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by Freepublican » Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:54 pm
by Ard al Islam » Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:55 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:Ard al Islam wrote:Hey, can y'all stop bad mouthing me? I just left the WA so its legislation wouldn't apply to my nation. And that had nothing to do with politics or beliefs; this is a fucking game, for God's sake!
Although I'll admit, I was inspired to do this when representatives from Muslim countries in the real-world UN walked out of a meeting talking about gay rights.
OOC: Nobody is badmouthing you. We're asking why it matters in the least what the WA does if you're not part of it.
by Novo Vaticanus » Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:57 pm
Novo Abrahamia wrote:Only a demonized brain would launch that issue. it's sick and ungodly. An insult to our Lord and Savior.
In Novo Abrahamia "transgenderness" is treated as a mental illness. No matter that the WA decides it's gonna stay that way.
by Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories » Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:58 pm
Freepublican wrote:I will only vote for this with 2 changes made. No treatment is to be allowed until the age of consent is reached. Remove the part about the state providing easy and affordable access. That is a market matter.
by Kenmoria » Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:59 pm
Ard al Islam wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: Nobody is badmouthing you. We're asking why it matters in the least what the WA does if you're not part of it.
I jus explained that. I only left so this particular legislation wouldn't affect my nation, and I will return soon after it passes. Is that so hard to understand?
by Freepublican » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:03 pm
Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:Freepublican wrote:I will only vote for this with 2 changes made. No treatment is to be allowed until the age of consent is reached. Remove the part about the state providing easy and affordable access. That is a market matter.
See how the capitalist dogs meet the cries of those in need. Their precious markets are built from the bones of the workers, and there is no compassion to be found among those butcher's stalls.
by Catsfern » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:09 pm
Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:Freepublican wrote:I will only vote for this with 2 changes made. No treatment is to be allowed until the age of consent is reached. Remove the part about the state providing easy and affordable access. That is a market matter.
See how the capitalist dogs meet the cries of those in need. Their precious markets are built from the bones of the workers, and there is no compassion to be found among those butcher's stalls.
by Sancta Romana Ecclesia » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:14 pm
Freepublican wrote:I will only vote for this with 2 changes made. No treatment is to be allowed until the age of consent is reached. Remove the part about the state providing easy and affordable access. That is a market matter.
by Wallenburg » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:45 pm
Ard al Islam wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: Nobody is badmouthing you. We're asking why it matters in the least what the WA does if you're not part of it.
I jus explained that. I only left so this particular legislation wouldn't affect my nation, and I will return soon after it passes. Is that so hard to understand?
by Farnhamia » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:08 pm
Scherzinger wrote:OOC: Separatist, i truly think you are an idiot, and someone who likes attempting to belittle others instead of just keeping it to yourself. Although saying this is gonna trigger your sensitivity alarm and im sure youll report it, as you have every other time. Im pretty sure that, while muted, youre still just poking fun of me, which is ok, i can take it, you clearly cant
"Since the ambassador of separatist, as well as others, mostly on the liberal left, believe that we are out of our minds as well as irrelevant in the WA, allow me to give you an actual argument on this hogwash.
When talking about being against gender mutilation/dysphoria/fake change etc, there are an issue i would think makes this law somewhat 'unconstitutional' so to speak, in most of you democracy-loving nations.
First and foremost, the issue of Religion, which, in a good chunk of nations, tends to be the leadership, i.e. theocracies, religious monarchies/republics and so on. In most religions, where God is an almighty figure, and his written word is the law of the land, trannies are forbidden from heaven. This includes homosexuals, actual satanists, capitalists, those who commit crimes, etc. Mutilation of the body is a slap in God's face, as, supposedly, your body, as well as whom you are, is supposed to be God's image of you. While an atheist myself and admittedly somewhat ill-read on religious texts, i am quite familiar with those that gods claim to love and hate. If this proposal becomes law, this would violate the basic freedoms of expression of religion, as well as the ability to follow religious practices freely. Assuming that you follow some of the basic rights that were laws in America, where the 1st Amendment is sacred, you will, simply put, outlaw part of your rights to your people.
A prime example would be the individual who just left the WA. Because i can only assume that this proposal violates the some parts of Islam. While i think its a backwards religion in general, it is still part of the religious argument. Most, if not all religions believe that the gender you are given at birth is the one you live out your life as. Granted, if a man becomes gay or a woman a lesbian, then they no longer religiously acceptable.
