[PASSED] Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy

[Freepublican]

I will only vote for this with 2 changes made. No treatment is to be allowed until the age of consent is reached. Remove the part about the state providing easy and affordable access. That is a market matter.

[Ard al Islam]

Hey, can y'all stop bad mouthing me? I just left the WA so its legislation wouldn't apply to my nation. And that had nothing to do with politics or beliefs; this is a fucking game, for God's sake!

Although I'll admit, I was inspired to do this when representatives from Muslim countries in the real-world UN walked out of a meeting talking about gay rights.

OOC: Nobody is badmouthing you. We're asking why it matters in the least what the WA does if you're not part of it.

I jus explained that. I only left so this particular legislation wouldn't affect my nation, and I will return soon after it passes. Is that so hard to understand?

[Novo Vaticanus]

Only a demonized brain would launch that issue. it's sick and ungodly. An insult to our Lord and Savior.

In Novo Abrahamia "transgenderness" is treated as a mental illness. No matter that the WA decides it's gonna stay that way.

That's gonna be a HARD agree from me chief, God bless ya.

[Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories]

I will only vote for this with 2 changes made. No treatment is to be allowed until the age of consent is reached. Remove the part about the state providing easy and affordable access. That is a market matter.

See how the capitalist dogs meet the cries of those in need. Their precious markets are built from the bones of the workers, and there is no compassion to be found among those butcher's stalls.

[Kenmoria]

OOC: Nobody is badmouthing you. We're asking why it matters in the least what the WA does if you're not part of it.

I jus explained that. I only left so this particular legislation wouldn't affect my nation, and I will return soon after it passes. Is that so hard to understand?

(OOC: Legislation mandates compliance from nations no matter when they are in the WA. You are still bound by every GA resolutions, even the ones that were passed before your nation was even created. Otherwise, everyone would just leave and rejoin all the time.

Unless of course you are referring to stats, but those are quite minor changes and don’t have much relevance in this forum.)

[Freepublican]

I will only vote for this with 2 changes made. No treatment is to be allowed until the age of consent is reached. Remove the part about the state providing easy and affordable access. That is a market matter.

See how the capitalist dogs meet the cries of those in need. Their precious markets are built from the bones of the workers, and there is no compassion to be found among those butcher's stalls.

LOL

[Catsfern]

I will only vote for this with 2 changes made. No treatment is to be allowed until the age of consent is reached. Remove the part about the state providing easy and affordable access. That is a market matter.

See how the capitalist dogs meet the cries of those in need. Their precious markets are built from the bones of the workers, and there is no compassion to be found among those butcher's stalls.

ok calm down Stalin
honestly though Transgenerism is allowed but not really main stream in Catsfern, so why should the government inverse taxes on everyone for the niche minute percent of the population, I fully support their right to exist and get hormone therapy, but im leaving it to the market to determine what the "affordable price" is

[Sancta Romana Ecclesia]

I will only vote for this with 2 changes made. No treatment is to be allowed until the age of consent is reached. Remove the part about the state providing easy and affordable access. That is a market matter.

ooc: Resolutions can't undergo edits once submitted.

[Wallenburg]

OOC: Nobody is badmouthing you. We're asking why it matters in the least what the WA does if you're not part of it.

I jus explained that. I only left so this particular legislation wouldn't affect my nation, and I will return soon after it passes. Is that so hard to understand?

Resigning for the passage of a resolution only affects the stats of your nation. You are still required to comply ICly with this resolution once you return to membership.

[Farnhamia]

OOC: Separatist, i truly think you are an idiot, and someone who likes attempting to belittle others instead of just keeping it to yourself. Although saying this is gonna trigger your sensitivity alarm and im sure youll report it, as you have every other time. Im pretty sure that, while muted, youre still just poking fun of me, which is ok, i can take it, you clearly cant

"Since the ambassador of separatist, as well as others, mostly on the liberal left, believe that we are out of our minds as well as irrelevant in the WA, allow me to give you an actual argument on this hogwash.

When talking about being against gender mutilation/dysphoria/fake change etc, there are an issue i would think makes this law somewhat 'unconstitutional' so to speak, in most of you democracy-loving nations.

First and foremost, the issue of Religion, which, in a good chunk of nations, tends to be the leadership, i.e. theocracies, religious monarchies/republics and so on. In most religions, where God is an almighty figure, and his written word is the law of the land, trannies are forbidden from heaven. This includes homosexuals, actual satanists, capitalists, those who commit crimes, etc. Mutilation of the body is a slap in God's face, as, supposedly, your body, as well as whom you are, is supposed to be God's image of you. While an atheist myself and admittedly somewhat ill-read on religious texts, i am quite familiar with those that gods claim to love and hate. If this proposal becomes law, this would violate the basic freedoms of expression of religion, as well as the ability to follow religious practices freely. Assuming that you follow some of the basic rights that were laws in America, where the 1st Amendment is sacred, you will, simply put, outlaw part of your rights to your people.

A prime example would be the individual who just left the WA. Because i can only assume that this proposal violates the some parts of Islam. While i think its a backwards religion in general, it is still part of the religious argument. Most, if not all religions believe that the gender you are given at birth is the one you live out your life as. Granted, if a man becomes gay or a woman a lesbian, then they no longer religiously acceptable.

