NATION

PASSWORD

[DEFEATED] Protecting Personal Privacy

A carefully preserved record of the most notable World Assembly debates.

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
Marxist Germany
Minister
 
Posts: 2171
Founded: Jun 07, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Marxist Germany » Sat May 11, 2019 1:52 am

Maowi wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:OOC:Fixed


OOC: Eh, I don't think so. In my opinion you should still specify at least a general guideline as to what constitutes adolescence, like you had before, but state that the precise age boundary is to be set by the government. The way you have it now, you could have an 'adolescent' being defined as a cupcake. Don't know why that would be desirable, but you get my point, I hope.

OOC:Hopefully it's better now.

Battlion wrote:So not sure about this, but would an organisation that children facing abuse can reach out to be covered by this? Because, in effect, the way I read it at the moment those kind of organisations wouldn’t be able to keep data from anyone reaching out until there’s criminal proceedings/search warrants.

OOC:See the exceptions in clause 2a.
Author of GA#461, GA#470, GA#477, GA#481, GA#486 (co-author), and SC#295

Former delegate of The United Federations; citizen and former Senior Senator of 10000 Islands; 113th Knight of TITO

User avatar
Battlion
Diplomat
 
Posts: 588
Founded: Aug 01, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Battlion » Sat May 11, 2019 2:15 am

Going off that, who determines what is in the child's best interest? Couldn't an organisation determine that and thus leave it open?

User avatar
Marxist Germany
Minister
 
Posts: 2171
Founded: Jun 07, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Marxist Germany » Sat May 11, 2019 2:30 am

Battlion wrote:Going off that, who determines what is in the child's best interest? Couldn't an organisation determine that and thus leave it open?

OOC:They are expected to follow resolutions in Good faith.
Author of GA#461, GA#470, GA#477, GA#481, GA#486 (co-author), and SC#295

Former delegate of The United Federations; citizen and former Senior Senator of 10000 Islands; 113th Knight of TITO

User avatar
Battlion
Diplomat
 
Posts: 588
Founded: Aug 01, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Battlion » Sat May 11, 2019 2:59 am

Marxist Germany wrote:
Battlion wrote:Going off that, who determines what is in the child's best interest? Couldn't an organisation determine that and thus leave it open?

OOC:They are expected to follow resolutions in Good faith.


OOC: I thought that applied to players?

I don’t know, I’d consider including “as determined by national governments” at the end.

User avatar
Marxist Germany
Minister
 
Posts: 2171
Founded: Jun 07, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Marxist Germany » Sat May 11, 2019 3:01 am

Battlion wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:OOC:They are expected to follow resolutions in Good faith.


OOC: I thought that applied to players?

I don’t know, I’d consider including “as determined by national governments” at the end.

OOC:Yeah, that should fix any ambiguities.
Author of GA#461, GA#470, GA#477, GA#481, GA#486 (co-author), and SC#295

Former delegate of The United Federations; citizen and former Senior Senator of 10000 Islands; 113th Knight of TITO

User avatar
Kenmoria
GA Secretariat
 
Posts: 7915
Founded: Jul 03, 2017
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Kenmoria » Sun May 12, 2019 12:47 pm

“What is ‘a transitional period’, in the definition of adolescence? I’m guessing you are referring to puberty or an equivalent, but you could just as easily be describing the transition to primary school, or from crawling to walking.”
Hello! I’m a GAer and NS Roleplayer from the United Kingdom.
My pronouns are he/him.
Any posts that I make as GenSec will be clearly marked as such and OOC. Conversely, my IC ambassador in the General Assembly is Ambassador Fortier. I’m always happy to discuss ideas about proposals, particularly if grammar or wording are in issue. I am also Executive Deputy Minister for the WA Ministry of TNP.
Kenmoria is an illiberal yet democratic nation pursuing the goals of communism in a semi-effective fashion. It has a very broad diplomatic presence despite being economically developing, mainly to seek help in recovering from the effect of a recent civil war. Read the factbook here for more information; perhaps, I will eventually finish it.

User avatar
Maowi
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1241
Founded: Jan 07, 2019
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Maowi » Sun May 12, 2019 1:25 pm

Kenmoria wrote:“What is ‘a transitional period’, in the definition of adolescence? I’m guessing you are referring to puberty or an equivalent, but you could just as easily be describing the transition to primary school, or from crawling to walking.”


'... or something completely unrelated to age, such as transitioning to a different gender.'
THE SUPINE SOCIALIST SLOTHLAND OF MAOWI

hi!LETHARGY ⭐️ LANGUOR ⭐️ LAZINESShi!

