[DEFEATED/DISCARDED] Condemn Civil Defence Siren

[Kinnies]

How civil defence siren isn't harassment I'll never understand but the mods claim it isn't.

*gets one (1) telegram that my new region is fascist* help help I’m being harassed!!!1!

[Kranostav]

The WA cannot ban fascism nor any other ideology FYI

Correction, the GA can not (at least specifically, death of a thousand cuts is perfectly fine). The SC can't actually ban anything due to the categories, but I think we can assume it would if it could.

Against, obviously

So long story short... I was correct

[Prydania]

That R3 violation....good job CoCD. Good job.
golf clap

[The Reddington States]

I don't see the importance of a Civil Defence Siren. To start with, fascists are proud of their political views. Do they want liberals or leftists entering their region? The answer to that is probably not. You'd believe that the Civil Defence Siren is doing fascist regions a favor by scaring off users who follow "an ideology of degeneracy".

Furthermore, it's utterly ineffective in non-fascist regions. Redlandia should not be there but many of us stopped caring when we noticed that the number of members in the region grew by around twenty despite a siren in effect. The new members also questioned whether or not the CDS was factual. Our answer to their question was, "See for yourself and determine for yourself if our region is right for you".

The Civil Defence Siren is just kinda pointless. It didn't stop any new nations from joining CCD (a region I don't perceive as fascist but has a very difficult time alienating itself from actual fascists), or Redlandia, for that matter.

Regardless of the vote, I'm pretty glad the CDS was brought up. The CDS is like Wile E. Coyote trying to catch the Road Runner: it tries to negatively affect recruitment numbers but never really does.

[Lord Dominator]

Correction, the GA can not (at least specifically, death of a thousand cuts is perfectly fine). The SC can't actually ban anything due to the categories, but I think we can assume it would if it could.

Against, obviously

So long story short... I was correct

As much as it pains me, technically yes

[Novum Vallis]

Doesn't matter if the CDS is condemned by the SC, this is the most useless tool to combat fascism.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

I just realized about a minute late that the active clause is "Hereby Condemns Civil Defense Siren", but the nation being targeted for the condemn is "Civil Defence Siren". This is an R3 violation and therefore I've marked this proposal to be discarded at the end of the vote. I blame Wrapper.

That was a bit slack of the author. Oh wait, Slackertown. Well that explains it.

[Honeydewistania]

I don't see the importance of a Civil Defence Siren. To start with, fascists are proud of their political views. Do they want liberals or leftists entering their region? The answer to that is probably not. You'd believe that the Civil Defence Siren is doing fascist regions a favor by scaring off users who follow "an ideology of degeneracy".

Furthermore, it's utterly ineffective in non-fascist regions. Redlandia should not be there but many of us stopped caring when we noticed that the number of members in the region grew by around twenty despite a siren in effect. The new members also questioned whether or not the CDS was factual. Our answer to their question was, "See for yourself and determine for yourself if our region is right for you".

The Civil Defence Siren is just kinda pointless. It didn't stop any new nations from joining CCD (a region I don't perceive as fascist but has a very difficult time alienating itself from actual fascists), or Redlandia, for that matter.

Regardless of the vote, I'm pretty glad the CDS was brought up. The CDS is like Wile E. Coyote trying to catch the Road Runner: it tries to negatively affect recruitment numbers but never really does.

The point of CDS is to let prospective members of these fascist regions know they're in a fascist region. For example, a normal dictatorship wants to join CCD but doesn't know its fascist. The CDS lets them know that. If they're fascist, well then okay.

Also my usual 'redlandia big fascist so their opinion doesn't matter' applies.

[Sterkistan]

I realize taking on the Pacific Political Gang is impossible but let's give democracy a chance shall we?

The Civil Defence Siren is a puppet nation set up to spread lies and slander about regions, to the simple end of gaining more members and more power in the Pacific regions. This circumventing of the WA is disgraceful.

The Security Council,

Acknowledging Nazism and related Ideologies as some of the most vile beliefs in existence.

