[DEFEATED] Preventing Unjust Warfare

[Arcturus Novus]

Does 2a.iii permit member nations to join alongside non-state actors in, say, civil wars against demonstrably unjust governments?

[Vrama]

Namaste,

The Most Sacred Kingdom, being committed to supporting world peace, order, and stability, hereby supports this Draft.

We knew you would. Imperium Anglorum has a long history of supporting world peace, and we're glad to see its crown dominions are in agreement.

The Most Sacred Kingdom is NOT a dominion of any nation, and any assertion thereof is a violation of GAR 2

[Araraukar]

OOC: And the police are *also* part of the state.

OOC: Which has nothing to do with anything I said.

To UM: Thank you for the reply and I hope the definition won't cause too much trouble to you!

[Imperium Anglorum]

The Most Sacred Kingdom is NOT a dominion of any nation, and any assertion thereof is a violation of GAR 2

ELSIE MORTIMER WELLESLEY: That's an interesting assessment... The Earl of Charleroi and the representatives of coalition forces don't concur with that claim. We would be happy to permit the entrance of third party representatives from United Massachusetts, Morover, Separatist Peoples, and Berlania to assess the current political status in the Dominion of Vrama. I have no hesitation in noting our profound disappointment in your government's banal assertions of territorial claims and control over an integral part of the United Commonwealth.

Araraukar has no military ... has some parts of ... law enforcement ... and wouldn't be involved in anything beyond the nation's borders.

No self-help?

[Araraukar]

Araraukar has no military ... has some parts of ... law enforcement ... and wouldn't be involved in anything beyond the nation's borders.

No self-help?

OOC: What does "self-help" mean in the context of law-enforcement?

[Imperium Anglorum]

OOC: What does "self-help" mean in the context of law-enforcement?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... ez-Machain

[Araraukar]

OOC: What does "self-help" mean in the context of law-enforcement?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... ez-Machain

OOC: Are you sure you linked to the right article? Because I don't see any connection.

[Imperium Anglorum]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-help_(law)

[United Massachusetts]

We have excluded mercenaries. I'd like to move this towards submission soon, if possible.

[United Massachusetts]

To be submitted soon.

[Araraukar]

OOC: It looks good - except the last clause starting "and Further" instead of "And further" annoys my brain.

[United Massachusetts]

OOC: It looks good - except the last clause starting "and Further" instead of "And further" annoys my brain.

Fixed.

[Araraukar]

"Text looks good now, should submit it
Fault will always be found with it
But someone else will do that
I'll be off to stroke a cat."

OOC: As requested...

[United Massachusetts]

Will be submitted today at minor, barring further objection.

[United Massachusetts]

This has been submitted, with some minor edits.

[Marxist Germany]

OOC:Good luck

[Maowi]

OOC: Quorum reached!!!

[Separatist Peoples]

"We are disappointed that the proposal does not go as far or work as effectively as it could. Nonetheless, we support it and hope for it's passage."

[Greater vakolicci haven]

"Does this proposal prevent crusades in the name of almighty God against the forces of the Tyrant and his minions?" asked a very large man seated near the front.

[Araraukar]

"Does this proposal prevent crusades in the name of almighty God against the forces of the Tyrant and his minions?" asked a very large man seated near the front.

"I should hope so," Linda said, apparently completely oblivious that the glitch in the Universal Translator that had made her speak in rhyme for several days, had been quietly fixed.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

"Does this proposal prevent crusades in the name of almighty God against the forces of the Tyrant and his minions?" asked a very large man seated near the front.

"I should hope so," Linda said, apparently completely oblivious that the glitch in the Universal Translator that had made her speak in rhyme for several days, had been quietly fixed.

"But this is barbaric!" he snarled. "I represent Velstrania, one of the 3 provinces making up the Greater Vakolicci Haven. It is our holy duty to destroy tyranny whenever it is found!"

[Kenmoria]

"I should hope so," Linda said, apparently completely oblivious that the glitch in the Universal Translator that had made her speak in rhyme for several days, had been quietly fixed.

"But this is barbaric!" he snarled. "I represent Velstrania, one of the 3 provinces making up the Greater Vakolicci Haven. It is our holy duty to destroy tyranny whenever it is found!"

“If your god obeys the rules of this legislation, then there is no issue. Otherwise, your holy duty will have to change such that it in compliance, or be put aside until your deity drafts a successful repeal, assuming this proposal passes.”

[Greater vakolicci haven]

"But this is barbaric!" he snarled. "I represent Velstrania, one of the 3 provinces making up the Greater Vakolicci Haven. It is our holy duty to destroy tyranny whenever it is found!"

“If your god obeys the rules of this legislation, then there is no issue. Otherwise, your holy duty will have to change such that it in compliance, or be put aside until your deity drafts a successful repeal, assuming this proposal passes.”

"We cannot!" he looked outraged, "Velstrania only goes on crusades against tyrannical countries. We define tyranny as 'restricting the ability of the population to enjoy the right of the will. The right of the will is very important, you must know this. Does your nation restrict it?"

[Kenmoria]

“If your god obeys the rules of this legislation, then there is no issue. Otherwise, your holy duty will have to change such that it in compliance, or be put aside until your deity drafts a successful repeal, assuming this proposal passes.”

"We cannot!" he looked outraged, "Velstrania only goes on crusades against tyrannical countries. We define tyranny as 'restricting the ability of the population to enjoy the right of the will. The right of the will is very important, you must know this. Does your nation restrict it?"

“Preventing abuses of human rights does count as a legitimate cause for war according to this proposal. Therefore, assuming you first try diplomatic approaches to solve this problem, you have no extant treaties forbidding war, and the expected returns of the action will outweigh the costs, your action is perfectly legal.

I am assuming you mean the right to a will and testament by ‘right of the will’, which Kenmoria does not restrict at all. If you mean something else that is not internationally recognised, then your actions shan’t be legal.”

[Greater vakolicci haven]

"We cannot!" he looked outraged, "Velstrania only goes on crusades against tyrannical countries. We define tyranny as 'restricting the ability of the population to enjoy the right of the will. The right of the will is very important, you must know this. Does your nation restrict it?"

“Preventing abuses of human rights does count as a legitimate cause for war according to this proposal. Therefore, assuming you first try diplomatic approaches to solve this problem, you have no extant treaties forbidding war, and the expected returns of the action will outweigh the costs, your action is perfectly legal.

I am assuming you mean the right to a will and testament by ‘right of the will’, which Kenmoria does not restrict at all. If you mean something else that is not internationally recognised, then your actions shan’t be legal.”

"No," he looked like he was about to preach, "The right to a will and testament would be 'the right to a will,' not 'the right of the will.' The right of the will is the protection of the right to live ones life how they fail to see it, and the recognition that the needs of society are as garbage when compared to the needs of individuals. For example. My name is Kelmusdriel nos Alarmanzis, and my position is that of a minister in the foreign affairs department of Velstrania. I, therefore, know quite a lot of information that I generally don't make public, because it might damage our reputation...however if we were asked by a Velsturman citizen to make it public he has enitiated his right of the will, and therefore the wishes of the government must come second to the right. Likewise, a military base is generally off limits. A citizen asks to go look around in it, he must be allowed to because this is his will. The government would really like to ban something for the protection of society...it can't, because it is the will of some people that it not be banned, and thus it must not be. This is the way our nation is ran in accordance with the wishes of God himself, and due to the global tyranny of much of the world groups of enterprising young crusaders regularly go, with or without the governments blessing, to liberate those living under the tyrants dominion. Do you understand now?"