[DEFEATED] Condemn Antifa

[Ceolophysia]

I agree with this. Antifa spreads propaganda and invades regions under the guise of “we’re removing fascism and making the world better” when all they’re doing is destabilizing peaceful right wing regions and doing more damage then the alt-right they try to fight and leaving them an empty husk. It’s time to end them once and far all.

I do have to agree this is a pretty empty assembly proposal though and will need to be redrafted to have great effect.

all right wing thought is fascist. removing such ideology does make the world better.

Fascists would disagree. Mussolini himself questioned if Fascism was even right-wing, and he was just as opposed to liberalism and capitalism as he was to socialism. Fascism is a specific ideology, not just what you think is bad.

[Ransium]

all right wing thought is fascist. removing such ideology does make the world better.

Fascists would disagree. Mussolini himself questioned if Fascism was even right-wing, and he was just as opposed to liberalism and capitalism as he was to socialism. Fascism is a specific ideology, not just what you think is bad.

I'm not sure how many more ways we can say this thread is not about RL politics. *** Warned for thread-jacking ***

[Yokiria]

Fascists would disagree. Mussolini himself questioned if Fascism was even right-wing, and he was just as opposed to liberalism and capitalism as he was to socialism. Fascism is a specific ideology, not just what you think is bad.

I'm not sure how many more ways we can say this thread is not about RL politics. *** Warned for thread-jacking ***

Players may be seeing the term 'Antifa' and just assuming they're in NSG.

[Ransium]

I've edited the thread's title to reduce whatever small amount of ambiguity might exist.

[Christian Confederation]

Is there any evidence that shows them disrupting and harassing other regions and nations? Otherwise, it’s just a petty jab from one side to the other.

More evidence. Fresh off there newest raid.
https://www.nationstates.net/region=the ... #p34531770
This will probably be ignored, when we go to try again we should use all the evidence people added in this thread

[Vippertooth33]

Is there any evidence that shows them disrupting and harassing other regions and nations? Otherwise, it’s just a petty jab from one side to the other.

More evidence. Fresh off there newest raid.
https://www.nationstates.net/region=the ... #p34531770
This will probably be ignored, when we go to try again we should use all the evidence people added in this thread

What ideal evidence, please use more like this

The nation is a puppet founder of https://www.nationstates.net/region=the_seventh_reich

Evidence: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=34358933

Region Tag: Fascist

Embassies include: Confederation of Corrupt Dictators, United Fascist Workers Association, Farkasfalka, National Socialist Ministries, The Reich, Altmora, The Facist Nations Of Songs Of Salem,Teutonic Empire.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

More evidence. Fresh off there newest raid.
https://www.nationstates.net/region=the ... #p34531770
This will probably be ignored, when we go to try again we should use all the evidence people added in this thread

Even if someone wrote the best ever Condemnation of Anifa (unlike the crap we’re voting on), it would still fail.

There is a solid anti-fascist voting bloc especially amongst the GCRs. Even if some don’t like Antifa they would still, in all liklihood, vote against any Condemnation of them. Don’t want to give those fascists any sort of win.

[KhanterWinters]

So, Let me see if I understand.
These guys, first want to push something more less called the defense of Hate of Speech, because Freedom, right?

And Now they want condemn Antifa, because, they accuse Antifa of Hate Against the Hate Speech?

So in their mind,

Hate speech is cool.
but Hate against Hate Speech is Bad?

if Hate Speech is cool therefor, Hate Speech against Hate Speech should be good, is not it?

[Christian Confederation]

Well this has done nothing, telagram me any evidence you may have. Me and some more experienced WA members will try again. Anything you think is helpful would be nice.

[Amnarkia]

So...this whole time this was a debate over if an IN GAME Antifa faction should be condemned? Man I really should have done more reading into this.

MY vote is still the same, condemn Antifa. Place sanctions if need be and arrange counter attacks, defense pacts, and possibly coordinate retaliation assaults.

Attacking neutral and or pacifist nations is always an act of war. Regardless of their politics.

[Christian Confederation]

So...this whole time this was a debate over if an IN GAME Antifa faction should be condemned? Man I really should have done more reading into this.

MY vote is still the same, condemn Antifa. Place sanctions if need be and arrange counter attacks, defense pacts, and possibly coordinate retaliation assaults.

Attacking neutral and or pacifist nations is always an act of war. Regardless of their politics.

Why would we condemn IRL antifa it would do nothing.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Antifa are an invader org, dressed up in an ideology that, despite what it claims, does in fact not generate tolerance but opposes it. It should be condemned, however the proposal sadly isn't very well-written.

[Qwabour Harbour]

Antifa are an invader org, dressed up in an ideology that, despite what it claims, does in fact not generate tolerance but opposes it. It should be condemned, however the proposal sadly isn't very well-written.

Antifa isn't tolerant. Who the fuck said that? We can't be tolerant of fascists like you going on and defending this deadass proposal riddled with factual errors. All of you voting for should be completely ashamed of yourselves. In principle and the propsal itself. NS Antifa should be commended. How can you be like 'I'm not a fascist, but I do not support Antifa.' Then what? Let fascists run wild? Let genocide and racism be free? Fuck no. Get your facts right and come back with a decent explanation of why Antifa a corrupt communist gang. People these days.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Antifa are an invader org, dressed up in an ideology that, despite what it claims, does in fact not generate tolerance but opposes it. It should be condemned, however the proposal sadly isn't very well-written.