Reaffirming that such political stances will never be accepted within the World Assembly.

Fully Aware that any nation that is a member of the World Assembly already has sufficient laws in place to ban Nazism and related Ideologies.

Remembering that the World Assembly are is not a fascist organization, and all nations must be free to pursue their own method of government. Especially when those nations are not WA members.

Recognizing that the World Assembly is the only legal method of fighting Nazism and related Ideologies.

Hereby Condemns Civil Defense Siren for attempting to force their own beliefs upon the world at large, denying nations the freedom to choose what is right for their own citizens, spreading slander and lies about regions, and refusing to follow legal means to fight ideological battles.

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You say lots of things between the first and final paragraphs, but the entirety of the body has absolutely nothing to do with what is being said in either the opening or the conclusion. In fact, things are added to the end paragraph that aren't in the opening paragraph.

You could seriously remove every paragraph apart from the introduction and conclusion and the argument would not lose anything, it's just padding, the worst kind of padding even.

Regardless, I don't think any kind of improvements can be made to fix this or get it to a passing quality. Not through "Oh the Pacifics just hate that we would even touch CDS." But because the resolution has no supporting evidence and is generally just extremely poor.

How this even got to voting is a mystery. AGAINST

[Honeydewistania]

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The WA cannot ban fascism nor any other ideology FYI

I knew that.

Hope it passes, know it won't. How civil defence siren isn't harassment I'll never understand but the mods claim it isn't.

So recruitment telegrams must be harassment then?

[Scherzinger]

its nice to know that regardless of how good or bad this is, that the majority of people voting here are ok with Nazism. ALthough i am willing to bet that a good 70% of these people lean left, and since the left loves nazis and anti Semites, im not surprised that there is such an overwhelming majority against this proposal.

But whos gonna bother to read this and reply constructively? Since i live in the CCD and i have a history of speaking out against you democracy loving filth, it means that this whole remark is gonna get nothing but crud from yall. Thats ok, you profile me, i have no problem profiling you, as i did with the statement above.

For, purely because (irl) as a German disgusted with nazism and anti-semitism, i refuse to let some elitists who have been writing these things for years bash it because of 'bad english' or 'poor formatting' etc.

and now i wait for the reputable democracy lovers to respond in a more negative manner than my own.

[Ragnaria]

Why is this even up for a vote? It's utterly pointless.

[The Gilded Star]

its nice to know that regardless of how good or bad this is, that the majority of people voting here are ok with Nazism.

You may need to explain how condemning a warning against nazism is anti-nazism, and supporting a warning against of nazism is pro-nazism. I don't think we'll agree to see eye to eye on the matter, but I'm genuinely curious to see your explanation anyway.

Though, to be technical, most of the nations are being accused of being fascist in general rather than specifically Nazi, and almost all of the nations it lists openly describe themselves as fascist. I don't know how, for example, calling The Coalition of Fascist Nations fascist is considered a slanderous lie. I mean, it's right there in the name, you know?

i refuse to let some elitists who have been writing these things for years bash it because of 'bad english' or 'poor formatting' etc.

While the WA isn't real life, it does try to imitate real life as best as it can, and it's incredibly important for real-life legally binding documents to be as articulated and ironclad as possible to avoid loopholes, exploitation, unambiguous interpretations, and et cetera. So yeah, poor formatting is a big deal, and it goes for any and every proposal regardless of the subject material.

[Sterkistan]

its nice to know that regardless of how good or bad this is, that the majority of people voting here are ok with Nazism. ALthough i am willing to bet that a good 70% of these people lean left, and since the left loves nazis and anti Semites, im not surprised that there is such an overwhelming majority against this proposal.

But whos gonna bother to read this and reply constructively? Since i live in the CCD and i have a history of speaking out against you democracy loving filth, it means that this whole remark is gonna get nothing but crud from yall. Thats ok, you profile me, i have no problem profiling you, as i did with the statement above.

For, purely because (irl) as a German disgusted with nazism and anti-semitism, i refuse to let some elitists who have been writing these things for years bash it because of 'bad english' or 'poor formatting' etc.

and now i wait for the reputable democracy lovers to respond in a more negative manner than my own.