Home | Guide for Visitors | Religion | Fashion

User avatar
Marxist Germany
Minister
 
Posts: 2171
Founded: Jun 07, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Marxist Germany » Tue May 14, 2019 11:59 am

"I hope the updated definition has made it more clear."
Author of GA#461, GA#470, GA#477, GA#481, GA#486 (co-author), and SC#295

Former delegate of The United Federations; citizen and former Senior Senator of 10000 Islands; 113th Knight of TITO

User avatar
Kenmoria
GA Secretariat
 
Posts: 7915
Founded: Jul 03, 2017
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Kenmoria » Tue May 14, 2019 12:17 pm

“The fact that you use the world ‘guardian’ in your definition of ‘guardian’ is, although not necessarily incorrect, rather irritating. Your definition of adolescence, having been changed, I now find much improved. What little ambiguity remains can’t really be stamped out, and good-faith compliance is useful.”
Hello! I’m a GAer and NS Roleplayer from the United Kingdom.
My pronouns are he/him.
Any posts that I make as GenSec will be clearly marked as such and OOC. Conversely, my IC ambassador in the General Assembly is Ambassador Fortier. I’m always happy to discuss ideas about proposals, particularly if grammar or wording are in issue. I am also Executive Deputy Minister for the WA Ministry of TNP.
Kenmoria is an illiberal yet democratic nation pursuing the goals of communism in a semi-effective fashion. It has a very broad diplomatic presence despite being economically developing, mainly to seek help in recovering from the effect of a recent civil war. Read the factbook here for more information; perhaps, I will eventually finish it.

User avatar
Marxist Germany
Minister
 
Posts: 2171
Founded: Jun 07, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Marxist Germany » Sun May 26, 2019 12:34 pm

OOC:Bumping this for more feedback
Author of GA#461, GA#470, GA#477, GA#481, GA#486 (co-author), and SC#295

Former delegate of The United Federations; citizen and former Senior Senator of 10000 Islands; 113th Knight of TITO

User avatar
Araraukar
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15899
Founded: May 14, 2007
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Araraukar » Sun May 26, 2019 3:30 pm

Marxist Germany wrote:[Defines] A "Business" as any group that trades goods or services and is aimed at achieving a profit;

"So a single individual running a business can do whatever they like with personal data. I'm sure that won't get abused in any way..."
- ambassador miss Janis Leveret
Araraukar's RP reality is Modern Tech solarpunk. In IC in the WA.
Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.

User avatar
Marxist Germany
Minister
 
Posts: 2171
Founded: Jun 07, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Marxist Germany » Mon May 27, 2019 3:30 am

Araraukar wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:[Defines] A "Business" as any group that trades goods or services and is aimed at achieving a profit;

"So a single individual running a business can do whatever they like with personal data. I'm sure that won't get abused in any way..."

"We've fixed this, ambassador."
Author of GA#461, GA#470, GA#477, GA#481, GA#486 (co-author), and SC#295

Former delegate of The United Federations; citizen and former Senior Senator of 10000 Islands; 113th Knight of TITO

User avatar
Araraukar
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15899
Founded: May 14, 2007
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Araraukar » Tue May 28, 2019 12:30 am

Marxist Germany wrote:
Araraukar wrote:"So a single individual running a business can do whatever they like with personal data. I'm sure that won't get abused in any way..."

"We've fixed this, ambassador."

"The question that remains, is why nonprofit organizations and private citizens not looking to make a profit are excempt of this? Someone could be collecting personal information about people via spy programs or such, in order to target them criminally - not to profit from the crime, but to, for example, sexually assault them."
Last edited by Araraukar on Tue May 28, 2019 12:31 am, edited 1 time in total.
- ambassador miss Janis Leveret
Araraukar's RP reality is Modern Tech solarpunk. In IC in the WA.
Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.

User avatar
Kenmoria
GA Secretariat
 
Posts: 7915
Founded: Jul 03, 2017
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Kenmoria » Tue May 28, 2019 2:01 am

Araraukar wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:"We've fixed this, ambassador."

"The question that remains, is why nonprofit organizations and private citizens not looking to make a profit are excempt of this? Someone could be collecting personal information about people via spy programs or such, in order to target them criminally - not to profit from the crime, but to, for example, sexually assault them."

“This was asked earlier, and the authoring delegation responded with concerns of micromanagement.”

Marxist Germany wrote:"I have decided against adding other organisations as this would be too overreaching and micromanaging."
Hello! I’m a GAer and NS Roleplayer from the United Kingdom.
My pronouns are he/him.
Any posts that I make as GenSec will be clearly marked as such and OOC. Conversely, my IC ambassador in the General Assembly is Ambassador Fortier. I’m always happy to discuss ideas about proposals, particularly if grammar or wording are in issue. I am also Executive Deputy Minister for the WA Ministry of TNP.
Kenmoria is an illiberal yet democratic nation pursuing the goals of communism in a semi-effective fashion. It has a very broad diplomatic presence despite being economically developing, mainly to seek help in recovering from the effect of a recent civil war. Read the factbook here for more information; perhaps, I will eventually finish it.