If this passes, this also means that, for example, a religious shopkeep who refuses to serve a transgender individual because it goes against their religious beliefs, can now have their business revoked, be shamed by the public, or even arrested and jailed, for expressing their right to religious freedoms. This, i would assume, means that the government either has to unlawfully modify their religion (modifying the law of god would be unacceptable in his eyes), found a new religion, or outlaw religion completely, which results in the changing of the rights that are guaranteed by your citizens.

I might finally add that i for one could simply revoke citizenship, as i already do, to trannies, and take advantage of a huge loophole in the proposal. Forcing me to allow them to keep their citizenship would seem pretty dictatorial in a supposed 'democratic' assembly.

If you are going to force us to follow this bu-humbug, i suggest that you take the time to modify it, so that it allows for a nation to somehow follow this proposal, without having to sacrifice their religious beliefs.

OOC: There, and if somehow you still want to keep at it separatist, well it proves that muting you was probably a solid choice, and my thoughts about you wont really change. On the other hand, i hope that this shows you that i have plenty a mind to argue, im admittedly just too lazy to do so, and dont really like most of you guys anyway lol

*** Warned for flaming ***

[Farnhamia]

Only a demonized brain would launch that issue. it's sick and ungodly. An insult to our Lord and Savior.

In Novo Abrahamia "transgenderness" is treated as a mental illness. No matter that the WA decides it's gonna stay that way.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and come down on the side of you posting in-character with that "demonized brain" remark. My advice is, do not get into the habit of making such pronouncements, even when speaking as your nation. It can get you in trouble elsewhere in the forums.

[New Sayoni]

OOC: Gosh, it seems like the line between in character and ooc is getting pretty blurred when it comes to this. :/

IC: We will continue to support this legislation for the benefit of all.

[Frachen]

I see nothing good coming out of this. What is the benefit of transgenderism? Nothing to be honest. What? You identify more with the opposite sex? That doesn't mean your not a male/female depending on your position. The people are lost and confused, the hormone therapy is shown to be a solution, but it can turn out very bad, their bodies were made to produce certain hormones, and placing alien ones in there messes with your natural chemistry. This is sad that we are sending people on their merry way to destruction.

[The Greater Union of Man]

Seeing as the Imperial Union recognizes the Human biology to be the utmost and holiest truth, we will not recognize any proposal that goes contrary to it. The fundamental premise that one can identify contrary to their biology is false. While we support the rights of one to act in their own private life as they wish, we cannot vote contrary to the fundamental principles of Truth, Humanity, and Liberty upon which the Imperial Union is founded.

However, if a unanimous vote were achieved in our regional polling, we would undergo efforts to alter the nature of the Human species, rendering this moot.

[American Pere Housh]

"The Confederate Republic absolutely opposes this proposal in all forms."

Ambassador Jonathan Delacroix

[Tunis Algeris]

I love how this bill says "Their experiences are not the product of "mental illness," "confusion," "disease," or anything of the sort -- rather, their understanding of their relationship to the world in the lens of gender does not correspond with their biological sex" even though this whole thing is based off of the implications of a person feeling like a gender they are not (which is a mental thing). If this weren't contradicting even then so effort and resources shouldn't be put in someone by the government just because said person is feeling girly that day and they are a boy.

[Che Triumphant]

Imposing artificial hormones on healthy children, who can in no real sense provide consent, is unethical.

"This is an issue I struggled with - because, in many nations, the age of majority is often higher than needed to be given access to these hormones - but young children shouldn't be given a choice to do something they do not understand. I considered using the term 'sexual maturity,' but that does seem a bit ambiguous on the subject. For now, I will keep the clause as-is, at least until I can figure out a way to prohibit young children from making a decision such as this, without unnecessarily restricting those who understand the process."

You could just do what the process is in real life, give children puberty blockers so that they can at the very least avoid becoming more visibly what our society would consider a boy or girl to look like and then go from there, simply taking them off the blockers if they change their mind or giving them surgery, obviously waiting until they are developed enough to make that decision

[The Eternal Kawaii]

I love how this bill says "Their experiences are not the product of "mental illness," "confusion," "disease," or anything of the sort -- rather, their understanding of their relationship to the world in the lens of gender does not correspond with their biological sex" even though this whole thing is based off of the implications of a person feeling like a gender they are not (which is a mental thing). If this weren't contradicting even then so effort and resources shouldn't be put in someone by the government just because said person is feeling girly that day and they are a boy.

In the Name of the Eternal Kawaii, may the Cute One be praised

This proposal is based on a false premise, as the ambassador from Tunis Algeris correctly points out. "Gender dysphoria" is a mental illness by definition. If a person has a healthy, unflawed set of sexual organs, but their mind tells them that they're of the wrong sort, then the only logical conclusion that can be drawn is that the person's mind is flawed.

[Sierra Lyricalia]

"Damn. Nothing, but nothing, brings out the body fascists and the Dick Police like a proposal to treat people like human beings."

