[DEFEATED/DISCARDED] Condemn Civil Defence Siren

[Jocospor]

OOC:

>any effort
>writes proposal

Great logic. Deflect from the issue all you want, but the problem still stands. The moderators are, yet again, at fault - and instead of admitting this, they behave in a seemingly juvenile way, too arrogant to admit their errors. Most disappointing.

This slacker from slackertown just pulled some bs together and couldn't even bother to get the spelling in his operating clause right because he has the massive CCD salt. They just wrote some hot garbage. And are you not deflecting the problem? The problem is that CCD is getting shat on, but you're blaming the mods. Talk about arrogant.

OOC:

Oh, wow. The Confederation getting "shat on" (delightful) is a matter of gameplay within NationStates. The moderators failing to perform their duties goes beyond whatever might transpire in gameplay; it's undermining the game itself as a whole. Surely that makes sense to you?

[Caracasus]

This slacker from slackertown just pulled some bs together and couldn't even bother to get the spelling in his operating clause right because he has the massive CCD salt. They just wrote some hot garbage. And are you not deflecting the problem? The problem is that CCD is getting shat on, but you're blaming the mods. Talk about arrogant.

OOC:

Oh, wow. The Confederation getting "shat on" (delightful) is a matter of gameplay within NationStates. The moderators failing to perform their duties goes beyond whatever might transpire in gameplay; it's undermining the game itself as a whole. Surely that makes sense to you?

Why do you feel the moderators should have to proofread every single pile that you slam a buncha TG stamps at?

Your author here needed to check their work before submitting it. Hell, if it had actually been drafted properly and not rushed to vote at usual breakneck speed a passing player might even have checked it for you.

[Jocospor]

The moderators likely assumed that the author would either check and proofread their work or get someone else to do it before submission.

They're moderators, not proofreaders. The person who dropped the ball was the person who submitted it with a typo. I'd also argue that the person who blew a load of TG stamps on a proposal with a typo in it dropped the ball too. Don't try to deflect.

OOC: Caracasus, you and I have had some positive discourse lately so let's not ruin it now. In their entire capacity as SC legality-enforcers, the moderator's are proofreaders, as mundane as it may seem. If they're unable to complete this editorial requirement of their job, then a GenSec for the SC should be created. On the whole (though granted the GA is far more subjective than the SC), GenSec seems to make few mistakes.

[Honeydewistania]

This slacker from slackertown just pulled some bs together and couldn't even bother to get the spelling in his operating clause right because he has the massive CCD salt. They just wrote some hot garbage. And are you not deflecting the problem? The problem is that CCD is getting shat on, but you're blaming the mods. Talk about arrogant.

OOC:

Oh, wow. The Confederation getting "shat on" (delightful) is a matter of gameplay within NationStates. The moderators failing to perform their duties goes beyond whatever might transpire in gameplay; it's undermining the game itself as a whole. Surely that makes sense to you?

The mods don't have to read through your shitty proposals. It's your fault that you weren't responsible enough to fix a typo, and spend your allowance on it. Moderators are humans, like you and me (hopefully). They made a mistake, amidst countless reports they do and resolve? And you're acting like it destroyed this guy's whole author writing dreams. Grow up.

[Honeydewistania]

The moderators likely assumed that the author would either check and proofread their work or get someone else to do it before submission.

They're moderators, not proofreaders. The person who dropped the ball was the person who submitted it with a typo. I'd also argue that the person who blew a load of TG stamps on a proposal with a typo in it dropped the ball too. Don't try to deflect.

OOC: Caracasus, you and I have had some positive discourse lately so let's not ruin it now. In their entire capacity as SC legality-enforcers, the moderator's are proofreaders, as mundane as it may seem. If they're unable to complete this editorial requirement of their job, then a GenSec for the SC should be created. On the whole (though granted the GA is far more subjective than the SC), GenSec seems to make few mistakes.

Anyways admit it. Did you notice the mistake after reading through it? Are you expecting the moderators to have eagle eyesight and spot that?

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

The moderators likely assumed that the author would either check and proofread their work or get someone else to do it before submission.

They're moderators, not proofreaders. The person who dropped the ball was the person who submitted it with a typo. I'd also argue that the person who blew a load of TG stamps on a proposal with a typo in it dropped the ball too. Don't try to deflect.

