[DEFEATED] Protecting Personal Privacy

[Kenmoria]

As Darin Perise walks into the room, taking up his usual power stance, he looks unusually happy for a man of his position. Upon looking more intimately on the proposal, however, he furrows his brows. "Forgive me for not keeping up-to-date with the drafting of this proposal, ambassador, though I must commend you and the Kenmorian delegation for writing such a clever proposal again. Of course, I was in support of your prior draft, at least until the whole debacle with the lack of a definition for an organization, that is. While I appreciate the inclusion this time around, I must question your definition itself. Why is it that government-run organizations are exempt from the restrictions written into this proposal. While I may understand the exemption for capitalist countries, where the government only runs organizations which may need personal data, but it seems to give socialist organizations an inherent advantage. I'm sure you've discussed this already, and I'm sure you have an answer, I'm just curious at what it is. Once more, good luck on this, ambassador."

“We were considering governmental services which necessarily require data collection. For example, counties in which censuses are mandatory or, given the most recently passed resolution, prison services. Although the advantages for socialist countries are irritating, there are also restrictions imposed upon governments by certain clauses, which would extend to government-ran organisations.”

[Araraukar]

“We were considering governmental services which necessarily require data collection. For example, counties in which censuses are mandatory or, given the most recently passed resolution, prison services. Although the advantages for socialist countries are irritating, there are also restrictions imposed upon governments by certain clauses, which would extend to government-ran organisations.”

"I have never understood why "socialist" is used as some kind of swearword or boogeyman. What is bad in wanting to make your population healthy and happy? It is not like socialist states were automatically authoritarian oppressors, any more than capitalist states automatically let their poor starve and die of easily preventable diseases simply because they are poor."

[Babloma]

This legislation does not define minor or underage with a numerical value. E.G. 18 YEARS OR YOUNGER IS A MINOR ETC

[Fulford]

Fulford believes that it is a companies divine right to be allowed to use any data submitted via an app as long as it states that the data will be used within their terms and agreements. We at Fulford hereby vote 'AGAINST' this resolution.

[Cuyan]

While I support the general idea of this resolution, I must vote against it.

Section 5 of this resolution clearly violates the sovereignty of nations in developing and establishing their own Tort law. I appreciate the authors' efforts to address this issue, but they need to do it in a fashion that doesn't dictate how nations should handle a topic that has traditionally been the distinct purview of the individual nations of this assembly.

Particularly determining what actions deserve to earn damages as part of a judgement worries me, and potentially opens up a floodgate of frivolous lawsuits from people who failed to read the "Terms and Conditions" of using whatever service may be in question. If the authors were to re-submit this proposal without Section 5, I would be willing to vote for it.

[Bears Armed]

This legislation does not define minor or underage with a numerical value. E.G. 18 YEARS OR YOUNGER IS A MINOR ETC

It could not do so without illegally contradicting an earlier resolution that is still in force. Such matters are explicitly defined as a matter of national choice, rather than left open to possible GA imposition of a one-size-fits-all policy.

[Curupiri]

Ambassador, please help me understand what appears to be a glaring loophole in this bill. Point 2.b. permits uninformed data collection of non-users in the name of 'crime prevention.' The language seems to allow for crimes that have not yet occurred. Would this not allow an organization with indirect ties to the government, such as one brought in in a consultant or contractor role, to simply say they are attempting to prevent crimes by collecting data and then turning it over to the government without user authorization?

Couldn't a private investigation or lobbying firm invoke section 2b of this bill to commit mass surveillance and circumvent 2c, 2d and the whole of section 3? The guarantees of due process seem badly undermined by the same logic that has led to things such as civil forfeiture or warrantless wiretapping. It's the vagueness of what constitutes 'crime prevention' rather than an active investigation that concerns me.

[Kenmoria]

Ambassador, please help me understand what appears to be a glaring loophole in this bill. Point 2.b. permits uninformed data collection of non-users in the name of 'crime prevention.' The language seems to allow for crimes that have not yet occurred. Would this not allow an organization with indirect ties to the government, such as one brought in in a consultant or contractor role, to simply say they are attempting to prevent crimes by collecting data and then turning it over to the government without user authorization?

Couldn't a private investigation or lobbying firm invoke section 2b of this bill to commit mass surveillance and circumvent 2c, 2d and the whole of section 3? The guarantees of due process seem badly undermined by the same logic that has led to things such as civil forfeiture or warrantless wiretapping. It's the vagueness of what constitutes 'crime prevention' rather than an active investigation that concerns me.

“I do not believe that allowing any and all data, regardless of actual utility towards the prevention of criminal activity, to be siphoned from businesses to governments would be a good-faith interpretation of the legislation. According to GA #002, all resolutions must be interpreted in a good-faith manner, and simply claiming an excuse not actually warranted by circumstances seems to me to be a poor reading of the bill.”

[Kranostav]

TNP's stance on this resolution for those who wish to read

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1238464

[Marxist Germany]

Fulford believes that it is a companies divine right to be allowed to use any data submitted via an app as long as it states that the data will be used within their terms and agreements. We at Fulford hereby vote 'AGAINST' this resolution.

"Well this is your lucky day ambassador, because this proposal does exactly that!"

[Caoeaso Cadea]

Caoeaso Cadea disagreed, the lastest cyber attack shutdown the Cadnbian internet for 21 days, and we need to know what is our people doing, so we don’t have dangerous cyber attacks.

[San Felix]

"Good evening, on the subject of personal privacy, San Felix values personal liberties and we consider infringement of personal privacy as a violation of liberty. We gladly vote FOR on this proposal. However we need a clearer explanation on what "crime prevention" may mean and what cases can be considered as "crime prevention". Is it up for the nations to decide what constitutes as "crime prevention" and what doesn't? Thank you for your time."

