[PASSED] Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy

[Israeli Commonwealth]

I am very offended at this passage. Why must we recognize. This gender confusion is nonsense. I do not support this act one bit. It isnt very fair to nations that are conservative and old fashioned.

OOC:
As am I. If you would read my spoiler. I left the WA due to it. NationStates is outweighed by liberal progressive socialists to the conservative capitalists or even the libertarians.

This passage has shown the vast outnumbering of us. Lucky for you and me something as barbaric as that would never pass in real life because people in the political field usually have more common sense. Even Hillary Clinton wouldn't support this. It is unethical, and countless doctors have said that children should not be introduced to hormone therapy.

Children can be deceived by the media or by family. This has happened countless times, and kids go on hormones. When this said child grows up some of them regret it. But at that point it is irreversible.

Also, personally, I have seen a lot evidence pointing to the fact that Gender Dysphoria does not even exist. One of the best points I can make is that no other animal in nature (that does not switch sex naturally, such as some frogs) has gender dysphoria. Gender Dysphoria also did not exist until the past 70 years or so. Homosexuality is a different story, I am not talking about that. May I also add that some chemicals in foods, soaps, sunscreen, skin lotion, and other items can cause hormone imbalance. That can unfortunately lead to Gender Dysphoria.

A better resolution would by increasing funds for psychiatric help for those who may have Gender Dysphoria.

If you disagree with me that is your right but it is wrong to force me to have this. I could continue but I have to go. I rest my case.

[Separatist Peoples]

If you cannot afford to make common medication affordable then you are already a failed state.

I don't think we should be calling each other "failed states."

"Nations that cannot subsidize, even in part, a relatively inexpensive drug for a relatively minuscule part of the general population are probably financially failing. That isn't an insult, its a rational conclusion."

[Separatist Peoples]

I am very offended at this passage. Why must we recognize. This gender confusion is nonsense. I do not support this act one bit. It isnt very fair to nations that are conservative and old fashioned.

OOC:
As am I. If you would read my spoiler. I left the WA due to it. NationStates is outweighed by liberal progressive socialists to the conservative capitalists or even the libertarians.

This passage has shown the vast outnumbering of us. Lucky for you and me something as barbaric as that would never pass in real life because people in the political field usually have more common sense. Even Hillary Clinton wouldn't support this. It is unethical, and countless doctors have said that children should not be introduced to hormone therapy.

Children can be deceived by the media or by family. This has happened countless times, and kids go on hormones. When this said child grows up some of them regret it. But at that point it is irreversible.

Also, personally, I have seen a lot evidence pointing to the fact that Gender Dysphoria does not even exist. One of the best points I can make is that no other animal in nature (that does not switch sex naturally, such as some frogs) has gender dysphoria. Gender Dysphoria also did not exist until the past 70 years or so. Homosexuality is a different story, I am not talking about that. May I also add that some chemicals in foods, soaps, sunscreen, skin lotion, and other items can cause hormone imbalance. That can unfortunately lead to Gender Dysphoria.

A better resolution would by increasing funds for psychiatric help for those who may have Gender Dysphoria.

If you disagree with me that is your right but it is wrong to force me to have this. I could continue but I have to go. I rest my case.

OOC: We know that is your puppet, dude.

Also, the WA is pretty overwhelmingly pro-market. Calling it run by socialists is outright hilarious.

[Peatiktist]

"How very immature. I hope that isn't too representative of your nation. We have now resigned from the World Assembly. I bid you good day."

"Well enough. The citizens of the C.D.S.P. have little toleration for tantrums, mistreatment of the vulnerable, and bland foods. Keep your chin up, former ambassador. Two out of three ain't bad."

Welp.

If this was a real country under a real World organization, we would now be broke.
This is why I'm glad I don't have to actually follow WA proposals.

OOC: Compliance is required. Failure to comply will get you fined an amount calculated for coerce compliance. Failure to pay results in WA-wide sanction.

I'll pay. Cheaper than paying a million for every person with gender dysphoria.

Welp.

If this was a real country under a real World organization, we would now be broke.
This is why I'm glad I don't have to actually follow WA proposals.

If you cannot afford to make common medication affordable then you are already a failed state.

