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Postby Morover » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:09 pm

Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:If you don't want to be male or female, that's fine, but don't shove it down our throats like this resolution is.

"This doesn't 'shove it down your throat,' as you put it, ambassador. It merely mandates that member-states must allow transgender people to make a choice. It doesn't require any of your other citizens to do anything regarding that choice."

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:27 pm

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Postby Borovan entered the region as he » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:31 pm

Ashley Barnes with her blond hair and charisma in her high pitched enthused voice, " I support the resolution. I really think it's cool that the people are getting helped and it makes me feel great. For those who oppose I just don't understand why. Maybe they are just different being raised but you know me I'm a city gal "
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Postby Sterkistan » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:07 pm

"While I do support free choice for adults to do whatever they wish with their bodies. This resolution struggles to make important long-term progress. I believe research has to be done to investigate the true cause of gender dysphoria and why there is still a 46% suicide rate for pre and post-op transgender people. If a supposedly 'life-saving' treatment is not yielding adequate results then research must be done to find an alternative that works."
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Postby Tinfect » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:23 pm

Sterkistan wrote:"While I do support free choice for adults to do whatever they wish with their bodies. This resolution struggles to make important long-term progress. I believe research has to be done to investigate the true cause of gender dysphoria and why there is still a 46% suicide rate for pre and post-op transgender people. If a supposedly 'life-saving' treatment is not yielding adequate results then research must be done to find an alternative that works."


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Postby Aspistania » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:52 pm

"This resolution has our nation's full and enthusiastic support, and we applaud the World Assembly for taking up such important and lifesaving measures to aid a community that is too often marginalized and persecuted in other nations."

OOC: Not even going to waste my time looking through this thread, I'm sure it's filled with the same debunked arguments the anti-trans crowd always make. Glad to see they're being outvoted, though.

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Postby United Massachusetts » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:07 pm

What are you, fucking stupid to propose a resolution to make affordable transgender hormone therapy??? I know this is just the game, but this isn't about that it's about how filthy minds like you have been poisoned, and are hurting others with your dumbass ideas. If you have personal problems then fine and sort them out yourself but don't drag the rest of us down with ya you hear? bitch.
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Postby Grenartia » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:12 pm

Sancta Romana Ecclesia wrote:My OOC view are mostly the same. The case of John Money's "sex re-assignment" of David Reimer particularly makes me believe that this is just not the way to go in treating gender dysphoria (formerly known as gender identity disorder). John Money basically pioneered the currently accepted gender theory.]


If anything, David Reimer's case shows that forcing a given gender identity on someone is a terrible idea, and so affirming trans people's gender identity is the only ethical way to go.
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Postby Castelia » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:49 pm

A statement from Ambassador Gilles Killroy, Castelian Representative to the World Assembly:

"The Benevolent Republic of Castelia shall be voting AGAINST this proposal, in line with the current Castelian policy regarding World Assembly affairs: which is simply to vote AGAINST to any liberal proposal.

However, let it be said that while our official government policy will be to vote AGAINST, the Castelian government and people wholeheartedly support this proposal and hope it passes. We support any law that brings further civil freedoms to the Castelian people, and we believe that recognizing the plight of transgender people and allowing them the ability to afford hormone therapy in Castelian hospitals is in the best interests of the Castelian people."

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Postby WikiPlay » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:53 pm

Sterkistan wrote:"While I do support free choice for adults to do whatever they wish with their bodies. This resolution struggles to make important long-term progress. I believe research has to be done to investigate the true cause of gender dysphoria and why there is still a 46% suicide rate for pre and post-op transgender people. If a supposedly 'life-saving' treatment is not yielding adequate results then research must be done to find an alternative that works."


Because you and the general society isn't educated enough about LGBT. They are still rejected to get a LEGAL job, bosses or recruiters think it the wrong way suppose a 80yyear old women see a transgender and their religion or beliefs are to see it as a mental illness. As LGBT itself I have a paper on my desk with5 50 rejected applications and still no job. The fiscus lost a few 100000 euros because of the black market and the money is gone on a secret tropical place so that there is no single evidence of the money. This job is way better paid then earning no money at all and meanwhile I make people happy. In the case of transgender they are forced to prostitution against their will. Things go really wrong with friendly criminal gangs like a high ranked person who I ever met to have sex with a true crime millionaire I refuse to tell more. It's not my fault, it's yours!
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Postby Deuctland » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:52 pm

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The World Assembly, by the advice and consent of the delegates and member nations thereof, and by the authority of the same, hereby:

