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by Araraukar » Sat Aug 17, 2019 1:53 pm
Kenmoria wrote:“I see no reason why charities cannot handle work that governments do not. It has been specified in the proposal text that the organisations in question must perform useful work to reduce food waste, so all that happens is a different cause results in the same effect. Governments should have money through taxation, whereas charities often rely solely on donations.”
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Kenmoria » Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:29 pm
Araraukar wrote:Kenmoria wrote:“I see no reason why charities cannot handle work that governments do not. It has been specified in the proposal text that the organisations in question must perform useful work to reduce food waste, so all that happens is a different cause results in the same effect. Governments should have money through taxation, whereas charities often rely solely on donations.”
IC: "You say that "goverments do not". Isn't that what the whole proposal is about? To make the governments handle it? Are you saying that the WA giving money to charities allows the governments to choose what to do and what not do? Wouldn't that let nations so inclined to get away with doing nothing, since charities working on WA money will do everything for them? How is that fair for nations whose governments are not corrupt and lazy, and who don't need either a WA committee or a charity to handhold them, but whose money is still bled through the General Fund to pour money into charities."
OOC: Did you give an OOC justification for this before? I'm fairly sure I prodded the issue earlier. Also, Linda is annoyed about the charities, because the Araraukarian official stance more or less is that charities are basically pyramid scams or smokescreens for brainwashing cult-recruiters (they have issues with religions as well, in case you haven't noticed ), so the General Fund -funded charities sounds about as offensive as a suggestion to give money to thieves so that they can thieve some more.
Once more, Araraukar does not reflect my RL opinions.
by Ard al Islam » Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:31 pm
by Flying Eagles » Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:30 pm
by The Candy Of Bottles » Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:12 pm
by Kenmoria » Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:38 am
Flying Eagles wrote:With the exception of clauses 2, 6, and 8, every single clause has words like “reasonable” that are open to way too much interpretation. I think this is more like a list of desires than specific, enforceable policy.
by Youssath » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:45 am
While I must applaud the The Democratic Kingdom of Kenmoria for its noble causes for the betterment of this world, this nation believes that there are more effective and reasonable measures that can be taken to reduce food wastage.
Of course, we cannot aim to eliminate this problem entirely; especially since developed nations with a huge purchasing power often are the main source for food wastage. The idea is not to reduce food production since it can create unprecedented disasters should a natural crisis strikes, but rather a healthy and sustainable development towards food management and sustainability in order to solve this issue at hand.
Hence, while we do agree with the idea of reducing food wastage worldwide, I regret to inform you that this nation must vote against this resolution. Don't take it hard though, we will still enforce it if it passes in the General Assembly. Good luck!
by Kenmoria » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:02 am
Marxist Germany wrote:"Good luck ambassador, I'll be voting in favour of this shall it reach vote."
Ard al Islam wrote:Submitted? Let's do this! Good luck.
Youssath wrote:Good luck!
Youssath wrote:The Youssathian Ambassador reads the resolution at vote closely, squinting at the words "this august assembly" as his eyesight fails him once more. He calls for more time to understand the bill at hand, and summons his assistant to help him interpret what the resolution means. A group of advisors come along to his side to discuss the bill and to provide expertise for the ambassador.
After deliberate consideration from his team, the ambassador makes his way towards the podium and makes the following address:While I must applaud the The Democratic Kingdom of Kenmoria for its noble causes for the betterment of this world, this nation believes that there are more effective and reasonable measures that can be taken to reduce food wastage.
Of course, we cannot aim to eliminate this problem entirely; especially since developed nations with a huge purchasing power often are the main source for food wastage. The idea is not to reduce food production since it can create unprecedented disasters should a natural crisis strikes, but rather a healthy and sustainable development towards food management and sustainability in order to solve this issue at hand.
Hence, while we do agree with the idea of reducing food wastage worldwide, I regret to inform you that this nation must vote against this resolution. Don't take it hard though, we will still enforce it if it passes in the General Assembly. Good luck!
Before leaving, the Youssathian Ambassador passes the Kenmorian Ambassador a detailed note justifying the nation's stance against this resolution. Hopefully, he would come into terms into what he sees in this proposal.
(OOC: It's a good proposal, although I will be challenging some parts of your resolution since they have been tried and tested before. Nevertheless, it does seem that this resolution will be passed. Good luck!