Men naturally have testosterone. Women have estrogen. But you cannot switch the two between the sexes.
This is an abomination for which I will not stand. It is a twisting of nature and, just because someone feels they belong to another gender, doesn't mean that they do. By this argument, I could just as well say that, because I believe I am God, that I am God. It's foolishness.

"And yet you're happy to make grand, sweeping - false, natch - decrees about 'nature' and what people can and can't do in their own lives. This dude doth protest too much, methinks."

Only a demonized brain would launch that issue. it's sick and ungodly. An insult to our Lord and Savior.

"Whose 'lord' is that, Sparky? I've never yet bagged an aristo, and technically the proscriptions ended most of a century ago, but I'm sure the House of Labor Rights will appreciate it if I drop one more oppressor."

Steph draws the CDSP-issued M37 .40 cal sidearm from her shiny new leather shoulder holster and checks the magazine, then puts it carefully back; then reaches into her satchel and withdraws her own trusty SLhA M2187 12mm rocket pistol in its hip holster, and straps that around her waist before repeating the process with that weapon.

"'Lords' here, Dick Police there... who wants some?" she booms with a wolfish grin.

[Tinfect]

I love how this bill says "Their experiences are not the product of "mental illness," "confusion," "disease," or anything of the sort -- rather, their understanding of their relationship to the world in the lens of gender does not correspond with their biological sex" even though this whole thing is based off of the implications of a person feeling like a gender they are not (which is a mental thing). If this weren't contradicting even then so effort and resources shouldn't be put in someone by the government just because said person is feeling girly that day and they are a boy.

In the Name of the Eternal Kawaii, may the Cute One be praised

This proposal is based on a false premise, as the ambassador from Tunis Algeris correctly points out. "Gender dysphoria" is a mental illness by definition. If a person has a healthy, unflawed set of sexual organs, but their mind tells them that they're of the wrong sort, then the only logical conclusion that can be drawn is that the person's mind is flawed.

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-fam ... -dysphoria
The science disagrees with you.

[Tunis Algeris]

In the Name of the Eternal Kawaii, may the Cute One be praised

This proposal is based on a false premise, as the ambassador from Tunis Algeris correctly points out. "Gender dysphoria" is a mental illness by definition. If a person has a healthy, unflawed set of sexual organs, but their mind tells them that they're of the wrong sort, then the only logical conclusion that can be drawn is that the person's mind is flawed.

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-fam ... -dysphoria
The science disagrees with you.

"Gender dysphoria involves a conflict between a person's physical or assigned gender and the gender with which he/she/they identify. People with gender dysphoria may be very uncomfortable with the gender they were assigned, sometimes described as being uncomfortable with their body (particularly developments during puberty) or being uncomfortable with the expected roles of their assigned gender.

People with gender dysphoria may often experience significant distress and/or problems functioning associated with this conflict between the way they feel and think of themselves (referred to as experienced or expressed gender) and their physical or assigned gender."

Sounds alot like a mental illness to me but this isn't about if it is or not. This bill has created a contradictory paradox where it has said in one part it isn't mental but use psychology to the Bill's advantage again so that way it can justify stealing government Reasources instead where those funds could be used for much better and real causes

[Peatiktist]

I'm voting against simply because I refuse to pay medical bills for an optional procedure on an otherwise healthy person.

[Pharexia]

"Thank you, Ambassador, for introducing this very important piece of legislation into the chamber. The contentious debate surrounding this topic is indicative of its complexity and displays the diverse viewpoints many countries hold surrounding the issue of gender and sexual identity. Due to my personal lack of experience in the psychiatric domain, I have spent extensive time consulting several of our nation's leading physicians, psychologists, and others who have experience treating gender dysphoria, and what I've learned from the scientific community is virtually unanimous: many transgender people who take feminizing or masculinizing hormones report improvement of emotions as their gender dysphoria lessens or resolves. We should be striving to provide the best care for our citizens, and hormone therapy has proven itself to be an effective means of doing so for some. Many of my colleagues, both foreign and domestic, have construed this bill as violating the freedom of religion of member states. However, I see no violation of freedom of religion here nor a requirement of 'acceptance' within this bill. We are simply ensuring that those who believe they would benefit from this treatment have the opportunity to access it. Therefore, the Government of Pharexia supports the adoption of this bill and will be voting yes."

[Union of Sovereign States and Republics]

So, I guess it's time for me to voice my vote.

I'm voting against this because of Clauses 1 and 5.

"Non-binary" is not a real excuse for not choosing to be one of the two genders (IN AN OFFICIAL WA RESOLUTION. I also do believe this IRL, but I want to clarify that you can be whatever you want to be privately as long as you don't force it like this resolution is). It also shouldn't be able to be forced on nations that don't want to adopt it, like yours truly.

If you don't want to be male or female, that's fine, but don't shove it down our throats like this resolution is.

[Inderlanda3]

We must vote against this as our sports will be unfair think about it a biological girl vs a bio man with more muscle mass but is allowed to compete because he ebelieves he can change his gender I satnd for gender expression dress up however you want you are free to do that but i will not refer to you as she if ur a man or they i will refer to you as your reg gender nor is it okay to change your gender as gender is a real thing