Kekanistanpines wrote:I cannot vote in favor of any piece of legislation that uses the word "ought" in its proposal.
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by Morover » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:34 am
Kekanistanpines wrote:I cannot vote in favor of any piece of legislation that uses the word "ought" in its proposal.
by Grand Empire of Luxembourg » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:41 am
by Grenartia » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:42 am
Grand Empire of Luxembourg wrote:The fact that a nation would be forced to provide "transgenders" with unneeded hormone care is outrageous. It is always possible to travel to foreign countries and obtain illegal therapy there.
by Attempted Socialism » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:44 am
Precisely, you don't know enough to participate meaningfully in this debate. I don't know who you are, but your words alone show that your opinions are based on misinformation, rather than any basis in facts.West Heisen wrote:Attempted Socialism wrote:OOC: I don't think most of the drive-by posters against the proposal are able to differentiate between sex, gender and genderroles. Several have quite clearly confused them.
OOC: Sex and Gender are and have always been synonymous, and I have not yet seen a compelling argument as to why they are suddenly different now. Also, aren't 'gender roles' against the very nature of progressivism? Men and women can do whatever they want; their gender is irrelevant, yes? Men and women do different things naturally, it's part of the biological differences, but we shouldn't act as though liking 'girly' things makes you a girl, for example. Also, people who claim they are non binary do exist, but non binary people don't exist. One could say there is a spectrum from male personality/behaviour to female, but not perfectly fitting into the stereotypical man/woman category doesn't mean you are something else entirely. People often bring up intersex, but that is 1. simply a genetic abnormality, just as someone might be born with 6 fingers, and 2. the said person almost always has very defining characteristics of one gender, they are not directly in between.
Furthermore, if I told you I was a dragon, you obviously wouldn't believe it. If I told you I was a woman, you probably would believe it. It doesn't really matter. Personally, I choose to judge people based on the content of their character, not whatever they 'identify' as. So there's really no need to tell people what you 'identify' as, since it has no tangible effect on anything.
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by Separatist Peoples » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:50 am
Grand Empire of Luxembourg wrote:The fact that a nation would be forced to provide "transgenders" with unneeded hormone care is outrageous. It is always possible to travel to foreign countries and obtain illegal therapy there.
by Boisonia » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:58 am
by Araraukar » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:04 pm
Saciu wrote:OOC: This is kind of confusing. How can you be nb and male?
Fushiya wrote:Forgive me if I am not fully understanding what's written but which is it? Mental illness or not?
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Wallenburg » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:07 pm
Grand Empire of Luxembourg wrote:The fact that a nation would be forced to provide "transgenders" with unneeded hormone care is outrageous. It is always possible to travel to foreign countries and obtain illegal therapy there.
by Araraukar » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:10 pm
Wallenburg wrote:Grand Empire of Luxembourg wrote:The fact that a nation would be forced to provide "transgenders" with unneeded hormone care is outrageous. It is always possible to travel to foreign countries and obtain illegal therapy there.
Imagine unironically wanting people to go through expensive, dangerous, and illegal procedures rather than affordable, safe, and legal ones.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Heavens Host » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:12 pm
by Grenartia » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:15 pm
Heavens Host wrote:Heaven officially declared war on the world assembly. The reason for this declaration is as follows: Mandating the normalization and acceptance of degenerate transsexuals, Seeking to put men in women’s prisons, and worst of all defiling the image of God with unnatural hormones.
All who stand for decency unite against this anti moral menace!
Hail Christ!!!
by Araraukar » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:19 pm
Grenartia wrote:Christ came to my BBQ last week to congratulate me on my transition.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by San Felix » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:21 pm
Heavens Host wrote:Heaven officially declared war on the world assembly. The reason for this declaration is as follows: Mandating the normalization and acceptance of degenerate transsexuals, Seeking to put men in women’s prisons, and worst of all defiling the image of God with unnatural hormones.
All who stand for decency unite against this anti moral menace!