[San Felix]

"I have never understood why "socialist" is used as some kind of swearword or boogeyman. What is bad in wanting to make your population healthy and happy? It is not like socialist states were automatically authoritarian oppressors, any more than capitalist states automatically let their poor starve and die of easily preventable diseases simply because they are poor."

"It is quite clear that modern capitalism has created a Us vs. Them mentality for everyone. They put everybody else on the same category and boast themselves on saying that they're the best option. Shameful."

[Marxist Germany]

Caoeaso Cadea disagreed, the lastest cyber attack shutdown the Cadnbian internet for 21 days, and we need to know what is our people doing, so we don’t have dangerous cyber attacks.

"Don't worry, ambassador; this proposal makes exceptions for crime prevention."

[Araraukar]

"Given that the watching eye
Of government, not the sky
Is not needlessly blinded by
This, we have voted 'aye'."

[Kyoki Chudoku]

The Chudokuren ambassador- was entirely absent this time, her place taken instead by Hanabi, the very concerned Head of Security. Kyoki Chudoku relied heavily on surveillance of its population for state security. With other proposals increasingly reducing the severity of punishment options and the many of the nation’s prisons- once designed as torture centres- being reconfigured to serve long-term occupants in begrudging accordance with WA protocol, losing their omnipresent observation of the population was too great a concession to make.

“If this proposal does not intrude upon our ability to prevent crime we will not oppose it. If it does, I’ll burn the papers right now. Looking over it, it seems acceptable, but if someone wants to prove me wrong, I’m listening.”

[Inderlanda3]

I say this is a good proposal

[Inderlanda3]

The resolution is great the internet has too much data of users which should only be aquired by the users consent this resolution will also protect minors we must vote for this

[Araraukar]

The resolution is great the internet has too much data of users which should only be aquired by the users consent this resolution will also protect minors we must vote for this

"Blaming it on the Internet
Will not help you, I would bet
Though if you really think so, well
Let's talk, I have a bridge to sell..."

[Marxist Germany]

The resolution is great the internet has too much data of users which should only be aquired by the users consent this resolution will also protect minors we must vote for this

"Blaming it on the Internet
Will not help you, I would bet
Though if you really think so, well
Let's talk, I have a bridge to sell..."

"Has Linda become a poet?"

[United Massachusetts]

"Blaming it on the Internet
Will not help you, I would bet
Though if you really think so, well
Let's talk, I have a bridge to sell..."

"Has Linda become a poet?"

"You all doubted me when I said that the clergy can work miracles," Pierce opines.

[Araraukar]

"Has Linda become a poet?"

OOC: Once I get out of the Rhyming Space, I'll blame it all on a Universal Translator glitch.

[Kuriko]

The Kurikoan ambassador walks into the General Assembly.

"Greetings, my fellow ambassadors. Forgive me for my lateness to this discussion, and my lack of knowledge on whether this has been asked. In the discussion among WA ambassadors within 10000 Islands a question came up that we wish to put to the authors of this bill. The Ambassador would like to respectfully ask if this bill lacks mechanics towards the "crime prevention" data collected and whether the data being collected would be collected by the very own organization this bill creates? Thank you for your time."

[Vlender Tusdeta]

Ambassador, please help me understand what appears to be a glaring loophole in this bill. Point 2.b. permits uninformed data collection of non-users in the name of 'crime prevention.' The language seems to allow for crimes that have not yet occurred. Would this not allow an organization with indirect ties to the government, such as one brought in in a consultant or contractor role, to simply say they are attempting to prevent crimes by collecting data and then turning it over to the government without user authorization?

Couldn't a private investigation or lobbying firm invoke section 2b of this bill to commit mass surveillance and circumvent 2c, 2d and the whole of section 3? The guarantees of due process seem badly undermined by the same logic that has led to things such as civil forfeiture or warrantless wiretapping. It's the vagueness of what constitutes 'crime prevention' rather than an active investigation that concerns me.

With gratitude to the Curupiri ambassador, this argument has persuaded Vlender to register its vote against.

[Marxist Germany]

The Kurikoan ambassador walks into the General Assembly.

"Greetings, my fellow ambassadors. Forgive me for my lateness to this discussion, and my lack of knowledge on whether this has been asked. In the discussion among WA ambassadors within 10000 Islands a question came up that we wish to put to the authors of this bill. The Ambassador would like to respectfully ask if this bill lacks mechanics towards the "crime prevention" data collected and whether the data being collected would be collected by the very own organization this bill creates? Thank you for your time."

"Data collection would be done by organisations not the WA, ambassador."

Ambassador, please help me understand what appears to be a glaring loophole in this bill. Point 2.b. permits uninformed data collection of non-users in the name of 'crime prevention.' The language seems to allow for crimes that have not yet occurred. Would this not allow an organization with indirect ties to the government, such as one brought in in a consultant or contractor role, to simply say they are attempting to prevent crimes by collecting data and then turning it over to the government without user authorization?

Couldn't a private investigation or lobbying firm invoke section 2b of this bill to commit mass surveillance and circumvent 2c, 2d and the whole of section 3? The guarantees of due process seem badly undermined by the same logic that has led to things such as civil forfeiture or warrantless wiretapping. It's the vagueness of what constitutes 'crime prevention' rather than an active investigation that concerns me.

With gratitude to the Curupiri ambassador, this argument has persuaded Vlender to register its vote against.

"Good-faith must be employed when interpreting resolutions to be compliant with GA#2"