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Arcturus Novus
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:36 am

Does 2a.iii permit member nations to join alongside non-state actors in, say, civil wars against demonstrably unjust governments?
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Vrama
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Postby Vrama » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:16 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
Vrama wrote:Namaste,

The Most Sacred Kingdom, being committed to supporting world peace, order, and stability, hereby supports this Draft.

We knew you would. Imperium Anglorum has a long history of supporting world peace, and we're glad to see its crown dominions are in agreement.


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Araraukar
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Founded: May 14, 2007
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Araraukar » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:23 pm

Jebslund wrote:OOC: And the police are *also* part of the state.

OOC: Which has nothing to do with anything I said.

To UM: Thank you for the reply and I hope the definition won't cause too much trouble to you!
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Hence us attacking
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Imperium Anglorum
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:00 pm

Vrama wrote:The Most Sacred Kingdom is NOT a dominion of any nation, and any assertion thereof is a violation of GAR 2

ELSIE MORTIMER WELLESLEY: That's an interesting assessment... The Earl of Charleroi and the representatives of coalition forces don't concur with that claim. We would be happy to permit the entrance of third party representatives from United Massachusetts, Morover, Separatist Peoples, and Berlania to assess the current political status in the Dominion of Vrama. I have no hesitation in noting our profound disappointment in your government's banal assertions of territorial claims and control over an integral part of the United Commonwealth.

Araraukar wrote:Araraukar has no military ... has some parts of ... law enforcement ... and wouldn't be involved in anything beyond the nation's borders.

No self-help?

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Araraukar
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Araraukar » Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:36 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Araraukar wrote:Araraukar has no military ... has some parts of ... law enforcement ... and wouldn't be involved in anything beyond the nation's borders.

No self-help?

OOC: What does "self-help" mean in the context of law-enforcement?
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Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
Araraukar wrote:
Blueflarst wrote:a cosmopolitan hammer
United Massachusetts wrote:Can we all call ourselves "cosmopolitan hammers"?
Us cosmopolitan hammers
Can teach some manners
Often sorely lacking
Hence us attacking
Silly GA spammers

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Imperium Anglorum
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:19 am

Araraukar wrote:OOC: What does "self-help" mean in the context of law-enforcement?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... ez-Machain

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Araraukar
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Araraukar » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:52 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Araraukar wrote:OOC: What does "self-help" mean in the context of law-enforcement?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... ez-Machain

OOC: Are you sure you linked to the right article? Because I don't see any connection.
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Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
Araraukar wrote:
Blueflarst wrote:a cosmopolitan hammer
United Massachusetts wrote:Can we all call ourselves "cosmopolitan hammers"?
Us cosmopolitan hammers
Can teach some manners
Often sorely lacking
Hence us attacking
Silly GA spammers

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Imperium Anglorum
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:03 am


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United Massachusetts
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Postby United Massachusetts » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:47 am

We have excluded mercenaries. I'd like to move this towards submission soon, if possible.
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United Massachusetts
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Postby United Massachusetts » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:55 am

To be submitted soon.
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Pro-Life Social Democratic Catholic
Ambassador: Bishop Alexander Pierce

Deputy Outreach Minister, The Rejected Realms
Assistant: Father Carl Sullivan

President, Right to Life
Author/Co-author: 7 GA, 2 SC resolutions

Queen Yuno wrote:You have a very contradictory rep yourself, [UM].
Sanctaria wrote:We get it. You're pro-life.
Davelands wrote:(UM tries to slip another one by)
Wallenburg wrote:You've got to be the most ignorant person on this Discord.
Davelands wrote:Remember that United Mass is extremely on the religious right side. Look for hidden gotcha's for later. He is playing a long game with proposals...
Stat Crux dum volvitur orbis
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Araraukar
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Postby Araraukar » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:08 am

OOC: It looks good - except the last clause starting "and Further" instead of "And further" annoys my brain.
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Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
Araraukar wrote:
Blueflarst wrote:a cosmopolitan hammer
United Massachusetts wrote:Can we all call ourselves "cosmopolitan hammers"?
Us cosmopolitan hammers
Can teach some manners
Often sorely lacking
Hence us attacking
Silly GA spammers

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United Massachusetts
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Founded: Jan 17, 2016
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby United Massachusetts » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:11 am

Araraukar wrote:OOC: It looks good - except the last clause starting "and Further" instead of "And further" annoys my brain.