Submits the following as fact:
  1. Transgender and gender non-binary people are real.
  2. Their experiences are not the product of "mental illness," "confusion," "disease," or anything of the sort -- rather, their understanding of their relationship to the world in the lens of gender does not correspond with their biological sex.
  3. Their first-hand accounts of this understanding are real; each person is in the best position to understand and discern their own gender identity.
  4. Any distress arising from this real disconnect between sex and gender is referred to as gender dysphoria -- like any mental condition, it ought to be treated.
  5. Further, it ought to be treated in a manner that respects the fundamental facts: that transgender and non-binary individuals' experiences are real, and that their gender identity is not the same as their birth sex.
  6. One such way to resolve the distress is through hormone therapy, and the choice to pursue or not to pursue such treatment ought to rest firmly in the hands of the individual, rather than in the hands of the state.
Defines, for the purposes of this resolution, "hormone therapy" as a medical treatment involving the use of naturally occurring hormones for the purpose of altering one's secondary sex characteristics to more accurately reflect their gender identity,

Requires all member-states to legalize hormone therapy for all consenting individuals,

Requires all member-states to have an affordable, easy-to-access way for its transgender population to access hormone therapy,

Forbids any member-state from denying a transgender person access to hormone therapy as a punishment or as part of a punishment for a crime,

Forbids any member-state from forcing an individual to undergo hormone therapy.

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IC: "Somewhat surprised this specific subject hasn't been legislated on, thus far."

OOC: I know that I have several other drafts up on the forums currently, but I do want to get this out there while it's still fresh on my mind. This will likely be my last draft for a bit, but I don't want to wait too long on it.

That being said, I did do a bit of research on the subject, but I'm by no means an expert on it. I believe I got most things correct, but there is a rather sizeable chance that this is somewhat inaccurate. If somebody with more experience in this area could give me some insight, that would be greatly appreciated.

THIS IDEA IS PREPOSTEROUS! All people who are resident of a country should have to register as a man or woman, otherwise thay are an animal and should be treated as such.

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Postby Grenartia » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:54 pm

Deuctland wrote:THIS IDEA IS PREPOSTEROUS! All people who are resident of a country should have to register as a man or woman, otherwise thay are an animal and should be treated as such.


If anything is preposterous, ambassador, its what you just said.

Also, I'm pretty sure that treating people like animals violates several already-existing WA resolutions.
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Postby West Heisen » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:57 pm

I urge nations to vote against this resolution. While it is understandable that this motion aims to ensure legal access to hormone therapy, I take issue with the 'affordable' part. What defines affordable? Furthermore, if it is not affordable in a country, it would fall upon the government to make it so. This would use important tax money on something which is a private decision; citizens should not be forced to pay for another's gender identity.
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Postby John Stossel » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:03 am

I am against this on the grounds that the wording is inconsistent and that it appears to require governments to provide their own service, rather than to allow the private sector to provide it on its own.
Examples:
2. Their experiences are not the product of "mental illness," "confusion," "disease," or anything of the sort -- rather, their understanding of their relationship to the world in the lens of gender does not correspond with their biological sex.
4.Any distress arising from this real disconnect between sex and gender is referred to as gender dysphoria -- like any mental condition, it ought to be treated.
Requires all member-states to have an affordable, easy-to-access way for its transgender population to access hormone therapy

Until the above inconsistency is resolved and states are not required to provide a government service for this, I must vote against. I am entirely in favour of allowing individuals to make their own decisions.

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Postby Catsfern » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:12 am

West Heisen wrote:OOC: The 'facts' are poppycock, but I'm not going to debate it right now.

I urge nations to vote against this resolution. While it is understandable that this motion aims to ensure legal access to hormone therapy, I take issue with the 'affordable' part. What defines affordable? Furthermore, if it is not affordable in a country, it would fall upon the government to make it so. This would use important tax money on something which is a private decision; citizens should not be forced to pay for another's gender identity.

John Stossel wrote:I am against this on the grounds that the wording is inconsistent and that it appears to require governments to provide their own service, rather than to allow the private sector to provide it on its own.
Examples:
2. Their experiences are not the product of "mental illness," "confusion," "disease," or anything of the sort -- rather, their understanding of their relationship to the world in the lens of gender does not correspond with their biological sex.
4.Any distress arising from this real disconnect between sex and gender is referred to as gender dysphoria -- like any mental condition, it ought to be treated.
Requires all member-states to have an affordable, easy-to-access way for its transgender population to access hormone therapy

Until the above inconsistency is resolved and states are not required to provide a government service for this, I must vote against. I am entirely in favour of allowing individuals to make their own decisions.


This is in general why I also am against this resolution, I have no problem with transgender people doing their own thing, I have a problem with my tax rates going up in order to accommodate a poorly defined level of affordability.
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Postby WikiPlay » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:19 am

John Stossel wrote:I am against this on the grounds that the wording is inconsistent and that it appears to require governments to provide their own service, rather than to allow the private sector to provide it on its own.
Examples:
2. Their experiences are not the product of "mental illness," "confusion," "disease," or anything of the sort -- rather, their understanding of their relationship to the world in the lens of gender does not correspond with their biological sex.
4.Any distress arising from this real disconnect between sex and gender is referred to as gender dysphoria -- like any mental condition, it ought to be treated.
Requires all member-states to have an affordable, easy-to-access way for its transgender population to access hormone therapy

Until the above inconsistency is resolved and states are not required to provide a government service for this, I must vote against. I am entirely in favour of allowing individuals to make their own decisions.


