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Postby Wrapper » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:01 pm

Caracasus wrote:Pull this as it stands via GHR

Authors can withdraw their own proposals, there's no need to file a GHR.

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Postby RiderSyl » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:01 pm

Looks like Bitely Jr. is buying his way to the queue again. Time for another historic defeat in the vote, I guess.
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Postby Xoriet » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:05 pm

RiderSyl wrote:Looks like Bitely Jr. is buying his way to the queue again. Time for another historic defeat in the vote, I guess.

Helps that nothing else useful is in queue.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:12 pm

Wrapper wrote:Authors can withdraw their own proposals, there's no need to file a GHR.

Ah yes, it was added in the big visual overhaul.

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Postby Jocospor » Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:26 pm

RiderSyl wrote:Looks like Bitely Jr. is buying his way to the queue again. Time for another historic defeat in the vote, I guess.

OOC: Buddy, I don't know why you're so caught up on us having $1.35 to spend. If that's a lot of money for you, I'm not sure how you can afford an ISP to play NationStates.
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Postby Kranostav » Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:13 pm

How many times do we need to teach you this lesson...
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Postby RiderSyl » Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:15 pm

Jocospor wrote:
RiderSyl wrote:Looks like Bitely Jr. is buying his way to the queue again. Time for another historic defeat in the vote, I guess.

OOC: Buddy, I don't know why you're so caught up on us having $1.35 to spend. If that's a lot of money for you, I'm not sure how you can afford an ISP to play NationStates.


Good lord, you picked the wrong person to say this to.

I'm a disabled 25-year-old whose only income is a monthly check from Social Security. I have two thirds of a functioning right lung. The remaining one third of that lung is damaged from chemotherapy, and the entire left lung was removed due a cancerous tumor. That means I cannot walk down a hallway without having to sit down or stop, and no workplace will give me the amount of scheduled breaks I would need to actually work and make a living. I actually don't pay for the ISP I have. I wouldn't have an internet connection and my quality of life would be severely worse than it is now if not for excellent support from my family. $1.35 is a lot of money for me, and I can't see ever asking those that help keep my quality of life in a good place to help me pay for what you do. Pushing forward terribly-written proposals that have no chance of passing on a nation sim that's slowly dying anyway is a waste of money that I don't have, because I have to save every penny after spending hundreds on doctors and pills and vitamins and supplements and tests and operations and groceries and rent.

Don't call me "buddy".
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Postby Jocospor » Sat Mar 30, 2019 11:05 pm

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RiderSyl wrote:
Jocospor wrote:OOC: Buddy, I don't know why you're so caught up on us having $1.35 to spend. If that's a lot of money for you, I'm not sure how you can afford an ISP to play NationStates.


Good lord, you picked the wrong person to say this to.

I'm a disabled 25-year-old whose only income is a monthly check from Social Security. I have two thirds of a functioning right lung. The remaining one third of that lung is damaged from chemotherapy, and the entire left lung was removed due a cancerous tumor. That means I cannot walk down a hallway without having to sit down or stop, and no workplace will give me the amount of scheduled breaks I would need to actually work and make a living. I actually don't pay for the ISP I have. I wouldn't have an internet connection and my qualify life would be severely worse than it is now if not for excellent support from my family. $1.35 is a lot of money for me, and I can't see ever asking those that help keep my quality of life in a good place to help me pay for what you do. Pushing forward terribly-written proposals that have no chance of passing on a nation sim that's slowly dying anyway is a waste of money that I don't have, because I have to save every penny after spending hundreds on doctors and pills and vitamins and supplements and tests and operations and groceries and rent.

Don't call me "buddy".

OOC: Obviously I can't verify the extent of your situation, nor should I be expected to have known it, but if it's true then I'm sorry (though if your family is providing financial assistance for your internet and not your food or rent then I would suggest you talk to them about that). That's relatively a poor quality of life that I'm very thankful I did (EDIT: don't) live. I'm sure you'll make something meaningful from it through strength and perseverance, no matter how difficult that may be.

At the same time, this is my life. I'm going to play NationStates the way I want to, whether that aligns to your beliefs or not. Everyone should play NationStates the way they want to, whether that's your way or my way or another way.

I'm also going to spend the money that I earn how I want. I certainly don't appreciate the guilt trip you've tried to take me on.

Let's get this thread back on topic: if all goes well, this proposal should reach quorum soon.
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Postby RiderSyl » Sat Mar 30, 2019 11:28 pm

Jocospor wrote:Obviously I can't verify the extent of your situation, nor should I be expected to have known it, but if it's true then I'm sorry

I can practically feel how sorry you are through the screen.

Jocospor wrote:I'm also going to spend the money that I earn how I want. I certainly don't appreciate the guilt trip you've tried to take me on.

Guilt trip? The fact you may have had a fleeting moment of guilt before convincing yourself that I was just trying to guilt trip you doesn't mean that's what actually happened. You're the one that condescendingly brought up the idea of what I can afford. You brought up the idea of what's a lot of money for me.

