Rat Piss wrote:North Saitama wrote:Antifa does more than just "say naughty things", or they wouldn't be up for condemnation. Raiding a region, without giving it back, steals the region and its ability to govern itself from the natives of said region. While military regions have it coming, and deserve it when they are raiders, themselves, other regions are just being bullied.
Even if you kicked-over someone's sand castle at the beach, is that you "exercising your freedom of speech"? No, because you physically offended someone's thing, no matter how trite and meaningless. The action and physical consequences make the difference.
Another problem I have with regions like MT Army and Antifa is that they take it upon themselves to be judge, jury, and executioner, enforcing their own agenda as if it were law, no matter how many regions they stamp-out with their jackboots. Regardless of who the target is, do you think this is fair or just, to basically force their point of view upon independent regions?
1. You make it soooo simple to divide big scary physical actions from totally innocent harmless ~expression~, but certainly its less troubling to any sane human being to have their sand castle kicked over, then to find themselves on a beach adorned with swastikas.
I don't mind someone taking out the trash now and again. Freedom of speech is not and never has been total freedom from consequences.
1. Yes, it is that simple; doing something, anything, is disproportionate, as mere advocacy is, on its own, physically harmless and abstract, while actions are concrete and have a physical effect. Kicking-over a fascist's sand castle is, therefore, unjust, as you retaliated against their abhorrent-but-abstract ideas with concrete physical action.
2. It doesn't mean, however, that physical action is acceptable or just. Refusing to hire a neo-Nazi is different from punching a neo-Nazi; in the former case, it is refusing to interact with him (non-action), while, in the latter case, it is physically harming him (action).
In case the message isn't clear, the point is that the words don't matter; saying "exterminate <insert group>", on its own, physically harms exactly zero members of said group. Until the threshold of action is passed, there is no justification for doing harm.