OOC: Caracasus, you and I have had some positive discourse lately so let's not ruin it now. In their entire capacity as SC legality-enforcers, the moderator's are proofreaders, as mundane as it may seem. If they're unable to complete this editorial requirement of their job, then a GenSec for the SC should be created. On the whole (though granted the GA is far more subjective than the SC), GenSec seems to make few mistakes.

The SC mods in my experience, and that's a lot longer than yours, make relatively few mistakes. The author is at fault, nobody else. Or has the thought of personal responsibility bypassed you?

[Jocospor]

OOC:

Oh, wow. The Confederation getting "shat on" (delightful) is a matter of gameplay within NationStates. The moderators failing to perform their duties goes beyond whatever might transpire in gameplay; it's undermining the game itself as a whole. Surely that makes sense to you?

Why do you feel the moderators should have to proofread every single pile that you slam a buncha TG stamps at?

Your author here needed to check their work before submitting it. Hell, if it had actually been drafted properly and not rushed to vote at usual breakneck speed a passing player might even have checked it for you.

OOC: I'm sorry, you're not getting it. The fact of the matter is I've drafted proposals for months, submitted them and they've been marked illegal. The early submission (yes, it was pretty quick, I acknowledge that) isn't the issue here. There are no other syntax errors in this proposal other than one minor typo: Defense instead of Defence. For all you know, the alternate spelling might be ethnically accurate for the author. I don't think it's necessarily fair to start crying "Check your work!"

Again, I say that if the moderators are going to adopt a lax approach to checking for illegalities, they need a similarly lax approach to discarding proposals that are illegal only by very minor errors.

[Honeydewistania]

Why do you feel the moderators should have to proofread every single pile that you slam a buncha TG stamps at?

Your author here needed to check their work before submitting it. Hell, if it had actually been drafted properly and not rushed to vote at usual breakneck speed a passing player might even have checked it for you.

OOC: I'm sorry, you're not getting it. The fact of the matter is I've drafted proposals for months, submitted them and they've been marked illegal. The early submission (yes, it was pretty quick, I acknowledge that) isn't the issue here. There are no other syntax errors in this proposal other than one minor typo: Defense instead of Defence. For all you know, the alternate spelling might be ethnically accurate for the author. I don't think it's necessarily fair to start crying "Check your work!"
Again, I say that if the moderators are going to adopt a lax approach to checking for illegalities, they need a similarly lax approach to discarding proposals that are illegal only by very minor errors.

Do you realise how serious that one typo is? The Civil Defence Siren and the Civil Defense Siren could mean two entirely different things. What is he condemning?

Also first you complain about the moderators not doing work, now you complain they are too strict. What are you trying to bring accross?

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Also first you complain about the moderators not doing work, now you complain they are too strict. What are you trying to bring accross?

I think he wants a free ride for any proposal that comes down from himself and members of his region.

[Jocospor]

OOC:

Oh, wow. The Confederation getting "shat on" (delightful) is a matter of gameplay within NationStates. The moderators failing to perform their duties goes beyond whatever might transpire in gameplay; it's undermining the game itself as a whole. Surely that makes sense to you?

The mods don't have to read through your shitty proposals. It's your fault that you weren't responsible enough to fix a typo, and spend your allowance on it. Moderators are humans, like you and me (hopefully). They made a mistake, amidst countless reports they do and resolve? And you're acting like it destroyed this guy's whole author writing dreams. Grow up.

OOC: I'm not sure why you've followed resolve with a question mark. I guess you should proofread your work more carefully. Similarly, the second clause in the second sentence reads poorly, as do other phrases. On the whole, I would reword, were I you, and not subject us all to your negligently constructed paragraphs. Then again, you're only human, after all.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

OOC: I'm sorry, you're not getting it. The fact of the matter is I've drafted proposals for months, submitted them and they've been marked illegal. The early submission (yes, it was pretty quick, I acknowledge that) isn't the issue here. There are no other syntax errors in this proposal other than one minor typo: Defense instead of Defence. For all you know, the alternate spelling might be ethnically accurate for the author. I don't think it's necessarily fair to start crying "Check your work!"
Again, I say that if the moderators are going to adopt a lax approach to checking for illegalities, they need a similarly lax approach to discarding proposals that are illegal only by very minor errors.