Yes. Because not having serveral trillion in my healthcare budget alone makes me a failed state.

My country isn't rich.

[Separatist Peoples]

"Well enough. The citizens of the C.D.S.P. have little toleration for tantrums, mistreatment of the vulnerable, and bland foods. Keep your chin up, former ambassador. Two out of three ain't bad."


OOC: Compliance is required. Failure to comply will get you fined an amount calculated for coerce compliance. Failure to pay results in WA-wide sanction.

I'll pay. Cheaper than paying a million for every person with gender dysphoria.

OOC: It really isn't. The fine is specifically designed to be more expensive than noncompliance.

[Peatiktist]

I'll pay. Cheaper than paying a million for every person with gender dysphoria.

OOC: It really isn't. The fine is specifically designed to be more expensive than noncompliance.

Cheaper in the long run. Cheaper than bankrupting my country.

[Minoa]

Hi there,

Just a quick note that Charlotte Ryberg has left the WA after the compliance telegram, only because we completed what we needed to do to reinforce the passage of this landmark resolution.

I do not think we are alone in joining the WA for a specific resolution.

-- Ms. S. Harper.

[Saint Arsenio]

I don't think we should be calling each other "failed states."

"Nations that cannot subsidize, even in part, a relatively inexpensive drug for a relatively minuscule part of the general population are probably financially failing. That isn't an insult, its a rational conclusion."

Financially failing isn't the same as a failed state.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: It really isn't. The fine is specifically designed to be more expensive than noncompliance.

Cheaper in the long run. Cheaper than bankrupting my country.

OOC: Again, no. It isn't. The fines will always cost more than noncompliance, short term or long term. They are calculated specifically to force nations into compliance. The idea is that it will always be more expensive to refuse to comply than it is to pay the fines. The fines get bigger and bigger.
The WA will cheerfully bankrupt a noncompliant nation.

[Saint Arsenio]

I still don't see why Nations have a problem with this.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Cheaper in the long run. Cheaper than bankrupting my country.

OOC: Again, no. It isn't. The fines will always cost more than noncompliance, short term or long term. They are calculated specifically to force nations into compliance. The idea is that it will always be more expensive to refuse to comply than it is to pay the fines. The fines get bigger and bigger.
The WA will cheerfully bankrupt a noncompliant nation.

OOC: He's apparently already bankrupt so... international stewardship? *thinking*

[Peatiktist]

Cheaper in the long run. Cheaper than bankrupting my country.

OOC: Again, no. It isn't. The fines will always cost more than noncompliance, short term or long term. They are calculated specifically to force nations into compliance. The idea is that it will always be more expensive to refuse to comply than it is to pay the fines. The fines get bigger and bigger.
The WA will cheerfully bankrupt a noncompliant nation.

Let's see........
Bankruptcy or bankruptcy.

If I didn't know better, I'd say the WA wants to drive countries out.
Oh wait. I am.

OOC: Again, no. It isn't. The fines will always cost more than noncompliance, short term or long term. They are calculated specifically to force nations into compliance. The idea is that it will always be more expensive to refuse to comply than it is to pay the fines. The fines get bigger and bigger.
The WA will cheerfully bankrupt a noncompliant nation.

OOC: He's apparently already bankrupt so... international stewardship? *thinking*

That's a lie.
I'm not bankrupt, just not unrealistically rich.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: Again, no. It isn't. The fines will always cost more than noncompliance, short term or long term. They are calculated specifically to force nations into compliance. The idea is that it will always be more expensive to refuse to comply than it is to pay the fines. The fines get bigger and bigger.
The WA will cheerfully bankrupt a noncompliant nation.

Let's see........
Bankruptcy or bankruptcy.

If I didn't know better, I'd say the WA wants to drive countries out.
Oh wait. I am.

OOC: Yeah, the WA has little reason to cater to the noncompliant. Comply or get out.

Noncompliance also suspends the duty of member states to not, like, embargo your state, freeze assets, maintain normalized relations, etc. So on top of the bankruptcy, you lose preferential treatment by fellow WA members. So you can't even climb out of the bankruptcy.

Its cheaper to comply. I would know. I wrote that resolution.

