[DEFEATED] Condemn Antifa

[Bedetopia]

Moments ago, telegrams containing propaganda were sent out to every WA nation in the game by the fascist sympathizers in CCD. They are decrying anti-fascism in NationStates, using the illogical talking points everyone has heard on the topic.

If you wish to take a look at it for yourself, here it is:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1171369

My favorite detail is the blissfully oblivious line "Published from the Confedereichstag", before it goes on to whine about being labeled as fascist.

Wouldn't it be counterproductive to send telegrams when the proposal vote is about to end? If I had to guess, since they've targeted every WA nation the telegrams took days to arrive.

Then again, I feel like unskillful plays are commonplace in some circles.

[Yokiria]

Moments ago, telegrams containing propaganda were sent out to every WA nation in the game by the fascist sympathizers in CCD. They are decrying anti-fascism in NationStates, using the illogical talking points everyone has heard on the topic.

If you wish to take a look at it for yourself, here it is:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1171369

My favorite detail is the blissfully oblivious line "Published from the Confedereichstag", before it goes on to whine about being labeled as fascist.

Wouldn't it be counterproductive to send telegrams when the proposal vote is about to end? If I had to guess, since they've targeted every WA nation the telegrams took days to arrive.

Then again, I feel like unskillful plays are commonplace in some circles.

I do not think they seek to change the result of this proposal. I think they seek to manipulate right-wing players into joining their region and their cause.

Additionally, marking the telegrams as 'Recruitment' instead of 'Campaign' was a savvy way to get around the countless players blocking campaign telegrams due to Jocospor's spamming of them. I wonder what the mods will have to say about it, though.

[Cedoria]

There is no free speech on Nationstates. Whatever Max says goes. Antifa has not stopped anybody from saying anything that anybody has been able to prove. They have, on occasion destroyed Fascist regions who are raiding or spreading hate propaganda, and this resolution has not confirmed any accusation to the contrary.

Learn the difference.

You're right. Instead of suppressing free speech, Antifa determines what actions of a region's community are warranting of a raid. Regardless of whether they're right or wrong, they will invade anyone region over allegations of fascism especially when that region is massive and/or influential.

Playing the judge, the jury, and the executioner and deluding yourself to be always correct is worthy of a condemnation.

If there was actually proof that said region had actually done this, yes.

Neither you nor any of those agitating in favour in this thread have provided the slightest shred or sliver of evidence though.

If it were that obvious, you would think it wouldn't be hard.

[Cedoria]

For Pinochet and Mosley

Losers, both of em.

[Cedoria]

Moments ago, telegrams containing propaganda were sent out to every WA nation in the game by the fascist sympathizers in CCD. They are decrying anti-fascism in NationStates, using the illogical talking points everyone has heard on the topic.

If you wish to take a look at it for yourself, here it is:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1171369

My favorite detail is the blissfully oblivious line "Published from the Confedereichstag", before it goes on to whine about being labeled as fascist.

Wouldn't it be counterproductive to send telegrams when the proposal vote is about to end? If I had to guess, since they've targeted every WA nation the telegrams took days to arrive.

Then again, I feel like unskillful plays are commonplace in some circles.

Unskillful plays has pretty much been CCD's model for their entire existence.

[Tanzoria]

There can be no tolerance for fascism. Even putting aside the politics, this proposal is poorly written and offers no evidence that this region is a major problem. Pure trash

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Do you have any proof that I, a card-carrying Labour party member, am a fascist?

Didn't think so.

1. Defending CCD
2. Your previous nations sig says you are leaning towards (or pro) fascism
3. How can you be a Labour Party member yet not support Antifa (in NS?). Bs

1. I defend CCD because they're often unfarely targeted.
2. Which nation was this? I have leaned towards fascism in the past as I freely admit (as an actual child), but my posts in nsg illustrate my views at this moment.
3. Bullshit. This is like saying 'if you are black, how can you vote republican?' Some of us in the labour party still back free speech and freedom of opinion, although they're not in fashion these days. Antifa make the game hostile for a whole group of players.

[Minoa]

I have looked everywhere in the WASC’s archives and I can confirm that there was no reliable evidence of the customary procedure of tabling this particular proposal as a draft for peer review. While there have been drafts to condemn Antifa in the past, I cannot establish a reasonable connection with this particular version.

If the author had posted a draft here, many of us would not be caught so off-guard and we would have been able to help, but as of now the whole thing has become a mess with the debate repeatedly going into … the unknown.

[Honeydewistania]

I have looked everywhere in the WASC’s archives and I can confirm that there was no reliable evidence of the customary procedure of tabling this particular proposal as a draft for peer review. While there have been drafts to condemn Antifa in the past, I cannot establish a reasonable connection with this particular version.

If the author had posted a draft here, many of us would not be caught so off-guard and we would have been able to help, but as of now the whole thing has become a mess with the debate repeatedly going into … the unknown.

they did, they just submitted it quite some time afterwards

[Minoa]

I have looked everywhere in the WASC’s archives and I can confirm that there was no reliable evidence of the customary procedure of tabling this particular proposal as a draft for peer review. While there have been drafts to condemn Antifa in the past, I cannot establish a reasonable connection with this particular version.