Also, this clickbait title "Why you should vote against today's resolution, even though you agree with it" seems great to describe my stance in general. )
by Marxist Germany » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:20 am
by Araraukar » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:29 am
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by PotatoFarmers » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:07 am
by Kenmoria » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:25 am
PotatoFarmers wrote:Mr Saribu Kishat walks into the GA hall feeling very tired. After all, he just attended a discussion with regards to the issue of the proposal at vote, and there was lots of discussion on what to vote for the proposal. Nevertheless, he walked to the group of delegates discussing about the proposal, and sits down. "Sorry to interrupt all of you here, but I think we have some important points that we believed should be raised. He hands the group of delegates a piece of paper[/url] each. "In my opinion, this proposal deserves my support. The issue about addressing food waste is something even we didn't think off, and we really have to thank Kenmoria for raising the issue. Unfortunately, we have some reservations about the proposal that leads us to voting Abstain for the proposal. In the event that the proposal fails to pass, which we believe is unlikely to happen, I think our points of concern should be noted and hopefully, a better draft can come out."
by Youssath » Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:16 am
Kenmoria wrote:“You raise good points in your dispatch, which I will look at should there be a sudden change in voting and subsequent retry.”Youssath wrote:The Youssathian Ambassador reads the resolution at vote closely, squinting at the words "this august assembly" as his eyesight fails him once more. He calls for more time to understand the bill at hand, and summons his assistant to help him interpret what the resolution means. A group of advisors come along to his side to discuss the bill and to provide expertise for the ambassador.
After deliberate consideration from his team, the ambassador makes his way towards the podium and makes the following address:While I must applaud the The Democratic Kingdom of Kenmoria for its noble causes for the betterment of this world, this nation believes that there are more effective and reasonable measures that can be taken to reduce food wastage.
Of course, we cannot aim to eliminate this problem entirely; especially since developed nations with a huge purchasing power often are the main source for food wastage. The idea is not to reduce food production since it can create unprecedented disasters should a natural crisis strikes, but rather a healthy and sustainable development towards food management and sustainability in order to solve this issue at hand.
Hence, while we do agree with the idea of reducing food wastage worldwide, I regret to inform you that this nation must vote against this resolution. Don't take it hard though, we will still enforce it if it passes in the General Assembly. Good luck!
Before leaving, the Youssathian Ambassador passes the Kenmorian Ambassador a detailed note justifying the nation's stance against this resolution. Hopefully, he would come into terms into what he sees in this proposal.
(OOC: It's a good proposal, although I will be challenging some parts of your resolution since they have been tried and tested before. Nevertheless, it does seem that this resolution will be passed. Good luck!
Also, this clickbait title "Why you should vote against today's resolution, even though you agree with it" seems great to describe my stance in general. )
(OOC: When you say ‘tried and tested before’, do you mean in GA legislation or in the actual world?)
Araraukar wrote:IC: "As stated before, the use of WA funds to finance charities instead of nations themselves, is the reason we have voted against."
OOC: Youssath, you could probably assemble good enough a case from your dispatch reasoning into a repeal if you wanted. Just be sure to draft in on the forums, because posting it as is, would likely (didn't read it in detail yet) not work.
by Inderlanda3 » Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:49 pm
by Halston Sage » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:20 am
by Kenmoria » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:37 am
East Meranopirus wrote:Wait, Kenmoria joined the WA for this?
by Losthaven » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:09 am
by Araraukar » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:29 am
Losthaven wrote:In retrospect, this probably should not have been given a "mild" effect given the broad new mandates imposed by this law. 'Commanding' nations to provide every citizen with food storage education, obliging food producers to limit waste as far as reasonably possible, mandating food recycling, ordering nations to establish a food welfare program, requiring business to take 'every' reasonable step to delay food spoilage... there is no way this is a mere mild proposal.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Losthaven » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:32 am
Araraukar wrote:Losthaven wrote:In retrospect, this probably should not have been given a "mild" effect given the broad new mandates imposed by this law. 'Commanding' nations to provide every citizen with food storage education, obliging food producers to limit waste as far as reasonably possible, mandating food recycling, ordering nations to establish a food welfare program, requiring business to take 'every' reasonable step to delay food spoilage... there is no way this is a mere mild proposal.
OOC: I think it was based on "because reasonable nations/businesses would already be doing this anyway", so it's not exactly introducing a lot of new stuff for most of the nations.
by Kenmoria » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:48 am
Araraukar wrote:Losthaven wrote:In retrospect, this probably should not have been given a "mild" effect given the broad new mandates imposed by this law. 'Commanding' nations to provide every citizen with food storage education, obliging food producers to limit waste as far as reasonably possible, mandating food recycling, ordering nations to establish a food welfare program, requiring business to take 'every' reasonable step to delay food spoilage... there is no way this is a mere mild proposal.
OOC: I think it was based on "because reasonable nations/businesses would already be doing this anyway", so it's not exactly introducing a lot of new stuff for most of the nations.
by Dirty Americans » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:09 am
by Youssath » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:16 pm
Dirty Americans wrote:I am shocked to see a resolution like this on the floor. I didn't think the delegates would have it in them to support such a fine and outstanding resolution that actually addresses an important issue. I have voted for this and you have my full support.
by A Great and Free Spain » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:42 pm
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