[The New Nordic Union]

OOC: Again, no. It isn't. The fines will always cost more than noncompliance, short term or long term. They are calculated specifically to force nations into compliance. The idea is that it will always be more expensive to refuse to comply than it is to pay the fines. The fines get bigger and bigger.
The WA will cheerfully bankrupt a noncompliant nation.

Let's see........
Bankruptcy or bankruptcy.

If I didn't know better, I'd say the WA wants to drive countries out.
Oh wait. I am.

OOC: He's apparently already bankrupt so... international stewardship? *thinking*

That's a lie.
I'm not bankrupt, just not unrealistically rich.

OOC: If you actually read the resolution, you would notice that it nowhere states that the government/nation should be paying for the medication or treatment, just that it needs to be affordable. How a nation would be going bankrupt by this is hard to fathom, unless the nation's whole economy is based on artificially highly priced hormone therapy to begin with, which is an absurd scenario.

[Morover]

OOC: Again, no. It isn't. The fines will always cost more than noncompliance, short term or long term. They are calculated specifically to force nations into compliance. The idea is that it will always be more expensive to refuse to comply than it is to pay the fines. The fines get bigger and bigger.
The WA will cheerfully bankrupt a noncompliant nation.

Let's see........
Bankruptcy or bankruptcy.

If I didn't know better, I'd say the WA wants to drive countries out.
Oh wait. I am.

OOC: He's apparently already bankrupt so... international stewardship? *thinking*

That's a lie.
I'm not bankrupt, just not unrealistically rich.

OOC: I sincerely doubt that paying for hormone therapy would drive you to bankruptcy. Additionally, as I've made abundantly clear throughout this thread - this resolution doesn't even require the nations themselves to pay for them. You would be fine if you implement a law that requires the private sector to keep the price affordable. There are a plethora of options you can adopt, a vast majority of which do not require you to go "bankrupt," which you are so needlessly concerned about.

[Peatiktist]

Let's see........
Bankruptcy or bankruptcy.

If I didn't know better, I'd say the WA wants to drive countries out.
Oh wait. I am.

OOC: Yeah, the WA has little reason to cater to the noncompliant. Comply or get out.

Noncompliance also suspends the duty of member states to not, like, embargo your state, freeze assets, maintain normalized relations, etc. So on top of the bankruptcy, you lose preferential treatment by fellow WA members. So you can't even climb out of the bankruptcy.

Its cheaper to comply. I would know. I wrote that resolution.

Ah so it's not the entire WA that wants to kick useful member states, just you. Good to know.

Also, if I'm supposed to be paying fines for noncompliance with WA laws, you're a bit late on sending me a bill.

[The New Nordic Union]

OOC: Yeah, the WA has little reason to cater to the noncompliant. Comply or get out.

Noncompliance also suspends the duty of member states to not, like, embargo your state, freeze assets, maintain normalized relations, etc. So on top of the bankruptcy, you lose preferential treatment by fellow WA members. So you can't even climb out of the bankruptcy.

Its cheaper to comply. I would know. I wrote that resolution.

Ah so it's not the entire WA that wants to kick useful member states, just you. Good to know.

Also, if I'm supposed to be paying fines for noncompliance with WA laws, you're a bit late on sending me a bill.

OOC: Enlighten us, but in what way are non-compliant member-nations useful?

[Separatist Peoples]

Ah so it's not the entire WA that wants to kick useful member states, just you. Good to know.

OOC: You're not useful. You apparently can't even afford to subsidize medication. What benefit was Peatiktist to the WA?

I only want to boot the noncompliant. If I could boot them manually by operation of resolution, I would. Alas, the coding doesnt work for that.

And, for what its worth, the resolution passed with a majority of nations voting For. It must be more than just me.

Also, if I'm supposed to be paying fines for noncompliance with WA laws, you're a bit late on sending me a bill.

OOC: From a roleplay perspective, you were subject to noncompliance fines when you joined. Or, at least at the beginning of any given fiscal segment as defined by the Compliance Commission. There are mitigating factors considered, but not for wilful noncompliance.

I'm just telling you now since you missed the memo.

[Minoa]

I thought that the worst thing that could happen from claiming non-compliance, at least on the WA’s side, was to cause the annoyance of other World Assembly members who already know that compliance is mandatory.