Fixed.
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Pro-Life Social Democratic Catholic
Ambassador: Bishop Alexander Pierce

Deputy Outreach Minister, The Rejected Realms
Assistant: Father Carl Sullivan

President, Right to Life
Author/Co-author: 7 GA, 2 SC resolutions

Queen Yuno wrote:You have a very contradictory rep yourself, [UM].
Sanctaria wrote:We get it. You're pro-life.
Davelands wrote:(UM tries to slip another one by)
Wallenburg wrote:You've got to be the most ignorant person on this Discord.
Davelands wrote:Remember that United Mass is extremely on the religious right side. Look for hidden gotcha's for later. He is playing a long game with proposals...
Stat Crux dum volvitur orbis
The Cross stands steady, though the Earth is turning


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Araraukar
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Araraukar » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:19 am

"Text looks good now, should submit it
Fault will always be found with it
But someone else will do that
I'll be off to stroke a cat."


OOC: As requested...
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Araraukar's RP reality is Modern Tech solarpunk.

Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
Araraukar wrote:
Blueflarst wrote:a cosmopolitan hammer
United Massachusetts wrote:Can we all call ourselves "cosmopolitan hammers"?
Us cosmopolitan hammers
Can teach some manners
Often sorely lacking
Hence us attacking
Silly GA spammers

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United Massachusetts
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Founded: Jan 17, 2016
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby United Massachusetts » Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:37 am

Will be submitted today at minor, barring further objection.
United Massachusetts
World Assembly Mission

Pro-Life Social Democratic Catholic
Ambassador: Bishop Alexander Pierce

Deputy Outreach Minister, The Rejected Realms
Assistant: Father Carl Sullivan

President, Right to Life
Author/Co-author: 7 GA, 2 SC resolutions

Queen Yuno wrote:You have a very contradictory rep yourself, [UM].
Sanctaria wrote:We get it. You're pro-life.
Davelands wrote:(UM tries to slip another one by)
Wallenburg wrote:You've got to be the most ignorant person on this Discord.
Davelands wrote:Remember that United Mass is extremely on the religious right side. Look for hidden gotcha's for later. He is playing a long game with proposals...
Stat Crux dum volvitur orbis
The Cross stands steady, though the Earth is turning


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United Massachusetts
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Postby United Massachusetts » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:09 am

This has been submitted, with some minor edits.
United Massachusetts
World Assembly Mission

Pro-Life Social Democratic Catholic
Ambassador: Bishop Alexander Pierce

Deputy Outreach Minister, The Rejected Realms
Assistant: Father Carl Sullivan

President, Right to Life
Author/Co-author: 7 GA, 2 SC resolutions

Queen Yuno wrote:You have a very contradictory rep yourself, [UM].
Sanctaria wrote:We get it. You're pro-life.
Davelands wrote:(UM tries to slip another one by)
Wallenburg wrote:You've got to be the most ignorant person on this Discord.
Davelands wrote:Remember that United Mass is extremely on the religious right side. Look for hidden gotcha's for later. He is playing a long game with proposals...
Stat Crux dum volvitur orbis
The Cross stands steady, though the Earth is turning


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Marxist Germany
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Corporate Bordello

Postby Marxist Germany » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:23 am

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Maowi
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Maowi » Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:50 am

OOC: Quorum reached!!!
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Separatist Peoples
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:55 am

"We are disappointed that the proposal does not go as far or work as effectively as it could. Nonetheless, we support it and hope for it's passage."

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Greater vakolicci haven
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Anarchy

Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:02 am

"Does this proposal prevent crusades in the name of almighty God against the forces of the Tyrant and his minions?" asked a very large man seated near the front.

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Araraukar
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Araraukar » Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:07 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:"Does this proposal prevent crusades in the name of almighty God against the forces of the Tyrant and his minions?" asked a very large man seated near the front.

"I should hope so," Linda said, apparently completely oblivious that the glitch in the Universal Translator that had made her speak in rhyme for several days, had been quietly fixed.
- Linda Äyrämäki, acting ambassador in the absence of miss Leveret
Araraukar's RP reality is Modern Tech solarpunk.

Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
Araraukar wrote:
Blueflarst wrote:a cosmopolitan hammer
United Massachusetts wrote:Can we all call ourselves "cosmopolitan hammers"?
Us cosmopolitan hammers
Can teach some manners
Often sorely lacking
Hence us attacking
Silly GA spammers

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Greater vakolicci haven
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Anarchy

Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:13 am

Araraukar wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:"Does this proposal prevent crusades in the name of almighty God against the forces of the Tyrant and his minions?" asked a very large man seated near the front.

"I should hope so," Linda said, apparently completely oblivious that the glitch in the Universal Translator that had made her speak in rhyme for several days, had been quietly fixed.

