[DEAFETED] Repeal of "Reproductive Freedoms" Act

[Umpus]

C'mon I know you're here. I can see you're online.

OOC: How... How is "if it has a national policy it shouldn't be a WA resolution" a moral debate? Also, it has nothing to do with the debate of the resolution at hand. Debating how the game and forum work is not the discussion of this thread, and baiting me further by personally calling me out. Also, I'm less "pro-choice" and more "pro-personal freedoms", but that's a PERSONAL AND OUT OF CHARACTER THING, and NOT related to the nation I play in NS, or the values of Korus, the character I play.

Baiting me further to derail this topic will result in me reporting you. Either call me out on actual issues (i.e. the debate at hand) or learn to accept that the WA doesn't give two flying fucks about whether a national policy in the game is enacted or not.

Ok lets start the moral
debate right now:abortion is murdering a sentient being and any pro choicers ere dimwits who think that suddenly a baby is worth more out of the womb than in for no apparent reason and also think that they can justify just about anything with "personal freedoms"

[Elyreia]

ok lets start the moral debate right now:abortion is murdering a sentient being.

That's not the topic of this thread. The topic of this thread is the proposed resolution "Repeal of 'Reproductive Freedoms' Act".

Also, murder of sentient beings is fine. We kill animals and trees all the time. I think you're looking for Sapience, which is the ability to think and reason. Fucking grass is sentient (that "fresh mow grass smell" is the chemical they release when they feel threatened).

[Umpus]

How about this:it's murdering a sentient animal

[Tinfect]

ok lets start the moral debate right now:abortion is murdering a sentient being.

OOC:
Please read what people post before responding to people.

Now, if you want a moral debate...

Don't even start. [...] There's a fundamental difference in our positions; ours is based on actual, living human beings, conscious and aware, who are trying to live their lives. Your side is only concerned with the possibility of a human life at some point down the line, placing the rights of something that isn't even properly aware over the rights of human beings. Quite frankly, I don't give a fuck whether it's a human life or not; it's a matter of bodily autonomy. You do not have the right to force someone to go through pregnancy and birth. You do not have the right to force people to radically change their lives as they stand for children that they don't want. You do not have the right to tell a 16 year old rape victim that, even if it is technically legal to have an abortion, she'll always be a murderer in the eyes of God and her family.

Your position is the one that hurts people. That's the final word on the matter; that's the reality of it. [...] Restriction of abortion forces people into unwanted, unhealthy, and dangerous, situations. Restriction of abortion leads to emotional abuse. Restriction of abortion leads to community isolation. Restriction of abortion hurts people. It hurts women, who are forced to go through pregnancies they don't want. It hurts children, when they're stuck in households that never wanted them, can't support them, or have to give them up. Any Restriction of abortion hurts people, no matter whether or not you legalize it for rape and incest.

There's your moral debate. Tell a 13 year old rape victim why she should carry her rapist's kid to term; tell her why she should go through a dangerous, physically and emotionally traumatizing process, after being raped, solely because she was raped. Tell a 17 year old victim of a broken condom that she has to abandon her entire life and livelihood because she can't have an abortion. Tell a woman who couldn't get to a clinic in the early stages of the pregnancy because there's only one in the state and she had to save for months to make the trip and cover costs that her life is ruined because she couldn't get there 'early enough' for it to be acceptable. Tell every single one of those people that by going to the clinic they're committing murder; that their families and god will hate and punish them forever. Fucking do it. Then you can have your moral debate.

[Elyreia]

How about this:it's murdering a sentient animal

That is not the topic of this thread, Ambassador. Last warning.

[Umpus]

Welp,you've changed my mind accept for this:a woman should not be able to intentionally get pregnant and then have an abortion.

[Elyreia]

Welp,you've changed my mind accept for this:a woman should not be able to intentionally get pregnant and then have an abortion.

Most abortions are not from people wanting to intentionally get pregnant. It's most often due to failed contraceptives.

[Tinfect]

Welp,you've changed my mind accept for this:a woman should not be able to intentionally get pregnant and then have an abortion.

OOC:
Good luck enforcing that, for one.

Two,

Deciding whether or not to have a child is one of the most impactful decisions of one's life; they may find that decision difficult, or not have access to treatment, or may have been prevented from accessing treatment by an abusive spouse, ect. [...]

They may simply not be in an area where access to medical care is sufficient to ensure a low/no-risk birth. They may simply decide after becoming pregnant, that they didn't want the kid after all, or that they can't support one. Ect. You do not get to make that decision for them.

[Wallenburg]

Take it to NSG, this is extremely off topic.

[Umpus]

One more thing:people need to fucking learn that sex is reproduction,not something done for fun or pleasure.