Do you realise how serious that one typo is? The Civil Defence Siren and the Civil Defense Siren could mean two entirely different things. What is he condemning?

Also first you complain about the moderators not doing work, now you complain they are too strict. What are you trying to bring accross?

They're quite obviously not different things though, are they

[Jocospor]

Do you realise how serious that one typo is? The Civil Defence Siren and the Civil Defense Siren could mean two entirely different things. What is he condemning?

Also first you complain about the moderators not doing work, now you complain they are too strict. What are you trying to bring accross?

They're quite obviously not different things though, are they

OOC: This.

[Bears Armed]

They're quite obviously not different things though, are they

Until somebody founds a nation with the alternative spelling and claims that the condemnation belongs to them...

^_^

[Jocospor]

They're quite obviously not different things though, are they

Until somebody founds a nation with the alternative spelling and claims that the condemnation belongs to them...

^_^

OOC: And that says more about the founding nation than the proposal.

[Kuriko]

They're quite obviously not different things though, are they

Until somebody founds a nation with the alternative spelling and claims that the condemnation belongs to them...

^_^

Can't for about 45 more days

[Honeydewistania]

Do you realise how serious that one typo is? The Civil Defence Siren and the Civil Defense Siren could mean two entirely different things. What is he condemning?

Also first you complain about the moderators not doing work, now you complain they are too strict. What are you trying to bring accross?

They're quite obviously not different things though, are they

How?

[Caracasus]

Why do you feel the moderators should have to proofread every single pile that you slam a buncha TG stamps at?

Your author here needed to check their work before submitting it. Hell, if it had actually been drafted properly and not rushed to vote at usual breakneck speed a passing player might even have checked it for you.

OOC: I'm sorry, you're not getting it. The fact of the matter is I've drafted proposals for months, submitted them and they've been marked illegal. The early submission (yes, it was pretty quick, I acknowledge that) isn't the issue here. There are no other syntax errors in this proposal other than one minor typo: Defense instead of Defence. For all you know, the alternate spelling might be ethnically accurate for the author. I don't think it's necessarily fair to start crying "Check your work!"

Again, I say that if the moderators are going to adopt a lax approach to checking for illegalities, they need a similarly lax approach to discarding proposals that are illegal only by very minor errors.

Who made the origonal error?

[Marxist Germany]

OOC: I'm sorry, you're not getting it. The fact of the matter is I've drafted proposals for months, submitted them and they've been marked illegal. The early submission (yes, it was pretty quick, I acknowledge that) isn't the issue here. There are no other syntax errors in this proposal other than one minor typo: Defense instead of Defence. For all you know, the alternate spelling might be ethnically accurate for the author. I don't think it's necessarily fair to start crying "Check your work!"

Again, I say that if the moderators are going to adopt a lax approach to checking for illegalities, they need a similarly lax approach to discarding proposals that are illegal only by very minor errors.

Who made the origonal error?

OOC:Original

[Caracasus]

Who made the origonal error?

OOC:Original

Yeah I am as dyslexic as fuck so often make spg errors. I made quite a few in my proposal, which I asked people to read over for me.

I didn't submit it and get pissed off because it was marked illegal due to typos.

[Jocospor]

OOC:Original

Yeah I am as dyslexic as fuck so often make spg errors. I made quite a few in my proposal, which I asked people to read over for me.

I didn't submit it and get pissed off because it was marked illegal due to typos.

OOC: Doesn't seem like a wonderful attribute for an issues editor. :/

[Caracasus]

Yeah I am as dyslexic as fuck so often make spg errors. I made quite a few in my proposal, which I asked people to read over for me.

I didn't submit it and get pissed off because it was marked illegal due to typos.

OOC: Doesn't seem like a wonderful attribute for an issues editor. :/

It's actually very useful indeed. I know how for some people spelling, syntax and organising the structure of text can be like pulling teeth. This makes me better in some ways at getting really creative, insightful and interesting content out of work that would otherwise possibly be missed.

[Ransium]

The moderators are, yet again, at fault - and instead of admitting this, they behave in a seemingly juvenile way, too arrogant to admit their errors. Most disappointing.

