[DEFEATED] Condemn Antifa

[The Reddington States]

I cracked down on every accusation Vippertooth made about our region. This entire forum itself is proof that Antifa is being as deceptive as possible about their evidence, even outright lying about former nations and leaders.

May the only weak argument here is... yours? But then again you don't have any. "iF yOu hAtE fAsCISm yOU'll LoVE AnTIfA!"

Your grossly inept and skewed perception of my argument does not make you right.
I'd also like to point out that viper soundly defeated your argument despite your denial.

Okay, I just can't anymore.

I said "TCT RP'd as a fascist nation" and added that "TCT supported the closure of fascist embassies" in our own region, and yet Vippertooth responded with, "Haha, TCT is a fascist and you did nothing to right the wrongs of his behavior!"

Not to mention I added firsthand that the region knew nothing about embassies sheltering real fascists because they never post on our RMB.

At this point, I'm talking to multiple brick walls.

You also said "because being Anti Anti-Fascist is literally pro-fascism" and tried to inform my friend about double negatives. Seriously, what skewing?

[Impaled Nazarene]

Your grossly inept and skewed perception of my argument does not make you right.
I'd also like to point out that viper soundly defeated your argument despite your denial.

Okay, I just can't anymore.

I said "TCT RP'd as a fascist nation" and added that "TCT supported the closure of fascist embassies" in our own region, and yet Vippertooth responded with, "Haha, TCT is a fascist and you did nothing to right the wrongs of his behavior!"

Not to mention I added firsthand that the region knew nothing about embassies sheltering real fascists because they never post on our RMB.

At this point, I'm talking to multiple brick walls.

You also said "because being Anti Anti-Fascist is literally pro-fascism" and tried to inform my friend about double negatives. Seriously, what skewing?

Anti Anti = Pro. Anti AntiFascism = Pro Fascism. That is how it works. If you are not against fascism then you are for it or complacent with it.

[Vippertooth33]

Not to mention I added firsthand that the region knew nothing about embassies sheltering real fascists because they never post on our RMB.

At this point, I'm talking to multiple brick walls.

I concede, your right, it is pretty unusual for regions with names such as The Coalition Of Fascist Nations, Confederation Of Corrupt Dictators, 9cord Anarcho Fascist State, The Augusto Pinochet Vengeance Force, NAZI Europa, KAISERREICH, The Greater NAZI Empire, The Union Of The AXIS Powers, Nationstates White Genocide Memorial and The Reich to harbor Nazis or Fascists, probably not worth your time looking into is it?

[Amnarkia]

"Defeatism is counter-revolutionary."

Were I not a Right Wing Free Market Anarchist yes. But as for the argument for considering the left being dead as counter-revolutionary I would argue that it is not defeatism, but puppetry that is counter revolutionary. In the name of opposing Trump you ally and serve with the "Soros NWO Conglomerate"(As I comically call them).

Why serve one enemy in order to defeat another. Once they are done with you they will dispose of you just as you disposed of your former oppressor. Which would put an end to your revolution and make all the fruits of it's labors undone and very un-revolutionary.

I'll likely respond after work tomorrow, as it's very early and I need to sleep. Thank you for the dialogue, I hope to continue this soon.

P.S My vote and decision still stands.

[Impaled Nazarene]

"Defeatism is counter-revolutionary."

Were I not a Right Wing Free Market Anarchist yes.

Ah fuck, you're an ancap. Conversation over.

[Novum Vallis]

Not to mention I added firsthand that the region knew nothing about embassies sheltering real fascists because they never post on our RMB.

At this point, I'm talking to multiple brick walls.

I concede, your right, it is pretty unusual for regions with names such as The Coalition Of Fascist Nations, Confederation Of Corrupt Dictators, 9cord Anarcho Fascist State, The Augusto Pinochet Vengeance Force, NAZI Europa, KAISERREICH, The Greater NAZI Empire, The Union Of The AXIS Powers, Nationstates White Genocide Memorial and The Reich to harbor Nazis or Fascists, probably not worth your time looking into is it?

The Confederation of Corrupt Dictators is run by a guy who believes in RPing everything, so unfortunately his region attracts real fascists. There are some regions that RP as fascists for the sake of RPing evil, but hate it when one labels them as a Nazi. To base fascism on a region's name alone is pretty wrong, don't you think?

TCT had the same problem Jocospor had which was to accept anyone, regardless of the political view. TCT's a provocateur more than he is a fascist, but then again he isn't fascist at all: having talked to him off-site and on-site, he's very pro-immigration and leans towards a laissez-faire capitalist system. (Fascists don't support free markets.) TCT additionally talks off-site about how Jews are the most discriminated people in the region, and how people should change their negative perceptions about Jews. Despite all this, he did things that made him a major scapegoat in our own region, and we did nothing about his behavior. He took establishing embassies with fascists as a joke, and we did nothing about it. In the end, that's our own fault.