[Tinfect]

One more thing:people need to fucking learn that sex is reproduction,not something done for fun or pleasure.

OOC:
First of all, you literally could not be more wrong, second, it's none of your damned business.

[Umpus]

And I'll say this:the line between a living fucking human and a clump of cells is earlier than birth.

[Umpus]

One more thing:people need to fucking learn that sex is reproduction,not something done for fun or pleasure.

OOC:
First of all, you literally could not be more wrong, second, it's none of your damned business.

I'm just saying that is my prospective not something that i believe should be law.

[Tinfect]

And I'll say this:the line between a living fucking human and a clump of cells is earlier than birth.

OOC:
At this point, I don't even know what you're trying to say. If I had to guess, I'd say you really ought to take a class on the subject, because you're talking nonsense.

I'm just saying that is my prospective not something that i believe should be law.

Cool. Don't have sex if you don't want to. Don't fuck with people for daring to have sex when, with whom, or why, you don't like.

[Farnhamia]

And I'll say this:the line between a living fucking human and a clump of cells is earlier than birth.

*** Warned for thread-jacking. ***

You've been told, more than once, that abortion itself is not the topic. The topic is the repeal of a previously enacted GA resolution on reproductive freedom. If you want to debate abortion, there is an active thread in the the General forum.

[Umpus]

And I'll say this:the line between a living fucking human and a clump of cells is earlier than birth.

*** Warned for thread-jacking. ***

You've been told, more than once, that abortion itself is not the topic. The topic is the repeal of a previously enacted GA resolution on reproductive freedom. If you want to debate abortion, there is an active thread in the the General forum.

English translation:first you were told to provide a moral argument instead of a gameplay one or else the mod would be called. You obliged. Now we're prosecuting you for making a moral argument.
Ok, but seriously,i don't understand this.
I was told that I was "diverting away from the argument"
And that i was thread hijacking by making a gameplay arguments.then when i made a moral argument i was prosecuted. What?!

[The Unfounded]

*** Warned for thread-jacking. ***

You've been told, more than once, that abortion itself is not the topic. The topic is the repeal of a previously enacted GA resolution on reproductive freedom. If you want to debate abortion, there is an active thread in the the General forum.

English translation:first you were told to provide a moral argument instead of a gameplay one or else the mod would be called. You obliged. Now we're prosecuting you for making a moral argument.
Ok, but seriously,i don't understand this.
I was told that I was "diverting away from the argument"
And that i was thread hijacking by making a gameplay arguments.then when i made a moral argument i was prosecuted. What?!

Stop arguing about abortion, for the one. That is an altogether different GAR. THAT resolution is probably the only one more ‘settled’ than Reproductive Freedoms is.

You wanna talk abortion? I got a big thread in general where it is topic du jour, complete with overly complicated polls. That’d be your best option.

Here though? Nope.

[Separatist Peoples]

"The same could be said of torture, discrimination, and oppression. That's a pathetic argument, ambassador."

well,the WA allows all of the things you just mentioned. So I'd say your argument is pathetic,ambassador.

"The WA has banned all three. Have you never bothered learning international law, ambassador? I find it hard to believe a nation would deliberately send an incompetent ambassador, and yet the evidence is before me."

[Umpus]

well,the WA allows all of the things you just mentioned. So I'd say your argument is pathetic,ambassador.

"The WA has banned all three. Have you never bothered learning international law, ambassador? I find it hard to believe a nation would deliberately send an incompetent ambassador, and yet the evidence is before me."[/ quote]the WA allows dictatorships that could be classified as oppression.

[Umpus]

Still categorically opposed.

maybe but not banned sooo...

[The Unfounded]

Still categorically opposed.

maybe but not banned sooo...

“What in the blazes are you barking about?”

[Separatist Peoples]

"The WA has banned all three. Have you never bothered learning international law, ambassador? I find it hard to believe a nation would deliberately send an incompetent ambassador, and yet the evidence is before me."[/ quote]the WA allows dictatorships that could be classified as oppression.

"It allows autocracies, but it requires free speech, free expression, no discrimination, no uncompensated asset seizure, and mandates several quality of life services and minimum standards lacking in most tinpot dictatorships. Your point, insofar as it is a salient point, is premised on false data.

"Again, you've only proven that you're unaware of the most notable WA resolutions and are willing to make arguments based on that ignorance."

[Araraukar]

"It is entirely possible to be a dictatorship and still enjoy the freedoms provided to WA citizens, as ambassador Bell pointed out. The lesson then, I believe, is to choose your dictator carefully."

[Cosmosplosion]

"Abortion is the right of the being carrying the child. Full stop."