[DEFEATED]Repeal:Liberate Confederation of Corrupt Dictators

[Castelia]

I am not talking about CCD, but regions you have embassies with did. and Shrew decided to say all those truly fascist regions just do RP.

Unless I'm reading something wrong here (English isn't my first language, please excuse me for that), Shrew said nothing of the sort. He insists the CCD does all of those things (embassies, promotion) as IC activities, not OOC. He wasn't talking about fascists regions in general, just the CCD.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

No, all it means is that we don't discriminate against people for roleplaying fascist nations in a game. Just like we don't discriminate against democratic regions, for example, if they choose to have positive relations with our region.

Ah okay so talking about how the Holocaust was fake and Jews have a victim complex is just roleplay

There we go, you have no idea what you're talking about.

People who talk about how "the Holocaust was fake and Jews have a victim complex" are Nazis. Some fascists are Nazis. Not all Nazis are fascists. The CCD has never been involved with Nazism.

To answer your second question, sure, anything can be roleplay. There are plenty of strategy/shooter games that allow you to play as Nazi Germany. That doesn't mean the person playing them wants to join NSDAP.

As far as I know, none of the regions we have embassies with currently engage in Nazi activities outside of NationStates.

I am not talking about CCD, but regions you have embassies with did. and Shrew decided to say all those truly fascist regions just do RP.

Unless I'm reading something wrong here (English isn't my first language, please excuse me for that), Shrew said nothing of the sort. He insists the CCD does all of those things (embassies, promotion) as IC activities, not OOC. He wasn't talking about fascists regions in general, just the CCD.

That's correct.

[Grater Tovakia]

People who talk about how "the Holocaust was fake and Jews have a victim complex" are Nazis. Some fascists are Nazis. Not all Nazis are fascists. The CCD has never been involved with Nazism.

Might want to check out https://www.nationstates.net/region=farkasfalka, and https://www.nationstates.net/region=the ... azi_empire to name a few

[ShrewLlamaLand]

People who talk about how "the Holocaust was fake and Jews have a victim complex" are Nazis. Some fascists are Nazis. Not all Nazis are fascists. The CCD has never been involved with Nazism.

Might want to check out https://www.nationstates.net/region=farkasfalka, and https://www.nationstates.net/region=the ... azi_empire to name a few

What has Farkasfalka done outside of roleplay within NationStates? The second region you linked looks to be a puppet of theirs.

Secondly, if an embassy with them is part of the reason we've been liberated, why haven't they been liberated themselves?

[Grater Tovakia]

I am not talking about CCD, but regions you have embassies with did. and Shrew decided to say all those truly fascist regions just do RP.

Unless I'm reading something wrong here (English isn't my first language, please excuse me for that), Shrew said nothing of the sort. He insists the CCD does all of those things (embassies, promotion) as IC activities, not OOC. He wasn't talking about fascists regions in general, just the CCD.

not really sure how you got that from

"No, all it means is that we don't discriminate against people for roleplaying fascist nations in a game. Just like we don't discriminate against democratic regions, for example, if they choose to have positive relations with our region."

That statement says that no matter the beliefs of the region, as long as they are nice to you there will be the establishment of relations.

(also going to ignore the use of Facist RP Nations, not regions in shrews statement.)

[Grater Tovakia]

Might want to check out https://www.nationstates.net/region=farkasfalka, and https://www.nationstates.net/region=the ... azi_empire to name a few

What has Farkasfalka done outside of roleplay within NationStates? The second region you linked looks to be a puppet of theirs.

Secondly, if an embassy with them is part of the reason we've been liberated, why haven't they been liberated themselves?

I mean first off they raid in the name of fascism secondly there discord has been the site of some serious anti-semetic comments.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

What has Farkasfalka done outside of roleplay within NationStates? The second region you linked looks to be a puppet of theirs.

Secondly, if an embassy with them is part of the reason we've been liberated, why haven't they been liberated themselves?

I mean first off they raid in the name of fascism secondly there discord has been the site of some serious anti-semetic comments.

Raiding in the name of fascism is still roleplay within NationStates.

I don't know anything about their Discord, I've never joined it myself. I'd hope any comments of that nature were made entirely for the purpose of roleplay.

[Grater Tovakia]

The "why don't they get liberated" argument is terrible because a 60 nation region that promotes an abhorrent ideology does not deserve the SCs attention. However when you have a region recruiting massive amounts of new players and exposing them to the dark underbelly of NS then it is the mission of the SC to counter the afore mentioned region.

[Caracasus]

I mean first off they raid in the name of fascism secondly there discord has been the site of some serious anti-semetic comments.

Raiding in the name of fascism is still roleplay within NationStates.

I don't know anything about their Discord, I've never joined it myself. I'd hope any comments of that nature were made entirely for the purpose of roleplay.

Then we liberated you in the name of antifascism and that.

Seriously though, pull the other one.

[Grater Tovakia]

I mean first off they raid in the name of fascism secondly there discord has been the site of some serious anti-semetic comments.

Raiding in the name of fascism is still roleplay within NationStates.

I don't know anything about their Discord, I've never joined it myself. I'd hope any comments of that nature were made entirely for the purpose of roleplay.