Sorry? How does this proposal combat Nazism in any form?

[Wrapper]

I just realized about a minute late that the active clause is "Hereby Condemns Civil Defense Siren", but the nation being targeted for the condemn is "Civil Defence Siren". This is an R3 violation and therefore I've marked this proposal to be discarded at the end of the vote. I blame Wrapper.

It wasn't my fault. Honest. I ran out of gas. I had a flat tire. I… I didn’t have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn’t come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake! A terrible flood! Locusts! IT WASN’T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!

[Guy]

its nice to know that regardless of how good or bad this is, that the majority of people voting here are ok with Nazism.

The proposal:

1. Is very unclear;
2. Seeks to condemn a nation that sends out telegrams warning people when they are entering a region that has fascist tendencies.

Voting against such a resolution does not make one "ok with Nazism".

[Frattastan IV]

its nice to know that regardless of how good or bad this is, that the majority of people voting here are ok with Nazism. ALthough i am willing to bet that a good 70% of these people lean left, and since the left loves nazis and anti Semites, im not surprised that there is such an overwhelming majority against this proposal.

But whos gonna bother to read this and reply constructively?

It's hard to respond constructively to a non-existent argument. You literally just said that opponents are "ok with Nazism" because they are democracy-loving lefties.

For, purely because (irl) as a German disgusted with nazism and anti-semitism,

*looks at the signature*

Ah, you are one of those.

[Slackertown]

I just have to point out how hilarious it is to me that the complainers started off with "This will never make it to the vote" then once it made it to the vote, started complaining that it's illegal.

[Soviet Liberal Union]

I just have to point out how hilarious it is to me that the complainers started off with "This will never make it to the vote" then once it made it to the vote, started complaining that it's illegal.

This wouldn't had made it to vote if it wasn't for Jocospor spending his lunch money here.

[Ransium]

I just have to point out how hilarious it is to me that the complainers started off with "This will never make it to the vote" then once it made it to the vote, started complaining that it's illegal.

Nobodies really complaining, it just is illegal. I just happened to not notice the illegality until it came to vote. If the voting totals were such that it passed it wouldn't go into effect because I've marked it discard. Also, most people were saying it would never pass, not that it would never make it to vote. The latter isn't really that hard.

[Bears Armed]

I just realized about a minute late that the active clause is "Hereby Condemns Civil Defense Siren", but the nation being targeted for the condemn is "Civil Defence Siren". This is an R3 violation and therefore I've marked this proposal to be discarded at the end of the vote. I blame Wrapper.

Nothing new. Remember SC#5 'Commend 10000 Islands', with its operative clause "Hereby commends 10000 Island"?

https://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_pa ... /council=2
10000 Island

[United States of Americanas]

Read the bloody dispatch!

What is this?

“The Civil Defence Siren is an automated telegram system that alerts nations moving to regions embracing Nazi and/or Fascist ideologies. The goal of the system is to ensure that nations are fully informed of the dangers of residing in a Nazi/Fascist region, and to encourage them to consider relocating.”

CDS is an automated warning system warning people to stay AWAY from Nazi and fascist regions.

This resolution is written like garbage and belongs in the garbage can.

How GenSec even let this come to vote baffles me.

[Bears Armed]

How GenSec even let this come to vote baffles me.

GenSec's authority is restricted to the GA: We have no say over the legality of SC proposals.

[United States of Americanas]

How GenSec even let this come to vote baffles me.

GenSec's authority is restricted to the GA: We have no say over the legality of SC proposals.

All makes sense now. Because if y’all were in charge of the SC this thing would have never made it to the floor.

[United States of Americanas]

How civil defence siren isn't harassment I'll never understand but the mods claim it isn't.

*gets one (1) telegram that my new region is fascist* help help I’m being harassed!!!1!

Apparently someone here hasn’t fully figured out the telegram preferences. There’s a convenient block button available to use and you can block all automated telegrams as well from the aforementioned preferences panel.