Unlike my friend Reddington here, I don't support "condemning Antifa" (for obvious reasons), but most of us Redlandians didn't appreciate being raided because we only wanted to roleplay and share memes. When a real fascist was found making comments about racial superiority on his own RMB, the majority of us called him out on it and banjected him from the region. It also wouldn't make sense for Reddington and the others to support Antifa after you guys raided our old region.

As much as I hate to say it, Reddington, Charleotopia, or any Redlandian advocating against this proposal would be a slap to the face to their own peers.

[Elyreia]

So many lovely arguments for or against.

A shame that none of them are referenced in the proposal at vote.

Must say I certainly won't view Antifa or any of their colleagues as friends but many of the Anti-Antifas haven't made good impressions either.

Elyreia will continue being purple, because it's a much more vibrant and lively color than red or blue.

[Charleotopia]

Not to mention I added firsthand that the region knew nothing about embassies sheltering real fascists because they never post on our RMB.

At this point, I'm talking to multiple brick walls.

I concede, your right, it is pretty unusual for regions with names such as The Coalition Of Fascist Nations, Confederation Of Corrupt Dictators, 9cord Anarcho Fascist State, The Augusto Pinochet Vengeance Force, NAZI Europa, KAISERREICH, The Greater NAZI Empire, The Union Of The AXIS Powers, Nationstates White Genocide Memorial and The Reich to harbor Nazis or Fascists, probably not worth your time looking into is it?

Nobody in the region cared because they haven't done anything. They haven't posted on our RMB their political opinions, thoughts about society, etc. So again, how does that make Northern Redlands fascist? How does that warrant putting Redlandia on the Civil Defence Siren?

You tell me.

Update: This just goes to show that Antifa will go as far as using your region's name against you as a means to justify shutting your region down. Another reason to condemn these folks.

[Impaled Nazarene]

I concede, your right, it is pretty unusual for regions with names such as The Coalition Of Fascist Nations, Confederation Of Corrupt Dictators, 9cord Anarcho Fascist State, The Augusto Pinochet Vengeance Force, NAZI Europa, KAISERREICH, The Greater NAZI Empire, The Union Of The AXIS Powers, Nationstates White Genocide Memorial and The Reich to harbor Nazis or Fascists, probably not worth your time looking into is it?

Nobody in the region cared because they haven't done anything. They haven't posted on our RMB their political opinions, thoughts about society, etc. So again, how does that make Northern Redlands fascist? How does that warrant putting Redlandia on the Civil Defence Siren?

You tell me.

Update: This just goes to show that Antifa will go as far as using your region's name against you as a means to justifying shutting your region down. Another reason to condemn these folks.

Hate to break it to you but the likes of Nazi Europa are full of RL fascists and your association with them is intolerable.

[LGBT Londontown]

Nobody in the region cared because they haven't done anything. They haven't posted on our RMB their political opinions, thoughts about society, etc. So again, how does that make Northern Redlands fascist? How does that warrant putting Redlandia on the Civil Defence Siren?

You tell me.

Update: This just goes to show that Antifa will go as far as using your region's name against you as a means to justifying shutting your region down. Another reason to condemn these folks.

Hate to break it to you but the likes of Nazi Europa are full of RL fascists and your association with them is intolerable.

Hate to break it to you, but Redlandia currently has no association with fascists.

Most Redlandians loathe Antifa for the raid of Northern Redlands, aka their old region. Most of them have either done nothing or have been wrongfully accused, while TCT solely displayed very controversial behavior. And yes, TCT was criticized by the end of it all for being the center of the region's problems. I know because I am one of his harshest critics. The criticism hasn't really died down, to be brutally honest.

Furthermore, since TCT's departure, displays of "Nazism" and fascism in our region have dropped drastically.

Why support a group of people who drove us into a month of turmoil?

I'm against this proposal, but they have their points, you know.

[Charleotopia]

Nobody in the region cared because they haven't done anything. They haven't posted on our RMB their political opinions, thoughts about society, etc. So again, how does that make Northern Redlands fascist? How does that warrant putting Redlandia on the Civil Defence Siren?

You tell me.

Update: This just goes to show that Antifa will go as far as using your region's name against you as a means to justifying shutting your region down. Another reason to condemn these folks.

Hate to break it to you but the likes of Nazi Europa are full of RL fascists and your association with them is intolerable.

We have no association with fascists.

Reddington was accused of "cucking" and "creating a safe space" when he and his administration cut ties with fascists.

[LGBT Londontown]

Not to mention I added firsthand that the region knew nothing about embassies sheltering real fascists because they never post on our RMB.

At this point, I'm talking to multiple brick walls.