Dude, I'm not too arrogant to admit my error. I fucked up. I wish I hadn't fucked up, but I did. But you know what, from time to time it's going to happen. The way things can be illegal in the SC is easy to miss sometimes. I've made mistakes in the past and I'll make mistakes in the future. All I can do is hope to learn from the ways I messed up in the past and not mess up on the future. I'm sorry that you and the author feel wronged by the fact that I messed up and that I've messed up in the past. I'm just a human being who makes mistakes sometimes.

We're not changing the rules because I failed to immediately recognize an easy to miss typo though. Allowing the active clause to target something other than the proposed target opens up all kinds of shenanigans we don't want.

I don't think having a GenSec for the SC would work great either, particularly if you want Wrapper and me of it. There just aren't that many people well-versed in the SC rules who are active, and the calls are usually, but not always, fairly objective. Anyone who would serve on the SC's GenSec (BBD, Kuriko) probably also read this proposal looking for illegalities and missed the typo as well.

[New Bremerton]

So if I understand correctly, CDS merely sends TGs to players who leave a feeder region to join a region that the CDS considers to be fascist, but doesn't participate in any raids? My totalitarian puppet never received a TG when it briefly joined, and then left, the CCD, which didn't have the word "fascist" in its name. Not going to vote for because it's just a non-binding "travel advisory", and secondly because most of the listed regions ARE either RP or IRL fascist, including the author's region (CCD). On the other hand, I see that non-fascist Redlandia, the Northern Redlands' successor, is still on the list, which is a glaring oversight on their part. Therefore, I'll be ABSTAINING rather than voting against.

[Kuriko]

The moderators are, yet again, at fault - and instead of admitting this, they behave in a seemingly juvenile way, too arrogant to admit their errors. Most disappointing.

Dude, I'm not too arrogant to admit my error. I fucked up. I wish I hadn't fucked up, but I did. But you know what, from time to time it's going to happen. The way things can be illegal in the SC is easy to miss sometimes. I've made mistakes in the past and I'll make mistakes in the future. All I can do is hope to learn from the ways I messed up in the past and not mess up on the future. I'm sorry that you and the author feel wronged by the fact that I messed up and that I've messed up in the past. I'm just a human being who makes mistakes sometimes.

We're not changing the rules because I failed to immediately recognize an easy to miss typo though. Allowing the active clause to target something other than the proposed target opens up all kinds of shenanigans we don't want.

I don't think having a GenSec for the SC would work great either, particularly if you want Wrapper and me of it. There just aren't that many people well-versed in the SC rules who are active, and the calls are usually, but not always, fairly objective. Anyone who would serve on the SC's GenSec (BBD, Kuriko) probably also read this proposal looking for illegalities and missed the typo as well.

Can confirm, I read through it and totally missed it. This typo was easy to miss because the name of the target nation, Civil Defence Siren, is spelt in the British form of English whereas it's spelt in the American form of English in the active clause. I'm used to seeing the American form, so it totally skipped my attention when I read this.

Edit: A good habit to get into when writing any SC Proposal is to link your target in the active clause. That way you're absolutely sure to not misspell it.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

The moderators are, yet again, at fault - and instead of admitting this, they behave in a seemingly juvenile way, too arrogant to admit their errors. Most disappointing.

Dude, I'm not too arrogant to admit my error. I fucked up. I wish I hadn't fucked up, but I did. But you know what, from time to time it's going to happen. The way things can be illegal in the SC is easy to miss sometimes. I've made mistakes in the past and I'll make mistakes in the future. All I can do is hope to learn from the ways I messed up in the past and not mess up on the future. I'm sorry that you and the author feel wronged by the fact that I messed up and that I've messed up in the past. I'm just a human being who makes mistakes sometimes.

We're not changing the rules because I failed to immediately recognize an easy to miss typo though. Allowing the active clause to target something other than the proposed target opens up all kinds of shenanigans we don't want.

I don't think having a GenSec for the SC would work great either, particularly if you want Wrapper and me of it. There just aren't that many people well-versed in the SC rules who are active, and the calls are usually, but not always, fairly objective. Anyone who would serve on the SC's GenSec (BBD, Kuriko) probably also read this proposal looking for illegalities and missed the typo as well.

Can also confirm that I missed it as well, though that’s probably because I lost the will to live after the third paragraph.

Thanks for the vote of confidence Ransium, much appreciated. I am out of practice though.