Antifa isn't tolerant. Who the fuck said that? We can't be tolerant of fascists like you going on and defending this deadass proposal riddled with factual errors. All of you voting for should be completely ashamed of yourselves. In principle and the propsal itself. NS Antifa should be commended. How can you be like 'I'm not a fascist, but I do not support Antifa.' Then what? Let fascists run wild? Let genocide and racism be free? Fuck no. Get your facts right and come back with a decent explanation of why Antifa a corrupt communist gang. People these days.

Do you have any proof that I, a card-carrying Labour party member, am a fascist?

Didn't think so.

[The Cansa]

Antifa marks antifascist regions as fascist quite often, such as Redlandia, my region, which is against fascism. I wish to condemn Antifa, but your reasons provided are not supported by Cansa.

[Christian Confederation]

Antifa are an invader org, dressed up in an ideology that, despite what it claims, does in fact not generate tolerance but opposes it. It should be condemned, however the proposal sadly isn't very well-written.

[ agreed that is why me and the WA Delaget from the Teutonic Empire are redoing it.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Antifa are an invader org, dressed up in an ideology that, despite what it claims, does in fact not generate tolerance but opposes it. It should be condemned, however the proposal sadly isn't very well-written.

[ agreed that is why me and the WA Delaget from the Teutonic Empire are redoing it.

I'll happily lend a hand if you want.

[Minoa]

I do not know what to say about Condemn Antifa as a Security Council proposal: at first glance, something made me feel that the rules for Security Council proposals may have to be reviewed in respect of proposals that condemn regions because of their ideology.

In any case, this proposal is a total mess. It seems that there was no drafting at all.

OOC: Please let me know if I wrote something a bit off. I double checked to ensure it was in respect of the proposal and the Security Council.

[Che Triumphant]

Antifa marks antifascist regions as fascist quite often, such as Redlandia, my region, which is against fascism. I wish to condemn Antifa, but your reasons provided are not supported by Cansa.

My opinion regarding Redlandia as it stands 21 days ago: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=34261887

I have not even glanced at your region since that post, you are no longer on Antifa's radar.

With regards to the Civil Defence Siren, myself nor anyone else in Antifa has any say over it, the system is currently run by the five feeder regions: The North Pacific, The East Pacific, the South Pacific, the West Pacific, and the Pacific.

I can try and put in a good word for you if you like but the decision is theirs alone.

I can try and put in a good word for you if you like but the decision is theirs alone.

Please do. Of all the things that have happened to Redlandians, the CDS is by far the worst of them. The CDS lists us along with... [i]ugh[i]... the Iron Confederacy and their like. Additionally it's really annoying for both older members and newcomers. Not a single nation understands why our region has the siren to begin with.

Please do. Of all the things that have happened to Redlandians, the CDS is by far the worst of them. The CDS lists us along with... [i]ugh[i]... the Iron Confederacy and their like. Additionally it's really annoying for both older members and newcomers. Not a single nation understands why our region has the siren to begin with.

Telegram sent, keep up the good work

[Qwabour Harbour]

Antifa isn't tolerant. Who the fuck said that? We can't be tolerant of fascists like you going on and defending this deadass proposal riddled with factual errors. All of you voting for should be completely ashamed of yourselves. In principle and the propsal itself. NS Antifa should be commended. How can you be like 'I'm not a fascist, but I do not support Antifa.' Then what? Let fascists run wild? Let genocide and racism be free? Fuck no. Get your facts right and come back with a decent explanation of why Antifa a corrupt communist gang. People these days.

Do you have any proof that I, a card-carrying Labour party member, am a fascist?

Didn't think so.

1. Defending CCD
2. Your previous nations sig says you are leaning towards (or pro) fascism
3. How can you be a Labour Party member yet not support Antifa (in NS?). Bs

[Elyreia]

Intolerance of intolerance is not tolerance. It's intolerance disguised under a new jacket and tie.

Regardless, we cannot vote in favor of poorly written legislation. Please rewrite and resubmit the proposal at a later date with the plethora of evidence presented here, in the proposal itself, formatted to meet standards.

All that matters is the proposal, and it has no evidence.

[Cyng]

Oh, the communists and fools who participate here would never vote for something that makes this much sense. One of these days, we'll get rid of them all.

[Reploid Productions]

Oh, the communists and fools who participate here would never vote for something that makes this much sense. One of these days, we'll get rid of them all.

If you're not going to contribute anything further than a hit-n-run shitpost that serves no other purpose than to troll, better not to post at all. I also recommend reviewing the site rules and adjusting your conduct accordingly lest official warnings and bans become necessary.

[Yokiria]

Moments ago, telegrams containing propaganda were sent out to every WA nation in the game by the fascist sympathizers in CCD. They are decrying anti-fascism in NationStates, using the illogical talking points everyone has heard on the topic.

If you wish to take a look at it for yourself, here it is:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1171369

My favorite detail is the blissfully oblivious line "Published from the Confedereichstag", before it goes on to whine about being labeled as fascist.

[Qwabour Harbour]

Moments ago, telegrams containing propaganda were sent out to every WA nation in the game by the fascist sympathizers in CCD. They are decrying anti-fascism in NationStates, using the illogical talking points everyone has heard on the topic.

If you wish to take a look at it for yourself, here it is:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1171369

My favorite detail is the blissfully oblivious line "Published from the Confedereichstag", before it goes on to whine about being labeled as fascist.

This.

Its absolute bs and deserves to be downvoted to hell