Hail Christ!!!
by Grenartia » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:21 pm
by San Felix » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:27 pm
by Separatist Peoples » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:43 pm
Heavens Host wrote:Heaven officially declared war on the world assembly. The reason for this declaration is as follows: Mandating the normalization and acceptance of degenerate transsexuals, Seeking to put men in women’s prisons, and worst of all defiling the image of God with unnatural hormones.
All who stand for decency unite against this anti moral menace!
Hail Christ!!!
by Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:46 pm
Heavens Host wrote:Heaven officially declared war on the world assembly. The reason for this declaration is as follows: Mandating the normalization and acceptance of degenerate transsexuals, Seeking to put men in women’s prisons, and worst of all defiling the image of God with unnatural hormones.
All who stand for decency unite against this anti moral menace!
Hail Christ!!!
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by Central Asian Republics » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:58 pm
by Kenmoria » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:05 pm
Central Asian Republics wrote:Yet another worthless piece of platitude forward by the GA; rather than forbidding nations from banning access to hormone therapy, this resolution forces nations to simply provide "affordable" treatment without anything indicating how that could be done.
by New Ossiron » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:20 pm
by Fushiya » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:23 pm
Araraukar wrote:Saciu wrote:OOC: This is kind of confusing. How can you be nb and male?
OOC: I identify as 75% male, 25% non-female. So as "non-female-non-male" is really what non-binary is, the total sum of treatments and expression (like using a male name, and male pronouns in English; my native language, Finnish, doesn't have gendered pronouns to begin with) is on the male side of the slider between female and male, but not all the way at the male end. I was assigned female at birth.Fushiya wrote:Forgive me if I am not fully understanding what's written but which is it? Mental illness or not?
OOC: Being transgender is no more a mental illness than being cisgender is. It's basically just a different setting in your brain, something you can't affect yourself. So it's a mental condition, but not an illness. Think of it as how being shy is also a mental condition, but not a mental illness.
Gender dysphoria (the difference between the self-image of the mind and the body) can be classified as a mental illness (though, so can grieving, so I'm not entirely convinced by that classification) in that it can cause clinical depression and anxiety disorders and all kinds of nasty mental health things. Since treating each of those separately would not actually help (think of how, if you got repeately hit on the head every day, and went to complain about that, if the doctor just treated your headache instead of tackling the cause of the headache, your problems would continue), treating the cause - the body being/presenting as wrong sex - does help. It's not a cure-all, and usually you also need additional therapy or even medications, but it helps make the treatments for the "side-effects" more effective.
Hope that helps. If you're still confused, TG me.
by Vrama » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:32 pm
by Kenmoria » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:56 pm
New Ossiron wrote:" The Glorious Republic rejects this proposal in its current state and will, therefore, be voting against. Despite this, we would like to make clear that we openly admire and condone the resolution and its intent.
The Glorious Republic wishes to highlight that it does not aline itself with many of the views expressed by those opposing the resolution, however, a number of areas within the proposal cause us deep concern and form the basis of our opposition.
We wish to emphasise the three key issues that currently influence our decision:
1. We believe the proposal could introduce a potential threat to children by giving them the autonomy to make life-changing decisions before we can be sure they are fully understanding of the consequences. Therefore, we would like a minimum age for hormone therapy to be included within the document, or for states to be allowed the freedom to implement their own age restrictions upon hormone therapies. If this was done the New Ossironian People would be significantly more likely to lend support in favour of the resolution.
2. We are of the belief that identifying as transgender is a "mental illness" (as opposed to a physical one, despite possibly having physical consequences) and would, therefore, like to see this removed from the resolution. However, this is a matter of categorisation and is overall of little importance.
3. Finally, we believe that the proposal may contradict itself in points 2 and 4. Point 2 states that "[transgender] experiences are not the product of 'mental illness'", while point 4 claims that "[transgenderism is] like any mental condition". We would like to see this possible conflict addressed.
Thank you. "
Vrama wrote:Namaste,
His Sacred Majesty wishes me to inform the GA that this proposal is unacceptable.
Further, the Vrama regards this proposal as illegal and invalid ab initio, for it is contrary to nature.
Such activity, without the permission of the Ministry of Justice, is illegal and shall remain so.
by Catsfern » Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:03 pm
by Kyrgwalaey » Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:19 pm
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