I don't think you understand the RP/GP line. which does not surprise me as your leader puts OOC in front of everything he says. GP is inherently OOC, so calling it RP is not a defense. Also calling anti-semetic comments made by leading figures of the region are not RP.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

Then we liberated you in the name of antifascism and that.

But we aren't a fascist region...

Raiding in the name of fascism is still roleplay within NationStates.

I don't know anything about their Discord, I've never joined it myself. I'd hope any comments of that nature were made entirely for the purpose of roleplay.

I don't think you understand the RP/GP line. which does not surprise me as your leader puts OOC in front of everything he says. GP is inherently OOC, so calling it RP is not a defense. Also calling anti-semetic comments made by leading figures of the region are not RP.

They are roleplay if they were intended to be interpreted wholly within the game, and not to be taken literally outside of it.

[Caracasus]

Then we liberated you in the name of antifascism and that.

But we aren't a fascist region...

I don't think you understand the RP/GP line. which does not surprise me as your leader puts OOC in front of everything he says. GP is inherently OOC, so calling it RP is not a defense. Also calling anti-semetic comments made by leading figures of the region are not RP.

They are roleplay if they were intended to be interpreted wholly within the game, and not to be taken literally outside of it.

Nobody believes you and because your leadership has thoroughly botched every attempt to explain otherwise - even on the moderation thread - and refused to take the most basic steps everyone suggested to distance yourself from fascism it is unlikely anyone will believe you.

Coupled with that your region is also known for annoying TG campaigns, breaking unwritten rules and attempting to poach nations from other regions and spamming the SC with badly written attempts to self commend.

For those who do go into the Sec Council your region is also known for these long, pointless debates where your leadership never ever takes on board constructive criticism, whines constantly when people rightly get annoyed at you and well, less said about the events ikn this thread the better. I also understand that you've not been making any friends in the sports RP community.

You need to learn to work with others better and stop seeing everything as a conflict that must be won at any cost if you actually want to make any headway in this part of the game.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

But we aren't a fascist region...


They are roleplay if they were intended to be interpreted wholly within the game, and not to be taken literally outside of it.

Nobody believes you and because your leadership has thoroughly botched every attempt to explain otherwise - even on the moderation thread - and refused to take the most basic steps everyone suggested to distance yourself from fascism it is unlikely anyone will believe you.

Coupled with that your region is also known for annoying TG campaigns, breaking unwritten rules and attempting to poach nations from other regions and spamming the SC with badly written attempts to self commend.

For those who do go into the Sec Council your region is also known for these long, pointless debates where your leadership never ever takes on board constructive criticism, whines constantly when people rightly get annoyed at you and well, less said about the events ikn this thread the better. I also understand that you've not been making any friends in the sports RP community.

You need to learn to work with others better and stop seeing everything as a conflict that must be won at any cost if you actually want to make any headway in this part of the game.

What don't you believe? That we aren't real life fascists? I'm telling you right now that no one in the Confederation's government, the Supreme Council, is a real-life fascist. Of course I can't be expected to verify that's also true of the 600+ other nations who reside in our region.

"Annoying" telegram campaigns don't deserve a liberation. Unwritten rules aren't rules. Poaching nations doesn't deserve a liberation. "Spamming" the SC is not only false, and hey, I wrote those... badly written, pfft, wait till he sees my next masterpiece. Taking on board "constructive" criticism would be easier if it was even remotely constructive. We don't whine. And a conflict requires two parties, if things get heated you can't blame that entirely on us.

[Frisbeeteria]

You need to learn to work with others better and stop seeing everything as a conflict that must be won at any cost if you actually want to make any headway in this part of the game.

There are different goals for different players in this game. If their objective is to be obnoxious internet trolls, they're doing an fine job.

[Grater Tovakia]

Nobody believes you and because your leadership has thoroughly botched every attempt to explain otherwise - even on the moderation thread - and refused to take the most basic steps everyone suggested to distance yourself from fascism it is unlikely anyone will believe you.

Coupled with that your region is also known for annoying TG campaigns, breaking unwritten rules and attempting to poach nations from other regions and spamming the SC with badly written attempts to self commend.

For those who do go into the Sec Council your region is also known for these long, pointless debates where your leadership never ever takes on board constructive criticism, whines constantly when people rightly get annoyed at you and well, less said about the events ikn this thread the better. I also understand that you've not been making any friends in the sports RP community.

You need to learn to work with others better and stop seeing everything as a conflict that must be won at any cost if you actually want to make any headway in this part of the game.

What don't you believe? That we aren't real life fascists? I'm telling you right now that no one in the Confederation's government, the Supreme Council, is a real-life fascist. Of course I can't be expected to verify that's also true of the 600+ other nations who reside in our region.

"Annoying" telegram campaigns don't deserve a liberation. Unwritten rules aren't rules. Poaching nations doesn't deserve a liberation. "Spamming" the SC is not only false, and hey, I wrote those... badly written, pfft, wait till he sees my next masterpiece. Taking on board "constructive" criticism would be easier if it was even remotely constructive. We don't whine. And a conflict requires two parties, if things get heated you can't blame that entirely on us.

you may not be a RL facist, but without a doubt CCD facilitates facism.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Nobody believes you and because your leadership has thoroughly botched every attempt to explain otherwise - even on the moderation thread - and refused to take the most basic steps everyone suggested to distance yourself from fascism it is unlikely anyone will believe you.