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Postby West Heisen » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:22 am

WikiPlay wrote:
John Stossel wrote:I am against this on the grounds that the wording is inconsistent and that it appears to require governments to provide their own service, rather than to allow the private sector to provide it on its own.
Examples:

Until the above inconsistency is resolved and states are not required to provide a government service for this, I must vote against. I am entirely in favour of allowing individuals to make their own decisions.


The black steroid market find thisaa brilliant idea: no government control. Who can guarantee the quality of the products and surgeries done by friends or a self surgery with infected needles, hitting veins, get sick of infections. Think twice dude.

I don't think they were against government regulation; I think they opposed the government itself providing the service. The private sector could very well manage it, proving that they are up to a safe standard.
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Postby Catsfern » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:25 am

West Heisen wrote:
WikiPlay wrote:
The black steroid market find thisaa brilliant idea: no government control. Who can guarantee the quality of the products and surgeries done by friends or a self surgery with infected needles, hitting veins, get sick of infections. Think twice dude.

I don't think they were against government regulation; I think they opposed the government itself providing the service. The private sector could very well manage it, proving that they are up to a safe standard.


thats exactly me belief, in general what I worry most about this resolution is interpretation, Some may interpret it as the government being required to step in, other may say as long as theres a service for it in the market who cares. im personally in the latter camp and I don't want to see the effects of the former.
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Postby United Massachusetts » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:26 am

John Stossel wrote:I am against this on the grounds that the wording is inconsistent and that it appears to require governments to provide their own service, rather than to allow the private sector to provide it on its own.
Examples:
2. Their experiences are not the product of "mental illness," "confusion," "disease," or anything of the sort -- rather, their understanding of their relationship to the world in the lens of gender does not correspond with their biological sex.
4.Any distress arising from this real disconnect between sex and gender is referred to as gender dysphoria -- like any mental condition, it ought to be treated.
Requires all member-states to have an affordable, easy-to-access way for its transgender population to access hormone therapy

Until the above inconsistency is resolved and states are not required to provide a government service for this, I must vote against. I am entirely in favour of allowing individuals to make their own decisions.

The distress is the illness. Not the identity itself.
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Postby Bear Connors Paradiso » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:47 am

United Massachusetts wrote:
What are you, fucking stupid to propose a resolution to make affordable transgender hormone therapy??? I know this is just the game, but this isn't about that it's about how filthy minds like you have been poisoned, and are hurting others with your dumbass ideas. If you have personal problems then fine and sort them out yourself but don't drag the rest of us down with ya you hear? bitch.
How ironic that the "Roman Catholic: Commonwealth of United Massachusetts would propose such an idiot idea.

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Postby Bear Connors Paradiso » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:50 am

Grenartia wrote:
Deuctland wrote:THIS IDEA IS PREPOSTEROUS! All people who are resident of a country should have to register as a man or woman, otherwise thay are an animal and should be treated as such.


If anything is preposterous, ambassador, its what you just said.

Also, I'm pretty sure that treating people like animals violates several already-existing WA resolutions.

Wasn't one WA resolution that all animals/furries get the same human rights?

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Postby John Stossel » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:01 am

United Massachusetts wrote:
John Stossel wrote:I am against this on the grounds that the wording is inconsistent and that it appears to require governments to provide their own service, rather than to allow the private sector to provide it on its own.
Examples:

Until the above inconsistency is resolved and states are not required to provide a government service for this, I must vote against. I am entirely in favour of allowing individuals to make their own decisions.

The distress is the illness. Not the identity itself.

Unfortunately this remains logically inconsistent, if their experiences include distress at their disconnect between biological sex and gender identity, then their experiences are the result of a mental condition.

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Postby Lamebrainia » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:07 am

People are seriously voting for this? I don't even want to go into ridiculing affordable treatments for mentally ill people (yes, "gender dysphoria" is a mental illness, despite what the resolution says), but one of the statements in the resolution is a blatant, unscientific lie: "gender non-binary people are real". No, they're not. Yeah, sure, their condition is subjectively real for them, but it doesn't mean said reality should be forced onto others. I mean, I might be hearing animals talk to me, but it doesn't mean that the government should subsidise a place for me in the zoo, where I can exhibit my imaginary skill. I haven't commented on any other resolutions before, but this one was so ridiculous I even had to step out of character.

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Postby Araraukar » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:16 am

OOC: I am a non-binary transmale and I have a gender diagnosis to prove it. Anyone claiming that is not a real thing, can feel free to take it up with the Real Life state of Finland. Also, unless you have an official paper declaring your gender - not your sex - why should I believe you claiming to be what you are?
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