I concede, your right, it is pretty unusual for regions with names such as The Coalition Of Fascist Nations, Confederation Of Corrupt Dictators, 9cord Anarcho Fascist State, The Augusto Pinochet Vengeance Force, NAZI Europa, KAISERREICH, The Greater NAZI Empire, The Union Of The AXIS Powers, Nationstates White Genocide Memorial and The Reich to harbor Nazis or Fascists, probably not worth your time looking into is it?

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=33731012

This was what most of us thought back then and this was why nothing about the embassies was done.

Why tell Reddington that he should've investigated the embassies when everybody in our region believed that fascists were only RPing as fascists? You do understand that you're arguing this idea to the same man who accepted the very proposal you yourself condoned via telegram, right?

Doesn't make sense.

[Vippertooth33]

My opinion regarding Redlandia as it stands 21 days ago: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=34261887

I have not even glanced at your region since that post, you are no longer on Antifa's radar.

With regards to the Civil Defence Siren, myself nor anyone else in Antifa has any say over it, the system is currently run by the five feeder regions: The North Pacific, The East Pacific, the South Pacific, the West Pacific, and the Pacific.

I can try and put in a good word for you if you like but the decision is theirs alone.

[LGBT Londontown]

I can try and put in a good word for you if you like but the decision is theirs alone.

Please do. Of all the things that have happened to Redlandians, the CDS is by far the worst of them. The CDS lists us along with... [i]ugh[i]... the Iron Confederacy and their like. Additionally it's really annoying for both older members and newcomers. Not a single nation understands why our region has the siren to begin with.

[Vippertooth33]

I can try and put in a good word for you if you like but the decision is theirs alone.

Please do. Of all the things that have happened to Redlandians, the CDS is by far the worst of them. The CDS lists us along with... [i]ugh[i]... the Iron Confederacy and their like. Additionally it's really annoying for both older members and newcomers. Not a single nation understands why our region has the siren to begin with.

Telegram sent, keep up the good work

[Communist Warzone]

My opinion regarding Redlandia as it stands 21 days ago: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=34261887

I have not even glanced at your region since that post, you are no longer on Antifa's radar.

With regards to the Civil Defence Siren, myself nor anyone else in Antifa has any say over it, the system is currently run by the five feeder regions: The North Pacific, The East Pacific, the South Pacific, the West Pacific, and the Pacific.

I can try and put in a good word for you if you like but the decision is theirs alone.

are you even serious? Redlandia
1) Have an embassy with the FCN,who have members in the APVF and the founder says the n word a lot.
2) Have re-opened their war room
3) Still regularly associate themselves with Schnoidland and TCT, DOS players

[Novo Marco]

My opinion regarding Redlandia as it stands 21 days ago: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=34261887

I have not even glanced at your region since that post, you are no longer on Antifa's radar.

With regards to the Civil Defence Siren, myself nor anyone else in Antifa has any say over it, the system is currently run by the five feeder regions: The North Pacific, The East Pacific, the South Pacific, the West Pacific, and the Pacific.

I can try and put in a good word for you if you like but the decision is theirs alone.

are you even serious? Redlandia
1) Have an embassy with the FCN,who have members in the APVF and the founder says the n word a lot.
2) Have re-opened their war room
3) Still regularly associate themselves with Schnoidland and TCT, DOS players

1) Where?
2) Members can raid independently, they're not forbidden to join interregional raid alliances. However, there's a policy currently in place that prohibits raiders from having an administration role.
3) Okay and so?

[LGBT Londontown]

My opinion regarding Redlandia as it stands 21 days ago: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=34261887

I have not even glanced at your region since that post, you are no longer on Antifa's radar.

With regards to the Civil Defence Siren, myself nor anyone else in Antifa has any say over it, the system is currently run by the five feeder regions: The North Pacific, The East Pacific, the South Pacific, the West Pacific, and the Pacific.

I can try and put in a good word for you if you like but the decision is theirs alone.

are you even serious? Redlandia
1) Have an embassy with the FCN,who have members in the APVF and the founder says the n word a lot.
2) Have re-opened their war room
3) Still regularly associate themselves with Schnoidland and TCT, DOS players

1) I've not met members from the FCN who are also affiliated with the APVF, and if I do meet them chances are we're not going to be buddies.
2) I don't know about this war room, I don't follow interregional raids.
3) I hope you understand that Schnoidland chose to get DOS'd. He accused moderators of selective enforcement which the Redlandian administration found evidence to his claims. He protested by uploading hardly passable flags and writing an erotica and sending it to moderators.

Other than that, can you leave us alone?

[Christian Confederation]

Not to mention I added firsthand that the region knew nothing about embassies sheltering real fascists because they never post on our RMB.

At this point, I'm talking to multiple brick walls.

