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Postby Hatzisland » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:46 pm

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No. We believe the plan will get enough support. The only thing holding us back now are drafting and legality issues.

"Ah, so what you meant to say is that you will go ahead with this regardless of the reception you get. Because you've gotten a really, really poor reception, even by GA standards."



We have received very little reception, and the reception we've got have been filled with radicals. I mean, these people believe that a women has a right to abort a baby moments before birth, for no reason whatsoever! We believe this plan can be brought to the floor if we can revise the plan, though we have received very little help. We've got really, really poor results so far, even by GA standards.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:47 pm

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Separatist Peoples wrote:"Ah, so what you meant to say is that you will go ahead with this regardless of the reception you get. Because you've gotten a really, really poor reception, even by GA standards."



We have received very little reception, and the reception we've got have been filled with radicals. I mean, these people believe that a women has a right to abort a baby moments before birth, for no reason whatsoever! We believe this plan can be brought to the floor if we can revise the plan, though we have received very little help. We've got really, really poor results so far, even by GA standards.

"I promise you, ambassador, repeals of Reproductive Freedoms have occurred many, many times. It is the resolution with the most repeal attempts out of any resolution. Every one has failed. There is no support for this."

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Postby Kenmoria » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:31 am

“The reception you have recieved has been very negative, partly since we all grew tired of repeals for Reproductive Freedoms about the time the fifth one failed. When I first became an ambassador for the Kenmoria WA Mission, there had already been repeal attempts in the double digits. Experienced authors with multiple resolutions under their belts have failed, so I don’t see why you would succeed.”
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Postby The New Nordic Union » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:10 am

Hatzisland wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Ah, so what you meant to say is that you will go ahead with this regardless of the reception you get. Because you've gotten a really, really poor reception, even by GA standards."



We have received very little reception, and the reception we've got have been filled with radicals. I mean, these people believe that a women has a right to abort a baby moments before birth, for no reason whatsoever! We believe this plan can be brought to the floor if we can revise the plan, though we have received very little help. We've got really, really poor results so far, even by GA standards.


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Postby Marxist Germany » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:07 am

Hatzisland wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Ah, so what you meant to say is that you will go ahead with this regardless of the reception you get. Because you've gotten a really, really poor reception, even by GA standards."



We have received very little reception, and the reception we've got have been filled with radicals. I mean, these people believe that a women has a right to abort a baby moments before birth, for no reason whatsoever! We believe this plan can be brought to the floor if we can revise the plan, though we have received very little help. We've got really, really poor results so far, even by GA standards.

OOC: although I'm opposed to abortion, labelling people who disagree with you as 'radicals' is not going to invalidate their point. Reproductive freedoms has given us a pretty good compromise.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:12 am

Marxist Germany wrote:
Hatzisland wrote:

We have received very little reception, and the reception we've got have been filled with radicals. I mean, these people believe that a women has a right to abort a baby moments before birth, for no reason whatsoever! We believe this plan can be brought to the floor if we can revise the plan, though we have received very little help. We've got really, really poor results so far, even by GA standards.

OOC: although I'm opposed to abortion, labelling people who disagree with you as 'radicals' is not going to invalidate their point. Reproductive freedoms has given us a pretty good compromise.

OOC: Agreed. Abortions on demand is a great compromise.

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Postby Falcania » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:26 am

Hatzisland wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Ah, so what you meant to say is that you will go ahead with this regardless of the reception you get. Because you've gotten a really, really poor reception, even by GA standards."



We have received very little reception, and the reception we've got have been filled with radicals. I mean, these people believe that a women has a right to abort a baby moments before birth, for no reason whatsoever! We believe this plan can be brought to the floor if we can revise the plan, though we have received very little help. We've got really, really poor results so far, even by GA standards.


If you apply a small, small amount of thinking to the issue, you may perhaps ponder the reasons behind a mother terminating a pregnancy shortly before birth.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:31 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:OOC: although I'm opposed to abortion, labelling people who disagree with you as 'radicals' is not going to invalidate their point. Reproductive freedoms has given us a pretty good compromise.

OOC: Agreed. Abortions on demand is a great compromise.

It never allows abortion on demand, just legalises it, i think you confused this with GA#128 On Abortion
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Postby Marxist Germany » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:32 am

Falcania wrote:
Hatzisland wrote:

We have received very little reception, and the reception we've got have been filled with radicals. I mean, these people believe that a women has a right to abort a baby moments before birth, for no reason whatsoever! We believe this plan can be brought to the floor if we can revise the plan, though we have received very little help. We've got really, really poor results so far, even by GA standards.


If you apply a small, small amount of thinking to the issue, you may perhaps ponder the reasons behind a mother terminating a pregnancy shortly before birth.