User avatar
Araraukar
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15899
Founded: May 14, 2007
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Araraukar » Tue May 28, 2019 2:21 am

Kenmoria wrote:
Araraukar wrote:"The question that remains, is why nonprofit organizations and private citizens not looking to make a profit are excempt of this? Someone could be collecting personal information about people via spy programs or such, in order to target them criminally - not to profit from the crime, but to, for example, sexually assault them."

“This was asked earlier, and the authoring delegation responded with concerns of micromanagement.”

Marxist Germany wrote:"I have decided against adding other organisations as this would be too overreaching and micromanaging."

"Which would be a reasonable reply if the proposal was in its entirety anything but micromanagement...
- ambassador miss Janis Leveret
Araraukar's RP reality is Modern Tech solarpunk. In IC in the WA.
Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.

User avatar
Marxist Germany
Minister
 
Posts: 2171
Founded: Jun 07, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Marxist Germany » Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:19 am

OOC:One final bump for any concerns regarding this proposal, otherwise, I will be submitting In 2 weeks.

Edit:I am going to try to tweak the definition of a business to include non profits.
Last edited by Marxist Germany on Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:20 am, edited 1 time in total.
Author of GA#461, GA#470, GA#477, GA#481, GA#486 (co-author), and SC#295

Former delegate of The United Federations; citizen and former Senior Senator of 10000 Islands; 113th Knight of TITO

User avatar
Separatist Peoples
GA Secretariat
 
Posts: 16989
Founded: Feb 17, 2011
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:36 am

"Along with creating a private right of action, you might consider obligating states establish statutory damages as a remedy, so that nations cannot award only nominal damages that do not dissuade businesses from unlawful behavior."

His Worshipfulness, the Most Unscrupulous, Plainly Deceitful, Dissembling, Strategicly Calculating Lord GA Secretariat, Authority on All Existence, Arbiter of Right, Toxic Globalist Dog, Dark Psychic Vampire, and Chief Populist Elitist!
Separatist Peoples should RESIGN!

User avatar
Aclion
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6249
Founded: Apr 12, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Aclion » Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:07 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:"Along with creating a private right of action, you might consider obligating states establish statutory damages as a remedy, so that nations cannot award only nominal damages that do not dissuade businesses from unlawful behavior."

"Nations that are inclined to award insufficient damages aren't likely to legislate damages that prevent them from doing so. The mandate would need to require the damages be enough to be dissuasive"
A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or, perhaps both. - James Madison.

User avatar
Separatist Peoples
GA Secretariat
 
Posts: 16989
Founded: Feb 17, 2011
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:28 am

Aclion wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Along with creating a private right of action, you might consider obligating states establish statutory damages as a remedy, so that nations cannot award only nominal damages that do not dissuade businesses from unlawful behavior."

"Nations that are inclined to award insufficient damages aren't likely to legislate damages that prevent them from doing so. The mandate would need to require the damages be enough to be dissuasive"

"Of course. That is standard operating procedure in drafting dissuasive penalties in the GA."

His Worshipfulness, the Most Unscrupulous, Plainly Deceitful, Dissembling, Strategicly Calculating Lord GA Secretariat, Authority on All Existence, Arbiter of Right, Toxic Globalist Dog, Dark Psychic Vampire, and Chief Populist Elitist!
Separatist Peoples should RESIGN!

User avatar
Uan aa Boa
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1130
Founded: Apr 23, 2017
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Uan aa Boa » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:13 am

Marxist Germany wrote:Edit:I am going to try to tweak the definition of a business to include non profits.

Your current definition is as a group that trades goods or services, albeit not necessarily for a profit. This still excludes most non-profit organisations, religious groups, political parties etc etc. Essentially you need to ask yourself if you're happy allowing the KKK to build a database of black peoples' names and addresses simply because they don't trade goods or services.

User avatar
Marxist Germany
Minister
 
Posts: 2171
Founded: Jun 07, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Marxist Germany » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:26 am

Uan aa Boa wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:Edit:I am going to try to tweak the definition of a business to include non profits.

Your current definition is as a group that trades goods or services, albeit not necessarily for a profit. This still excludes most non-profit organisations, religious groups, political parties etc etc. Essentially you need to ask yourself if you're happy allowing the KKK to build a database of black peoples' names and addresses simply because they don't trade goods or services.

OOC:Do you have any suggestions?
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Along with creating a private right of action, you might consider obligating states establish statutory damages as a remedy, so that nations cannot award only nominal damages that do not dissuade businesses from unlawful behavior."

