NationStates

RiderSyl wrote:

Peigan wrote:Edit: This also distracts from the point that they also have communist dictatorships in their ranks. I think this argument boils down to how serious you take this game.

Okay, no, stop that. They received this Liberation because they're seen as fascist. Someone asked why it was passed in the first place. I explained it. You're the one bringing up communism over and over, when it actually has nothing to do with the topic of the thread. You're the one distracting from the point here, not the other way around.

I was more addressing the larger issue that this topic is associated with. However, I admit I'm going off-topic and apologize.

Peigan wrote:

RiderSyl wrote:
Okay, no, stop that. They received this Liberation because they're seen as fascist. Someone asked why it was passed in the first place. I explained it. You're the one bringing up communism over and over, when it actually has nothing to do with the topic of the thread. You're the one distracting from the point here, not the other way around.

I'm more addressing the larger issue that this topic is associated with. However, I admit I'm going off-topic and apologize.

It's okay. You're not the first to go off-topic due to the politics associated with this stuff, and I doubt you'll be the last.

ccd is so lame,, they dont even have low political or civil rights.... just bunch of goofs ropleplaying benito musclemeanie... vote against liberating to keep them annyoed!!

voting for this because i don't believe in offensive liberations on principle. i realize this stance is definitely in the minority on this site, however.

This is a no brainer. Against.

Ru- wrote:voting for this because i don't believe in offensive liberations on principle. i realize this stance is definitely in the minority on this site, however.

I agree with your stance, but I'm voting against it because the CCD doesn't seem to be taking it seriously enough to write a better resolution. It comes off as a April Fools' goof and that's just wasting the SC's time.

Peigan wrote:

RiderSyl wrote:
Okay, no, stop that. They received this Liberation because they're seen as fascist. Someone asked why it was passed in the first place. I explained it. You're the one bringing up communism over and over, when it actually has nothing to do with the topic of the thread. You're the one distracting from the point here, not the other way around.

I was more addressing the larger issue that this topic is associated with. However, I admit I'm going off-topic and apologize.

OOC: You don't need to be apologising to RiderSyl. You're not the one drawing anything off topic.

Jocospor wrote:

Peigan wrote:I was more addressing the larger issue that this topic is associated with. However, I admit I'm going off-topic and apologize.

OOC: You don't need to be apologising to RiderSyl. You're not the one drawing anything off topic.

How is discussing why the original Liberation was passed off-topic in this thread?

Jocospor wrote:

Peigan wrote:I was more addressing the larger issue that this topic is associated with. However, I admit I'm going off-topic and apologize.

OOC: You don't need to be apologising to RiderSyl. You're not the one drawing anything off topic.

I mean, bringing up TCB is going a little off topic for this resolution. My discussion would be better suited in a more general topic on double standards for extreme politics on NationStates

Peigan wrote:I mean, bringing up TCB is going a little off topic for this resolution. My discussion would be better suited in a more general topic on double standards for extreme politics on NationStates

Give it up, good sir. You've fought the good fight. I've pretty much given up trying to convince people I'm not a fascist just because I'm in the CCD.

Funny how the rest of your argument is true, though. I don't think I've seen much criticism of the extreme left-wing ideologies here, despite being just as bad as the extreme right.

Castelia wrote:Give it up, good sir. You've fought the good fight. I've pretty much given up trying to convince people I'm not a fascist just because I'm in the CCD.

He wasn't fighting your fight, though. I never called him fascist.

Castelia wrote:Funny how the rest of your argument is true, though. I don't think I've seen much criticism of the extreme left-wing ideologies here, despite being just as bad as the extreme right.

We just talked about how this is off-topic. How you feel about communists and the "extreme left" isn't relevant. Take this shit to NSG.

Anybody want to bet on the outcome?

Mimerya wrote:Anybody want to bet on the outcome?

It's going down like a lead balloon, so it's hardly a fair bet.

RiderSyl wrote:
He wasn't fighting your fight, though. I never called him fascist.

I never said he was fighting my fight, though.

