucking nincompoop! How dare you insult me!

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