Embargoes, asset freezes and normalized relations would depend on the decision of the nations involved with the alleged non-compliant nation. If I recall correctly, the WA only kicks out a member state if (1) they are caught having more than one nation in the WA, (2) plagiarism, or (3) they submitted too many illegal proposals over a period of time.

[Whiteumbreon]

Transphobia is one helluva drug

[The New Nordic Union]

I thought that the worst thing that could happen from claiming non-compliance, at least on the WA’s side, was to cause the annoyance of other World Assembly members who already know that compliance is mandatory.

Embargoes, asset freezes and normalized relations would depend on the decision of the nations involved with the alleged non-compliant nation. If I recall correctly, the WA only kicks out a member state if (1) they are caught having more than one nation in the WA, (2) plagiarism, or (3) they submitted too many illegal proposals over a period of time.

OOC: These is the game side, yes. However, RP-wise, there is the resolution dealing with non-compliance and its consequences. Blatant non-compliance and shouting it about everywhere will get you ignored in the end.

[Kenmoria]

I thought that the worst thing that could happen from claiming non-compliance, at least on the WA’s side, was to cause the annoyance of other World Assembly members who already know that compliance is mandatory.

Embargoes, asset freezes and normalized relations would depend on the decision of the nations involved with the alleged non-compliant nation. If I recall correctly, the WA only kicks out a member state if (1) they are caught having more than one nation in the WA, (2) plagiarism, or (3) they submitted too many illegal proposals over a period of time.

(OOC: There is the Administrative Compliance Act, which deals with noncompliance from the perspective of the General Assembly. A noncompliant nations has to pay fines which will be however high are needed to reasonably coerce following of GA resolutions.)

[Wallenburg]

I am very offended at this passage. Why must we recognize. This gender confusion is nonsense. I do not support this act one bit. It isnt very fair to nations that are conservative and old fashioned.

OOC:
As am I. If you would read my spoiler. I left the WA due to it. NationStates is outweighed by liberal progressive socialists to the conservative capitalists or even the libertarians.

1) Liberalism and socialism are incompatible
2) I wish the WA were dominated by socialists, unfortunately it is very capitalist

This passage has shown the vast outnumbering of us. Lucky for you and me something as barbaric as that would never pass in real life because people in the political field usually have more common sense. Even Hillary Clinton wouldn't support this. It is unethical, and countless doctors have said that children should not be introduced to hormone therapy.

Source?

Children can be deceived by the media or by family. This has happened countless times, and kids go on hormones. When this said child grows up some of them regret it. But at that point it is irreversible.

Source?

Also, personally, I have seen a lot evidence pointing to the fact that Gender Dysphoria does not even exist. One of the best points I can make is that no other animal in nature (that does not switch sex naturally, such as some frogs) has gender dysphoria.

Gender is a human construct, ofc you won't observe dysphoria in animals.

Gender Dysphoria also did not exist until the past 70 years or so. Homosexuality is a different story, I am not talking about that.

PTSD wasn't widely recognized as a thing 70 years ago either. Is PTSD fake too?

May I also add that some chemicals in foods, soaps, sunscreen, skin lotion, and other items can cause hormone imbalance. That can unfortunately lead to Gender Dysphoria.

Source?

A better resolution would by increasing funds for psychiatric help for those who may have Gender Dysphoria.

The better solution is to treat symptoms rather than the root cause of the dysphoria?

If you disagree with me that is your right but it is wrong to force me to have this. I could continue but I have to go. I rest my case.

It is wrong to oppress transpeople. Put that on your plate.

[Catsfern]

Well it seems the market is good enough because when this passed it didn’t raise my tax rates so I’m alright with this passing, transgender people get their hormones and the government still doesn’t have to do much, everyone wins.

[Araraukar]

I still don't see why Nations have a problem with this.

OOC: Me neither.

Transphobia is one helluva drug

IC: "Certainly it seems to cause what could only be called hallucinations, and inability to read the resolution."

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OOC: Congrats for passing this and indeed thanks to all who voted - and all who remained civil when saying why they voted against. Here's victory dance music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrO8-DJHOsk