I don't give a damn whether you knew my situation or not. Having me snap back at you because I actually really can't support myself financially is not guilt tripping. It's your smug little remark backfiring on you.

Getting back on topic, though, is a good idea. Why do you keep campaigning for proposals you have to know by now will never pass?
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat Mar 30, 2019 11:36 pm

RiderSyl wrote:Looks like Bitely Jr. is buying his way to the queue again. Time for another historic defeat in the vote, I guess.

Already given TWP’s Delegate a heads-up to stomp this as soon as possible after it gets to vote.
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Postby Jocospor » Sat Mar 30, 2019 11:51 pm

RiderSyl wrote:
Jocospor wrote:Obviously I can't verify the extent of your situation, nor should I be expected to have known it, but if it's true then I'm sorry

I can practically feel how sorry you are through the screen.

Jocospor wrote:I'm also going to spend the money that I earn how I want. I certainly don't appreciate the guilt trip you've tried to take me on.

Guilt trip? The fact you may have had a fleeting moment of guilt before convincing yourself that I was just trying to guilt trip you doesn't mean that's what actually happened. You're the one that condescendingly brought up the idea of what I can afford. You brought up the idea of what's a lot of money for me.

I don't give a damn whether you knew my situation or not. Having me snap back at you because I actually really can't support myself financially is not guilt tripping. It's your smug little remark backfiring on you.

Getting back on topic, though, is a good idea. Why do you keep campaigning for proposals you have to know by now will never pass?

OOC: tries VERY hard to ignore all the implications above...and luckily succeeds.

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Postby RiderSyl » Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:06 am

Jocospor wrote:OOC: tries VERY hard to ignore all the implications above...and luckily succeeds.

Apparently not.

Jocospor wrote:For the last time: Check. Your. Diary.


My diary says "Jocospor is just doing it for attention."
Is that true?
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Postby Cataluna » Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:56 am

Wallet shaming people. That's a yikes, even from you reactionaries. Can you find something better to do that's not harassing the working class?
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Postby Honeydewistania » Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:18 am

I know, right? While these rich kids with their telegram stamps pushing for these darn campaigns while I work 25 hours a day making $1 selling McDonalds Burgers. Its time for a revolution! Grab your pitchforks, comrades!
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Postby Caracasus » Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:27 am

Fucking hell.... learn to actually apologise when you say something out of order...

And everyone knows what you are doing. The trouble is an april fool's joke has to actually be funny.
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Postby Blood Wine » Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:18 am

Jocospor wrote:
Blood Wine wrote:
Maybe you should read up on the SC before you make assumptions

commend and condemn resolutions are badges of honour, they are both good to get - neolibs are designed to actually properly tell the community "this region is an absolute hotbed of shit that you should avoid"

Approvals: 43 (Lyakhovia, Jocospor, Insurgia, Ramaeus, Eldurgoth, Cribermyakerds, Holy Britannian Empires, The Sovereign Kingdom of Immobilia, The Britannia Republic, Velnai, Galrythia, Gran Argreriana, Independent Federation of Croatia, Tranq, Republic of Dixie, Lulus Roadhouse, Kakazagistan, Flopdania, Mikeswill, United Republic Empire, Rughzhenhaide, Greater Germany, Brazika, New Nationale Einheit, Tre Sollos, Greater Slavicland, Vancouvia, Arrstotzka, Standardized Tests, Bruhhhhhhhhhhh, The Upper Balkans, Irish socialist soviet republics, The Imperial Islands of The Pacific, Chicken Cutlet, Helgania, Snowman, Japanese Philippines, Swedish Mercenaries, Clesh, Leglisslanistapitz, Libervalley, Ratnasambhava, The Chuck)

these people are on the same list as literal nazi's


OOC: I have to say, you're not sounding very intelligent at the moment. I'm not sure Mikeswill from a very centrist region would appreciate your inference that they're a Nazi.


Your ignorance of the GP community is staggering sometimes Mikeswill is an obvious exception, considering they are heavily anti SC - considering any regular knows this I didn't feel like it was even remotely worth mentioning

RiderSyl wrote:Looks like Bitely Jr. is buying his way to the queue again. Time for another historic defeat in the vote, I guess.


Fun fact: they keep sending it to LGBT regions, we get a good laugh at it every time

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Postby ShrewLlamaLand » Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:20 am

Caracasus wrote:Fucking hell.... learn to actually apologise when you say something out of order...

I don't see anything here that was said out of order. Care to point it out?

Honeydewistania wrote:I know, right? While these rich kids with their telegram stamps pushing for these darn campaigns while I work 25 hours a day making $1 selling McDonalds Burgers. Its time for a revolution! Grab your pitchforks, comrades!

Can I start a petition to add the "like" button to forum posts?
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Postby ShrewLlamaLand » Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:24 am

Blood Wine wrote:
Jocospor wrote:OOC: I have to say, you're not sounding very intelligent at the moment. I'm not sure Mikeswill from a very centrist region would appreciate your inference that they're a Nazi.