OOC: there's no reason to terminate a baby after the second trimester, it can literally live outside the womb at this point
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:33 am

Marxist Germany wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: Agreed. Abortions on demand is a great compromise.

It never allows abortion on demand, just legalises it, i think you confused this with GA#128 On Abortion

OOC: No. GAR#128 allows limited circumstances where abortion must be legal. GAR#286 permits abortion on demand for any reason.

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Postby Falcania » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:36 am

Marxist Germany wrote:
Falcania wrote:
If you apply a small, small amount of thinking to the issue, you may perhaps ponder the reasons behind a mother terminating a pregnancy shortly before birth.

OOC: there's no reason to terminate a baby after the second trimester, it can literally live outside the womb at this point


There is a reason, and you're really really close to figuring it out.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:40 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:It never allows abortion on demand, just legalises it, i think you confused this with GA#128 On Abortion

OOC: No. GAR#128 allows limited circumstances where abortion must be legal. GAR#286 permits abortion on demand for any reason.

Can you quote where it allows abortion on demand? I must've misunderstood a clause or something
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Postby Marxist Germany » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:41 am

Falcania wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:OOC: there's no reason to terminate a baby after the second trimester, it can literally live outside the womb at this point


There is a reason, and you're really really close to figuring it out.

OOC: Poverty isn't a reason if you were thinking of that
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:43 am

Marxist Germany wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: No. GAR#128 allows limited circumstances where abortion must be legal. GAR#286 permits abortion on demand for any reason.

Can you quote where it allows abortion on demand? I must've misunderstood a clause or something

OOC:
MANDATES that Member Nations recognise the right of all individuals to have their pregnancies terminated through safe, openly accessible procedures,

DEMANDS that Member Nations prohibit any impediment to the termination of pregnancy that is not applied to medical procedures of similar risk and complexity,


Unqualified right to terminate the pregnancy, with the only limitation being those placed on similarly risky procedures, which, considering late term abortions are not particularly complex, makes the restrictions about what you'd see for the average appendectomy. Reproductive Freedoms gives an unqualified right to have an abortion.

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Postby Borovan3 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:37 am

Hatzisland wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Ah, so what you meant to say is that you will go ahead with this regardless of the reception you get. Because you've gotten a really, really poor reception, even by GA standards."



We have received very little reception, and the reception we've got have been filled with radicals. I mean, these people believe that a women has a right to abort a baby moments before birth, for no reason whatsoever! We believe this plan can be brought to the floor if we can revise the plan, though we have received very little help. We've got really, really poor results so far, even by GA standards.

Ain't gonna fly even with authors like UM or Auralia the resolution won't pass because most are socially liberal
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Postby Blueflarst » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:50 am

I am for this repeal my military crown only accepts the abortion in rape and danger for the mother
Homevee for a repeal like this avoiding the gen sec political comissars you will need:

Around three paragraphs of arguments, do not put my nation or some nations are opressed for they will strike the resolution as illegal besides the other arguments due their political side.
A month or more contacting delegates or conservative regions to win quick aprrovals. You xan also ask the fascist and others like theocracies they will support you aswell. Do not put your nation name inside be politicaly correct in the resolution. You will need to write lines with educated arguments or they will strike down. Also see all rules with high attention or they will strike down
I hope you gain the needed political support and avoid the gen sec censorship
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Postby Marxist Germany » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:08 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:Can you quote where it allows abortion on demand? I must've misunderstood a clause or something

OOC:
MANDATES that Member Nations recognise the right of all individuals to have their pregnancies terminated through safe, openly accessible procedures,

DEMANDS that Member Nations prohibit any impediment to the termination of pregnancy that is not applied to medical procedures of similar risk and complexity,


Unqualified right to terminate the pregnancy, with the only limitation being those placed on similarly risky procedures, which, considering late term abortions are not particularly complex, makes the restrictions about what you'd see for the average appendectomy. Reproductive Freedoms gives an unqualified right to have an abortion.

Its time for me to make a repeal then!
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Postby Marxist Germany » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:09 pm

Blueflarst wrote:I am for this repeal my military crown only accepts the abortion in rape and danger for the mother
Homevee for a repeal like this avoiding the gen sec political comissars you will need:

Around three paragraphs of arguments, do not put my nation or some nations are opressed for they will strike the resolution as illegal besides the other arguments due their political side.
A month or more contacting delegates or conservative regions to win quick aprrovals. You xan also ask the fascist and others like theocracies they will support you aswell. Do not put your nation name inside be politicaly correct in the resolution. You will need to write lines with educated arguments or they will strike down. Also see all rules with high attention or they will strike down
I hope you gain the needed political support and avoid the gen sec censorship

GenSec has no political bias or at least do not use political bias when making resolutions illegal, its the voters who are biased
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Postby Borovan3 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:12 pm