"But this is barbaric!" he snarled. "I represent Velstrania, one of the 3 provinces making up the Greater Vakolicci Haven. It is our holy duty to destroy tyranny whenever it is found!"

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Kenmoria
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Corporate Bordello

Postby Kenmoria » Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:53 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Araraukar wrote:"I should hope so," Linda said, apparently completely oblivious that the glitch in the Universal Translator that had made her speak in rhyme for several days, had been quietly fixed.

"But this is barbaric!" he snarled. "I represent Velstrania, one of the 3 provinces making up the Greater Vakolicci Haven. It is our holy duty to destroy tyranny whenever it is found!"

“If your god obeys the rules of this legislation, then there is no issue. Otherwise, your holy duty will have to change such that it in compliance, or be put aside until your deity drafts a successful repeal, assuming this proposal passes.”
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Greater vakolicci haven
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Anarchy

Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:58 am

Kenmoria wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:"But this is barbaric!" he snarled. "I represent Velstrania, one of the 3 provinces making up the Greater Vakolicci Haven. It is our holy duty to destroy tyranny whenever it is found!"

“If your god obeys the rules of this legislation, then there is no issue. Otherwise, your holy duty will have to change such that it in compliance, or be put aside until your deity drafts a successful repeal, assuming this proposal passes.”

"We cannot!" he looked outraged, "Velstrania only goes on crusades against tyrannical countries. We define tyranny as 'restricting the ability of the population to enjoy the right of the will. The right of the will is very important, you must know this. Does your nation restrict it?"

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Kenmoria
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Postby Kenmoria » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:04 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:“If your god obeys the rules of this legislation, then there is no issue. Otherwise, your holy duty will have to change such that it in compliance, or be put aside until your deity drafts a successful repeal, assuming this proposal passes.”

"We cannot!" he looked outraged, "Velstrania only goes on crusades against tyrannical countries. We define tyranny as 'restricting the ability of the population to enjoy the right of the will. The right of the will is very important, you must know this. Does your nation restrict it?"

“Preventing abuses of human rights does count as a legitimate cause for war according to this proposal. Therefore, assuming you first try diplomatic approaches to solve this problem, you have no extant treaties forbidding war, and the expected returns of the action will outweigh the costs, your action is perfectly legal.

I am assuming you mean the right to a will and testament by ‘right of the will’, which Kenmoria does not restrict at all. If you mean something else that is not internationally recognised, then your actions shan’t be legal.”
A representative democracy with a parliament of 535 seats
Kenmoria is Laissez-Faire on economy but centre-left on social issues
Located in Europe and border France to the right and Spain below
NS stats and policies are not canon, use the factbooks
Not in the WA despite coincidentally following nearly all resolutions
This is due to a problem with how the WA contradicts democracy
However we do have a WA mission and often participate in drafting
Current ambassador: James Lewitt

For more information, read the factbooks here.

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Greater vakolicci haven
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Anarchy

Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:11 am

Kenmoria wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:"We cannot!" he looked outraged, "Velstrania only goes on crusades against tyrannical countries. We define tyranny as 'restricting the ability of the population to enjoy the right of the will. The right of the will is very important, you must know this. Does your nation restrict it?"

“Preventing abuses of human rights does count as a legitimate cause for war according to this proposal. Therefore, assuming you first try diplomatic approaches to solve this problem, you have no extant treaties forbidding war, and the expected returns of the action will outweigh the costs, your action is perfectly legal.

I am assuming you mean the right to a will and testament by ‘right of the will’, which Kenmoria does not restrict at all. If you mean something else that is not internationally recognised, then your actions shan’t be legal.”

"No," he looked like he was about to preach, "The right to a will and testament would be 'the right to a will,' not 'the right of the will.' The right of the will is the protection of the right to live ones life how they fail to see it, and the recognition that the needs of society are as garbage when compared to the needs of individuals. For example. My name is Kelmusdriel nos Alarmanzis, and my position is that of a minister in the foreign affairs department of Velstrania. I, therefore, know quite a lot of information that I generally don't make public, because it might damage our reputation...however if we were asked by a Velsturman citizen to make it public he has enitiated his right of the will, and therefore the wishes of the government must come second to the right. Likewise, a military base is generally off limits. A citizen asks to go look around in it, he must be allowed to because this is his will. The government would really like to ban something for the protection of society...it can't, because it is the will of some people that it not be banned, and thus it must not be. This is the way our nation is ran in accordance with the wishes of God himself, and due to the global tyranny of much of the world groups of enterprising young crusaders regularly go, with or without the governments blessing, to liberate those living under the tyrants dominion. Do you understand now?"

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