In any case, I was referring to his repeated insinuations that there should be a distinction between IRL fascists who use NationStates as a platform and those who merely choose to roleplay, as well as him pointing out that NSG shows a bias against right-wing ideologies while basically ignoring the atrocities of the left. I believe that the CCD and its community getting the OOC fascist label because of IC activities is wholly unfair, but I do agree that the way we do WA stuff CAN be annoying. (Sorry, Joco. I still love you and the CCD community, though).

RiderSyl wrote:
We just talked about how this is off-topic. How you feel about communists and the "extreme left" isn't relevant. Take this shit to NSG.

On that, I agree. I merely wished to state my opinion, and I apologize. Back on topic, please.

The New California Republic wrote:

Mimerya wrote:Anybody want to bet on the outcome?

It's going down like a lead balloon, so it's hardly a fair bet.

I mean we could bet on how badly it'll lose. My money is on 91-9% no to yes.

Castelia wrote:I do agree that the way we do WA stuff CAN be annoying.

Calling repeated self-commend attempts "annoying" is a bit of an understatement.

The New California Republic wrote:

Mimerya wrote:Anybody want to bet on the outcome?

It's going down like a lead balloon, so it's hardly a fair bet.

That's why I suggested a bet. Never pick a fight you might lose.

Mimerya wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:It's going down like a lead balloon, so it's hardly a fair bet.

That's why I suggested a bet. Never pick a fight you might lose.

Caracasus' take on the bet idea is a good one.

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Caracasus wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:It's going down like a lead balloon, so it's hardly a fair bet.

I mean we could bet on how badly it'll lose. My money is on 91-9% no to yes.

Cool. I'll get in on that. I bet that it'll be 92-8% no to yes.

I suppose it's appropriate that this is at Vote during the April Fool's event, seeing as this is a joke of a resolution.

Ru- wrote:voting for this because i don't believe in offensive liberations on principle. i realize this stance is definitely in the minority on this site, however.

I too do not believe in offensive liberations. Even so, this repeal is an insult to the Security Council, and CCD is a unique blight on the WA community.

Wallenburg wrote:I suppose it's appropriate that this is at Vote during the April Fool's event, seeing as this is a joke of a resolution.

It's just a shame that the bad joke carries on for another few days after April 1st.

RiderSyl wrote:

Castelia wrote:Funny how the rest of your argument is true, though. I don't think I've seen much criticism of the extreme left-wing ideologies here, despite being just as bad as the extreme right.

We just talked about how this is off-topic. How you feel about communists and the "extreme left" isn't relevant. Take this shit to NSG.

Ah, so it's fine when you want to talk about off-topic things, but as soon as someone points out your hypocrisies you try and bring the discussion back on topic. Interesting.

The New California Republic wrote:

Caracasus wrote:I mean we could bet on how badly it'll lose. My money is on 91-9% no to yes.

Cool. I'll get in on that. I bet that it'll be 92-8% no to yes.

Anyone know what the record for largest losing margin is? I'm interested.

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:

Blood Wine wrote:
1. drop the victim complex
2. you're violating the discord ToS, evading bans via alts are not allowed

1. I don't have a victim complex. Neither does Jocospor.
2. Explain?

1. yes you do, whining about the mods being impartial when they enforce basic rules
2. you're both banned from NSGP afaik, and somehow you still have the screenshots of the server, a clear ToS violation

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Anyone know what the record for largest losing margin is? I'm interested.

Records aren't kept of failed proposals, but I have occasionally seen failures of 95%+

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Ah, so it's fine when you want to talk about off-topic things, but as soon as someone points out your hypocrisies you try and bring the discussion back on topic.

I haven't brought up anything that wasn't related to what I was replying to, and this thread isn't about me so I don't need to argue against claims of hypocrisy.

Blood Wine wrote:2. you're both banned from NSGP afaik, and somehow you still have the screenshots of the server, a clear ToS violation

I've never even joined NSGP, up until this thread I actually had no idea it existed. As far as I know Jocospor has never joined the server either. Neither of us have ever been banned.

How can you be so certain those screenshots don't come from inside sources...?

RiderSyl wrote:

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Ah, so it's fine when you want to talk about off-topic things, but as soon as someone points out your hypocrisies you try and bring the discussion back on topic.

I haven't brought up anything that wasn't related to what I was replying to

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