If this passes, this also means that, for example, a religious shopkeep who refuses to serve a transgender individual because it goes against their religious beliefs, can now have their business revoked, be shamed by the public, or even arrested and jailed, for expressing their right to religious freedoms. This, i would assume, means that the government either has to unlawfully modify their religion (modifying the law of god would be unacceptable in his eyes), found a new religion, or outlaw religion completely, which results in the changing of the rights that are guaranteed by your citizens.
I might finally add that i for one could simply revoke citizenship, as i already do, to trannies, and take advantage of a huge loophole in the proposal. Forcing me to allow them to keep their citizenship would seem pretty dictatorial in a supposed 'democratic' assembly.
If you are going to force us to follow this bu-humbug, i suggest that you take the time to modify it, so that it allows for a nation to somehow follow this proposal, without having to sacrifice their religious beliefs.
OOC: There, and if somehow you still want to keep at it separatist, well it proves that muting you was probably a solid choice, and my thoughts about you wont really change. On the other hand, i hope that this shows you that i have plenty a mind to argue, im admittedly just too lazy to do so, and dont really like most of you guys anyway lol
by Farnhamia » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:11 pm
Novo Abrahamia wrote:Only a demonized brain would launch that issue. it's sick and ungodly. An insult to our Lord and Savior.
In Novo Abrahamia "transgenderness" is treated as a mental illness. No matter that the WA decides it's gonna stay that way.
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by Che Triumphant » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:56 pm
Morover wrote:Christian Democrats wrote:Imposing artificial hormones on healthy children, who can in no real sense provide consent, is unethical.
"This is an issue I struggled with - because, in many nations, the age of majority is often higher than needed to be given access to these hormones - but young children shouldn't be given a choice to do something they do not understand. I considered using the term 'sexual maturity,' but that does seem a bit ambiguous on the subject. For now, I will keep the clause as-is, at least until I can figure out a way to prohibit young children from making a decision such as this, without unnecessarily restricting those who understand the process."
by The Eternal Kawaii » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:08 pm
Tunis Algeris wrote:I love how this bill says "Their experiences are not the product of "mental illness," "confusion," "disease," or anything of the sort -- rather, their understanding of their relationship to the world in the lens of gender does not correspond with their biological sex" even though this whole thing is based off of the implications of a person feeling like a gender they are not (which is a mental thing). If this weren't contradicting even then so effort and resources shouldn't be put in someone by the government just because said person is feeling girly that day and they are a boy.
by Sierra Lyricalia » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:29 pm
Paleoconservative Citizens wrote:Men naturally have testosterone. Women have estrogen. But you cannot switch the two between the sexes.
This is an abomination for which I will not stand. It is a twisting of nature and, just because someone feels they belong to another gender, doesn't mean that they do. By this argument, I could just as well say that, because I believe I am God, that I am God. It's foolishness.
Novo Abrahamia wrote:Only a demonized brain would launch that issue. it's sick and ungodly. An insult to our Lord and Savior.
by Tinfect » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:29 pm
The Eternal Kawaii wrote:Tunis Algeris wrote:I love how this bill says "Their experiences are not the product of "mental illness," "confusion," "disease," or anything of the sort -- rather, their understanding of their relationship to the world in the lens of gender does not correspond with their biological sex" even though this whole thing is based off of the implications of a person feeling like a gender they are not (which is a mental thing). If this weren't contradicting even then so effort and resources shouldn't be put in someone by the government just because said person is feeling girly that day and they are a boy.
In the Name of the Eternal Kawaii, may the Cute One be praised
This proposal is based on a false premise, as the ambassador from Tunis Algeris correctly points out. "Gender dysphoria" is a mental illness by definition. If a person has a healthy, unflawed set of sexual organs, but their mind tells them that they're of the wrong sort, then the only logical conclusion that can be drawn is that the person's mind is flawed.
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by Tunis Algeris » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:50 pm
Tinfect wrote:The Eternal Kawaii wrote:
In the Name of the Eternal Kawaii, may the Cute One be praised
This proposal is based on a false premise, as the ambassador from Tunis Algeris correctly points out. "Gender dysphoria" is a mental illness by definition. If a person has a healthy, unflawed set of sexual organs, but their mind tells them that they're of the wrong sort, then the only logical conclusion that can be drawn is that the person's mind is flawed.
https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-fam ... -dysphoria
The science disagrees with you.
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