Kaiserreich is not about fac me
I concede, your right, it is pretty unusual for regions with names such as The Coalition Of Fascist Nations, Confederation Of Corrupt Dictators, 9cord Anarcho Fascist State, The Augusto Pinochet Vengeance Force, NAZI Europa, KAISERREICH, The Greater NAZI Empire, The Union Of The AXIS Powers, Nationstates White Genocide Memorial and The Reich to harbor Nazis or Fascists, probably not worth your time looking into is it?

Kaiserreich is Alternative History about what if Germany had won World War 1 not World War 2.
http://kaiserreich.wikia.com/wiki/The_Kaiserreich_Wiki

[The Reddington States]

1) Have an embassy with the FCN,who have members in the APVF and the founder says the n word a lot.

I guess they may be problematic but this makes us fascists because...?

2) Have re-opened their war room.

Lmao the war room was re-opened so that "Operation: Tabby Cat III" would be planned in secret by nations who the administration said multiple times would not endorse or employ. No one in the chatroom even got to the details of Tabby Cat III, because nobody was interested in raiding in the first place, especially if it meant being stripped of administrative privileges. The Redlandian administration currently discourages raiding by prohibiting raiders from applying for government roles, and TCT was upset that I denounced the use of secret puppets (due to our new voting rights system), something that he was notoriously infamous for in the region.

The War Room is there, and it is completely useless.

3) Still regularly associate themselves with Schnoidland and TCT, DOS players

The region learned that TCT lost all of his puppets to moderator intervention over the use of Nazi symbolism. TCT RP'd a puppet called Jokenation which the entire region genuinely hated. He used several graphics and images to visually depict his evil country. Moderators did not take the graphics kindly and deleted TCT's fascist puppet and other dispatches containing denounced symbolism. Charleotopia questioned the moderators on why, despite never having endorsed fascism out-of-character, was TCT punished for the use of Nazi imagery. Schnoidland was also one of the users who was infuriated by the moderator's actions. He protested the act by uploading several flags that were deemed offensive, which resulted in his account getting deleted. Schnoidland then made another puppet to write a post violating every possible rule in the One Stop Rules Shop, especially after the region caught moderators warning members for flaming which never happened. Dunstrum was warned for saying "fack" instead of "f*ck" or "fuck" (I'm being 100% serious), while Southwest Bushfort was warned by a moderator for calling someone a fool--literally. Yes, really, these things happened.

TCT was DOS'd because he was too provocative by NS standards. As for Schnoidland, he protested the mods all the way to his grave.

We keep in touch with them because they aren't exactly the villains that you depict them to be.

[Ransium]

Wolf crying at best, was one nation responsible for all of the following issues in Northern Redlands: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=33731341 AND https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=33831553 ?



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If you are playing NationStates, not as a Nazi/Fascist or providing them a "safe space", chances are you probably have never heard of NS Antifa, prove me wrong!

4chan will find you Antifa cucks Kek Kek

Since you are a relatively new user I’m going to be excessively generous and give this an unofficial warning for threatening a user/ trolling. Don’t make these sort or threats and don’t insult other users personally e,g. calling them cucks.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

1) Have an embassy with the FCN,who have members in the APVF and the founder says the n word a lot.

He used to say that disgusting word, but that has come to an end, and we're not even fascist. Stop citing us as if we are.

[Gagium]

My opinion regarding Redlandia as it stands 21 days ago: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=34261887

I have not even glanced at your region since that post, you are no longer on Antifa's radar.

With regards to the Civil Defence Siren, myself nor anyone else in Antifa has any say over it, the system is currently run by the five feeder regions: The North Pacific, The East Pacific, the South Pacific, the West Pacific, and the Pacific.

I can try and put in a good word for you if you like but the decision is theirs alone.

1) Have an embassy with the FCN,who have members in the APVF and the founder says the n word a lot.

I don't believe I've ever seen you around before?

Regardless, this thread is about the condemnation of ANTIFA currently being voted on, not for your take on stuff that ended nearly a year ago, or APVF (Where'd you get the idea to affiliate us with that inactive organization again?). Nor is this thread about whether or not Redlandia are big bad guys.

Thank you

On topic with this thread, ANTIFA is an organization that has gotten out of hand and regularly resorts to smearing right-wing regions and has, in instances, even raided regions with socialist and democratic tags because they also had a 'fascist' tag, while using tactics similar to the fascists they claim to be against. Voted FOR

[Ransium]

Reading through the rest of the thread since I last stopped, I’d like to remind folks discussion of RL Antifa, communism, fascism, etc. with no grounding in NS belongs in the General Forum. Further discussion of that here will be treated as threadjacking. This thread is about condemning the NS region of Antifa.

I’m also tiring of the discussion of northern Redlands. I’m not saying it has no grounding to the region of Antifa, but it shouldn’t become the central topic of this thread. Let’s kindly move along.

[Volkhar]

I hope someday we get a well written condemnation for antifa there is lots of reasons to condemn them but unfortunately this doesn’t show much.