Blueflarst wrote:I am for this repeal my military crown only accepts the abortion in rape and danger for the mother
Homevee for a repeal like this avoiding the gen sec political comissars you will need:

Around three paragraphs of arguments, do not put my nation or some nations are opressed for they will strike the resolution as illegal besides the other arguments due their political side.
A month or more contacting delegates or conservative regions to win quick aprrovals. You xan also ask the fascist and others like theocracies they will support you aswell. Do not put your nation name inside be politicaly correct in the resolution. You will need to write lines with educated arguments or they will strike down. Also see all rules with high attention or they will strike down
I hope you gain the needed political support and avoid the gen sec censorship

The rules are pretty steep curve for newcomers so you have things that trip people off

Also I support authors efforts to repeal reproductive freedoms

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:40 pm

Blueflarst wrote:I am for this repeal my military crown only accepts the abortion in rape and danger for the mother
Homevee for a repeal like this avoiding the gen sec political comissars you will need:

Around three paragraphs of arguments, do not put my nation or some nations are opressed for they will strike the resolution as illegal besides the other arguments due their political side.
A month or more contacting delegates or conservative regions to win quick aprrovals. You xan also ask the fascist and others like theocracies they will support you aswell. Do not put your nation name inside be politicaly correct in the resolution. You will need to write lines with educated arguments or they will strike down. Also see all rules with high attention or they will strike down
I hope you gain the needed political support and avoid the gen sec censorship

OOC: GenSec enforces the rules. The rules are not political. Just because you wish illegal proposals would go to vote doesn't mean its a political hit job.

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Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC:
MANDATES that Member Nations recognise the right of all individuals to have their pregnancies terminated through safe, openly accessible procedures,

DEMANDS that Member Nations prohibit any impediment to the termination of pregnancy that is not applied to medical procedures of similar risk and complexity,


Unqualified right to terminate the pregnancy, with the only limitation being those placed on similarly risky procedures, which, considering late term abortions are not particularly complex, makes the restrictions about what you'd see for the average appendectomy. Reproductive Freedoms gives an unqualified right to have an abortion.

Its time for me to make a repeal then!



OOC: Lets not and say we didn't.

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Postby Hatzisland » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:44 pm

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Hatzisland wrote:

We have received very little reception, and the reception we've got have been filled with radicals. I mean, these people believe that a women has a right to abort a baby moments before birth, for no reason whatsoever! We believe this plan can be brought to the floor if we can revise the plan, though we have received very little help. We've got really, really poor results so far, even by GA standards.

OOC: although I'm opposed to abortion, labelling people who disagree with you as 'radicals' is not going to invalidate their point. Reproductive freedoms has given us a pretty good compromise.


I don't think it is. A compromise would be where both sides get something they want, while given away other parts(for example, abortions could be allowed on demand in the first trimester, could be regulated but not outlawed in the second trimester, and could be outlawed in the third trimester). This plan allows abortion on demand at any time, including moments before birth. If killing a baby just seconds before it is a living being outside of the mother isn't a radical opinion, then I don't know what is.
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Postby Hatzisland » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:52 pm

Marxist Germany wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC:
MANDATES that Member Nations recognise the right of all individuals to have their pregnancies terminated through safe, openly accessible procedures,

DEMANDS that Member Nations prohibit any impediment to the termination of pregnancy that is not applied to medical procedures of similar risk and complexity,


Unqualified right to terminate the pregnancy, with the only limitation being those placed on similarly risky procedures, which, considering late term abortions are not particularly complex, makes the restrictions about what you'd see for the average appendectomy. Reproductive Freedoms gives an unqualified right to have an abortion.

Its time for me to make a repeal then!



You say on a forum proposing the repeal of "Reproductive Freedoms".
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:04 pm

OOC: Why should the pro-choice side compromise? The GA is overwhelmingly pro-choice. We don't need to compromise to get what we want

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Postby Falcania » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:11 pm

Marxist Germany wrote:
Falcania wrote:
There is a reason, and you're really really close to figuring it out.

OOC: Poverty isn't a reason if you were thinking of that


No. Come on, apply some brainpower here. Pregnant people who are into their third trimester are people who fully plan on giving birth to a child. Abortions only take place at this stage in deeply unfortunate circumstances where not terminating the pregnancy would result in serious health issues to the mother or child. Making third-trimester abortion illegal serves only to apply a criminal penalty to mothers facing a tragic dilemma, or to the doctors assisting them.
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Postby Blueflarst » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:52 am

You all had seen the gen sec is more like a political commissars prganization which uses the hard ruler with their oppsition turning almost all illegal and the small ruler with their friends like Imperium anglorumm wgich aproved a resolution without nothing more than a line.

Do not try to cover their manipulation a lot of nations are aware now
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