If the author had posted a draft here, many of us would not be caught so off-guard and we would have been able to help, but as of now the whole thing has become a mess with the debate repeatedly going into … the unknown.

they did, they just submitted it quite some time afterwards

:headbang:

I’m getting everything all wrong, aren’t I? Which thread was it?

[Honeydewistania]

they did, they just submitted it quite some time afterwards

:headbang:

I’m getting everything all wrong, aren’t I? Which thread was it?

the thread you are looking at was the drafting thread (albeit absolutely no drafting was made)

[Wrapper]

Minoa is right, there was no drafting done. It was submitted on 2/17 at 10:11 AM EST; this thread was created 28 minutes afterward.

[United States of Americanas]

This so called proposal is junk. I am astounded that it even got approved to go to the floor for a vote. Give us some actionable investigable data of their offenses.

Massive and loud NAY from me!

[Tinhampton]

"Condemn Antifa" was defeated 12,094 votes to 4,265.

[Blood Wine]

Moments ago, telegrams containing propaganda were sent out to every WA nation in the game by the fascist sympathizers in CCD. They are decrying anti-fascism in NationStates, using the illogical talking points everyone has heard on the topic.

If you wish to take a look at it for yourself, here it is:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1171369

My favorite detail is the blissfully oblivious line "Published from the Confedereichstag", before it goes on to whine about being labeled as fascist.

I put it in terms that are more eloquent:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1172644

[Christian Confederation]

[ agreed that is why me and the WA Delaget from the Teutonic Empire are redoing it.

I'll happily lend a hand if you want.

All help is appreciated.

[Yokiria]

I'll happily lend a hand if you want.

All help is appreciated.

It is unfortunate seeing that the wrong lesson was learned from the staggering defeat of this proposal. ''You must write it better'' is not advice that anyone with experience in the Security Council responded to this proposal with.

No matter how well-written your Condemnation of Antifa is, it will not survive as Security Council legislation, because the majority of voters do not like fascists, and do not like fascist sympathizers sending them telegram after telegram trying to change their minds.

[Minoa]

It is unfortunate seeing that the wrong lesson was learned from the staggering defeat of this proposal. ''You must write it better'' is not advice that anyone with experience in the Security Council responded to this proposal with.

No matter how well-written your Condemnation of Antifa is, it will not survive as Security Council legislation, because the majority of voters do not like fascists, and do not like fascist sympathizers sending them telegram after telegram trying to change their minds.

I am sorry if I gave the wrong impression in respect of the proposed resolution, but I had been concerned about how the debate for the proposed resolution turned out, with the debate repeatedly going into the unknown.

However, I am a bit of a latecomer to the SC, so please correct me if something similar has happened before, or such conduct is common or not.

[Impaled Nazarene]

I'll happily lend a hand if you want.

All help is appreciated.

Oh just give up you'll never get it to pass unless you hack over 10,000 nations or use an equivalent amount of bots.

[Bedetopia]

All help is appreciated.

It is unfortunate seeing that the wrong lesson was learned from the staggering defeat of this proposal. ''You must write it better'' is not advice that anyone with experience in the Security Council responded to this proposal with.

No matter how well-written your Condemnation of Antifa is, it will not survive as Security Council legislation, because the majority of voters do not like fascists, and do not like fascist sympathizers sending them telegram after telegram trying to change their minds.

Still, 26% of votes were for the condemnation. I don't think it's negligible, considering how bad this proposal was.

[Hijlistan Arg]

*sniff* ahhh the sweet smell of salt in this thread~

[Honeydewistania]

big oof.


Very desevingly destroyed. 26% of the WA should be completely shameful that they voted for this resolution, on principle and the fact that the I could had pulled a proposal from a trash bin and get a better one than this.

[Kurnugia]

It is unfortunate seeing that the wrong lesson was learned from the staggering defeat of this proposal. ''You must write it better'' is not advice that anyone with experience in the Security Council responded to this proposal with.

No matter how well-written your Condemnation of Antifa is, it will not survive as Security Council legislation, because the majority of voters do not like fascists, and do not like fascist sympathizers sending them telegram after telegram trying to change their minds.

Still, 26% of votes were for the condemnation. I don't think it's negligible, considering how bad this proposal was.

I do think you also have to consider the partisan nature of proposals like this. A percentage of NS will always support no matter what.

[Isvataan]

I thought we were condemning raiders but 2/3 said otherwise

(Edit: Though, to be fair for the other side, the draft was looking incomplete to say at the very least)

[Kurnugia]

I thought we were condemning raiders but 2/3 said otherwise

(Edit: Though, to be fair for the other side, the draft was looking incomplete to say at the very least)

Saying that ANTIFA is a raider org is wildly inaccurate. They also lib against fash raids.