Coupled with that your region is also known for annoying TG campaigns, breaking unwritten rules and attempting to poach nations from other regions and spamming the SC with badly written attempts to self commend.

For those who do go into the Sec Council your region is also known for these long, pointless debates where your leadership never ever takes on board constructive criticism, whines constantly when people rightly get annoyed at you and well, less said about the events ikn this thread the better. I also understand that you've not been making any friends in the sports RP community.

You need to learn to work with others better and stop seeing everything as a conflict that must be won at any cost if you actually want to make any headway in this part of the game.

What don't you believe? That we aren't real life fascists? I'm telling you right now that no one in the Confederation's government, the Supreme Council, is a real-life fascist. Of course I can't be expected to verify that's also true of the 600+ other nations who reside in our region.

"Annoying" telegram campaigns don't deserve a liberation. Unwritten rules aren't rules. Poaching nations doesn't deserve a liberation. "Spamming" the SC is not only false, and hey, I wrote those... badly written, pfft, wait till he sees my next masterpiece. Taking on board "constructive" criticism would be easier if it was even remotely constructive. We don't whine. And a conflict requires two parties, if things get heated you can't blame that entirely on us.

Am I the only one that thinks it's stupid to piss people off and then complain when they get pissed off?

[Lake Perseverance]

I mean, why? You're not a real corrupt dictator if you don't allow open borders, or so say some.

[The New California Republic]

You need to learn to work with others better and stop seeing everything as a conflict that must be won at any cost if you actually want to make any headway in this part of the game.

There are different goals for different players in this game. If their objective is to be obnoxious internet trolls, they're doing an fine job.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

you may not be a RL facist, but without a doubt CCD facilitates facism.

But is that alone grounds for a liberation?

You need to learn to work with others better and stop seeing everything as a conflict that must be won at any cost if you actually want to make any headway in this part of the game.

There are different goals for different players in this game. If their objective is to be obnoxious internet trolls, they're doing an fine job.

That's not our goal, although it's very encouraging to see a game moderator claim it is.

*sigh* Moderators can be so disappointingly partial

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

you may not be a RL facist, but without a doubt CCD facilitates facism.

But is that alone grounds for a liberation?

There are different goals for different players in this game. If their objective is to be obnoxious internet trolls, they're doing an fine job.

That's not our goal, although it's very encouraging to see a game moderator claim it is.

*sigh* Moderators can be so disappointingly partial

Game moderators are people. People are entitled to opinions.
Would you prefer it if they used a puppet account to state their point of view?

[Grater Tovakia]

you may not be a RL facist, but without a doubt CCD facilitates facism.

But is that alone grounds for a liberation?

There are different goals for different players in this game. If their objective is to be obnoxious internet trolls, they're doing an fine job.

That's not our goal, although it's very encouraging to see a game moderator claim it is.

*sigh* Moderators can be so disappointingly partial

Yes it can absolutely be grounds for liberation, also making comments about mods generates modly wrath.

[Caracasus]

You need to learn to work with others better and stop seeing everything as a conflict that must be won at any cost if you actually want to make any headway in this part of the game.

There are different goals for different players in this game. If their objective is to be obnoxious internet trolls, they're doing an fine job.

That's a fair point actually...

[Witchcraft and Sorcery]

I realize I'm somewhat late, but I've had a chance to read a lot of this thread. The statements of CCD members, the obnoxious TG spam in my inbox, and the asinine, unresponsive clauses of the repeal attempt all really show why this body liberated CCD in the first place. I am pleased to see that this resolution was stomped upon the vote beginning.

I have no problem with a "confederation of corrupt dictators" as an IC region or concept. It could be kinda cool. I can definitely imagine an appropriate way to do it, but this is not one of them. There's a difference between roleplaying corruption/backdoor scheming and being openly OOC friendly towards and refusing to denounce fascists after being served up meatball after meatball, and instead of hitting them out of the park, not even taking a swing.

You can say "we're not fascist" all you want. But the rest of your words and actions do not seem to back you up particularly well. It's been the case for a while, but at this point especially, CCD has struck out. I'll be shocked if this liberation is repealed in the near future.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

Game moderators are people. People are entitled to opinions.
Would you prefer it if they used a puppet account to state their point of view?

I never claimed otherwise. And honestly, yes.

Yes it can absolutely be grounds for liberation

I mean you have a point, really anything can be ground for a liberation if the SC votes for it.

My response to that would be: that would make us the only region to have been liberated for being associated with fascist regions, correct? Why?

You can say "we're not fascist" all you want. But the rest of your words and actions do not seem to back you up particularly well.

You think we're fascists outside of NationStates because we don't denounce fascist regions within NationStates?

[Lord Dominator]

Secondly, if an embassy with them is part of the reason we've been liberated, why haven't they been liberated themselves?

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