Your ignorance of the GP community is staggering sometimes Mikeswill is an obvious exception, considering they are heavily anti SC - considering any regular knows this I didn't feel like it was even remotely worth mentioning

Your statement implied they were somehow associated with Nazi regions. You're free to use some of your backwards logic to explain how they're actually Nazis, though, see: every topic that has anything to do with our region.

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RiderSyl wrote:Looks like Bitely Jr. is buying his way to the queue again. Time for another historic defeat in the vote, I guess.


Fun fact: they keep sending it to LGBT regions, we get a good laugh at it every time

Actually, if you look really hard you'll see I sent that telegram with tag:delegates. I'm not purposefully sending it to "LGBT regions".

If you like, send me a reminder next time I post up a SC draft to leave your region out of the campaign telegram - that 1/10th of one cent adds up.
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Postby RiderSyl » Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:48 am

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
Caracasus wrote:Fucking hell.... learn to actually apologise when you say something out of order...

I don't see anything here that was said out of order. Care to point it out?


It's the post where Jocospor unknowingly says "I'm not sure how you can afford an ISP to play NationStates" to someone that legitimately cannot financially support themselves for health reasons.
It's on page 3 of this thread.
I really doubt you didn't see it.

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Honeydewistania wrote:I know, right? While these rich kids with their telegram stamps pushing for these darn campaigns while I work 25 hours a day making $1 selling McDonalds Burgers. Its time for a revolution! Grab your pitchforks, comrades!

Can I start a petition to add the "like" button to forum posts?


Okay. I need to type this out just so you understand what you're doing. You're gushing over a post that makes fun of the idea of someone being poor compared to people that have telegram stamps after I just admitted to being exactly that poor. What's wrong with y'all?

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Actually, if you look really hard you'll see I sent that telegram with tag:delegates. I'm not purposefully sending it to "LGBT regions".


... and why is that in air quotes?
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Postby Jocospor » Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:28 am

Cataluna wrote:Wallet shaming people. That's a yikes, even from you reactionaries. Can you find something better to do that's not harassing the working class?


OOC: OH. WALLET SHAMING. HAH.

RiderSyl wrote:Looks like Bitely Jr. is buying his way to the queue again.
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Postby Jocospor » Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:31 am

Caracasus wrote:And everyone knows what you are doing. The trouble is an april fool's joke has to actually be funny.


OOC: Ding ding ding!! Although I don't quite think everyone understood, but at least the cat's out of the bag now.
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Postby RiderSyl » Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:33 am

Jocospor wrote:
Cataluna wrote:Wallet shaming people. That's a yikes, even from you reactionaries. Can you find something better to do that's not harassing the working class?


OOC: OH. WALLET SHAMING. HAH.

RiderSyl wrote:Looks like Bitely Jr. is buying his way to the queue again.


Any shame you felt over my comment was entirely deserved. The amount of shit proposals you've flooded the SC voting floor with is shameful, and you've done it by endlessly buying stamps.
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Postby ShrewLlamaLand » Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:36 am

RiderSyl wrote:
ShrewLlamaLand wrote:I don't see anything here that was said out of order. Care to point it out?


It's the post where Jocospor unknowingly says "I'm not sure how you can afford an ISP to play NationStates" to someone that legitimately cannot financially support themselves for health reasons.
It's on page 3 of this thread.
I really doubt you didn't see it.

I really don't think that's out of line.

We've never brought up the money thing, it's always brought up by others because apparently "lol spend more money from mum's credit card" invalidates the points we've made?

I personally don't think $1.35 is a lot of money, and I think it's a fairly safe assumption that most people living in developed countries don't see it as a lot of money either. I don't see how you can reasonably expect anyone to know your individual situation.

RiderSyl wrote:
ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Actually, if you look really hard you'll see I sent that telegram with tag:delegates. I'm not purposefully sending it to "LGBT regions".


... and why is that in air quotes?

I'm not familiar with the use of "air quotes" in text form. Can you explain how they're used?
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Postby RiderSyl » Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:44 am

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:We've never brought up the money thing, it's always brought up by others because apparently "lol spend more money from mum's credit card" invalidates the points we've made?


Blood Wine brought up LGBT regions being tagged and you mentioned saving money on stamps. So, yeah, your statement that y'all never bring it up can be disproved right here on this page.

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:I personally don't think $1.35 is a lot of money, and I think it's a fairly safe assumption that most people living in developed countries don't see it as a lot of money either.

Well, it wasn't a safe assumption this time.

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:I don't see how you can reasonably expect anyone to know your individual situation.

While that's totally fair... y'alls behavior upon being made aware of it has been amazingly awful.
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Postby Jocospor » Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:46 am

RiderSyl wrote:While that's totally fair... y'alls behavior upon being made aware of it has been amazingly awful.


OOC: I'm sorry you missed my genuine remarks. I did mean them.
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