"Thank you for bringing that to my attention, it will be added in soon."
Last edited by Marxist Germany on Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:32 am, edited 1 time in total.
Author of GA#461, GA#470, GA#477, GA#481, GA#486 (co-author), and SC#295

Former delegate of The United Federations; citizen and former Senior Senator of 10000 Islands; 113th Knight of TITO

User avatar
Uan aa Boa
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1130
Founded: Apr 23, 2017
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Uan aa Boa » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:33 am

Marxist Germany wrote:OOC:Do you have any suggestions?

Strike all references to business and replace with something that applies to every organisation that controls the processing of personal data. "Data controller" is the term that EU legislation uses.

This would also remove the need for the workaround you currently have on viewing data from secondary sources.

User avatar
Maowi
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1241
Founded: Jan 07, 2019
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Maowi » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:34 am

Marxist Germany wrote:
Uan aa Boa wrote:Your current definition is as a group that trades goods or services, albeit not necessarily for a profit. This still excludes most non-profit organisations, religious groups, political parties etc etc. Essentially you need to ask yourself if you're happy allowing the KKK to build a database of black peoples' names and addresses simply because they don't trade goods or services.

OOC:Do you have any suggestions?


OOC: I think you need to make a decision here. If you decide to leave the definition as only applying to groups trading goods/services, it doesn't change anything regarding "most non-profit organisations, religious groups political parties etc etc". Personally I think it's fine for you to leave it like this if you want to, because that doesn't prevent governments legislating on the matter internally, or somebody else writing a proposal about it. Alternatively, you could expand this to follow Uan aa Boa's suggestion.
THE SUPINE SOCIALIST SLOTHLAND OF MAOWI

hi!LETHARGY ⭐️ LANGUOR ⭐️ LAZINESShi!

Home | Guide for Visitors | Religion | Fashion

User avatar
Separatist Peoples
GA Secretariat
 
Posts: 16989
Founded: Feb 17, 2011
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:40 am

"Further issue.

2.e - Governments of member states from viewing the data of a user without the explicit prior consent from both the business holding the data and the user to which the data belongs, except when the information is needed for a criminal investigation or court case, or when a search warrant has been issued;

You can probably nix the struck-through text and instead create a requirement that governments may review data pursuant to a subpoena for civil discovery to which the data is not a party or subject to issuance of a warrant for criminal proceedings.

"This allows governments to subpoena data as part of an enforcement issue against a business without violating any privacy interests in civil matters, and doesn't interfere with warrant requirements or later legislation on that topic."

His Worshipfulness, the Most Unscrupulous, Plainly Deceitful, Dissembling, Strategicly Calculating Lord GA Secretariat, Authority on All Existence, Arbiter of Right, Toxic Globalist Dog, Dark Psychic Vampire, and Chief Populist Elitist!
Separatist Peoples should RESIGN!

User avatar
Marxist Germany
Minister
 
Posts: 2171
Founded: Jun 07, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Marxist Germany » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:19 am

Maowi wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:OOC:Do you have any suggestions?


OOC: I think you need to make a decision here. If you decide to leave the definition as only applying to groups trading goods/services, it doesn't change anything regarding "most non-profit organisations, religious groups political parties etc etc". Personally I think it's fine for you to leave it like this if you want to, because that doesn't prevent governments legislating on the matter internally, or somebody else writing a proposal about it. Alternatively, you could expand this to follow Uan aa Boa's suggestion.
Uan aa Boa wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:OOC:Do you have any suggestions?

Strike all references to business and replace with something that applies to every organisation that controls the processing of personal data. "Data controller" is the term that EU legislation uses.

This would also remove the need for the workaround you currently have on viewing data from secondary sources.

OOC:Yeah thanks, I'll change it to data controller as Uan aa Boa suggested.

Separatist Peoples wrote:"Further issue.

2.e - Governments of member states from viewing the data of a user without the explicit prior consent from both the business holding the data and the user to which the data belongs, except when the information is needed for a criminal investigation or court case, or when a search warrant has been issued;

You can probably nix the struck-through text and instead create a requirement that governments may review data pursuant to a subpoena for civil discovery to which the data is not a party or subject to issuance of a warrant for criminal proceedings.

"This allows governments to subpoena data as part of an enforcement issue against a business without violating any privacy interests in civil matters, and doesn't interfere with warrant requirements or later legislation on that topic."

"This has been noted and the proposal will be changed accordingly.
Author of GA#461, GA#470, GA#477, GA#481, GA#486 (co-author), and SC#295

Former delegate of The United Federations; citizen and former Senior Senator of 10000 Islands; 113th Knight of TITO

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to WA Archives

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users

Advertisement

Remove ads