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Tinhampton
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Postby Tinhampton » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:21 am

OK, how in the good name of Mike Gatting did this get to vote? AGAINST due to lack of sourcing for claims made in the resolution.
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1 GA Resolution + 1 co-authored:
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C: GA#491, Rights of the employed (54%)

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C: #1115, One in the Arm for @@LEADER@@?

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Postby Lord Dominator » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:22 am

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Which this... proposal... won't and can't do even if it had any possibility of passing in any form.
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Postby State of Gorman » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:24 am

Not supporting materials whatsoever for claims. Cannot support.

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Postby Luziyca » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:45 am

...this resolution is so empty that even if I were to believe that Antifa were "alt-left," I cannot possibly support it. As I don't buy into the claims that Antifa is alt-left, I have to vote against, regardless of whether it is better written or not.
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Postby Ragnaria » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:57 am

No, this is just plain lies and falsehoods.

Vote against without any doubts at all.

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Postby Grug Island » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:05 am

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Postby Frances Francis the First of France » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:29 am

If the author could please give a list of the "peaceful regions" that have been invaded since no list was ever provided

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:37 am

Tinhampton wrote:OK, how in the good name of Mike Gatting did this get to vote? AGAINST due to lack of sourcing for claims made in the resolution.

An SC equivalent of the Ball of the Century? :)
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Postby Tinhampton » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:49 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:OK, how in the good name of Mike Gatting did this get to vote? AGAINST due to lack of sourcing for claims made in the resolution.

An SC equivalent of the Ball of the Century? :)

Not quite, the bloke that proposed this doesn't even have ten million population let alone ten years of experience :P
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A: SC#250, Repeal "Liberate Femdom Empire" (87%)
A: SC#251, Commend Alasdair I Frosticus (91%)
A: SC#267, Repeal "Liberate The East Pacific" (90%)

1 GA Resolution + 1 co-authored:
A: GA#484, Disease Naming Compact (54%)
C: GA#491, Rights of the employed (54%)

0 Issues + 1 co-authored:
C: #1115, One in the Arm for @@LEADER@@?

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Postby Blood Wine » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:54 am

How the hell did this dreck get past voting? even the operative clause has an spelling error, jesus christ
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Postby Ceolophysia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:54 am

Tinhampton wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:An SC equivalent of the Ball of the Century? :)

Not quite, the bloke that proposed this doesn't even have ten million population let alone ten years of experience :P

They apparently only have a few days experience, since it looks like they created their nation on February 15.
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Obvious fraud

Postby Skaveria » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:06 pm

So this proposal is so poorly written that it's comical.

The author's nation is extremely new...

AND they're nation resides in a literal NAZI region...

Not to sound conspiratorial... But it seems like this was written by a left-wing shell nation just to make right-wingers look bad.

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Postby Slackertown » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:47 pm

As a proud Corrupt Dictatorship I vote AGAINST this poorly written and insulting proposal. There is no actual sustenance here and it's insulting to all that it is even being considered to be enacted.

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The Reddington States
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Needs More Detail on the Proposal

Postby The Reddington States » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:54 pm

I want to support this proposal, as the co-founder of Northern Redlands, Antifa added our region to the Civil Defence Siren in a list of legitimately fascist regions, with evidence being embassies, tags, and a few comments taken completely out of context. Ninety percent of the posts were done by one person, The Confederate Territory, who was unfortunately the other co-founder. Even worse, members of Northern Redlands / Redlandia are still being generalized as Nazis.

However, this proposal needs more detail on how Antifa is raiding innocent regions.

"NOTING how among the regions that Antifa has invaded, many were peaceful and innocent.
ENRAGED by the fact that Antifa invades peaceful regions and complains when others (of a different ideology) do the same."


The wording is pretty redundant, as one could see.

I'd really proofread the entire proposal because while I agree with you, this is a poorly written proposal.
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The Sect Meces
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Postby The Sect Meces » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:16 pm

Gonna have to vote against due to the lack of evidence provided.

In a sense I guess there's some irony in accusing a region called Antifa of doing something horrible without actual evidence to back it up but that's besides the point.

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Postby Mockia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:20 pm

SUPPORT, because I fear for the future of free speech on this site.
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Tinhampton
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Postby Tinhampton » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:33 pm

The Reddington States wrote:I want to support this proposal, as the co-founder of Northern Redlands, Antifa added our region to the Civil Defence Siren

No, a coalition of all five feeders did, none of which are Antifa members. "Antifa" was to your placement on the Civil Defence Siren what Arthur Wellesley was to the bailout of Lloyds Banking Group.
Mockia wrote:SUPPORT, because I fear for the future of free speech on this site.

You have no "free speech" on NationStates, only Max-approved speech. If He wants to ban the use of the letter "F" on this website effective tomorrow, then he can :P

On a more serious note, elaborate on NS Antifa's suppression of free speech.
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3 SC Resolutions + 0 co-authored:
A: SC#250, Repeal "Liberate Femdom Empire" (87%)
A: SC#251, Commend Alasdair I Frosticus (91%)
A: SC#267, Repeal "Liberate The East Pacific" (90%)

1 GA Resolution + 1 co-authored:
A: GA#484, Disease Naming Compact (54%)
C: GA#491, Rights of the employed (54%)

0 Issues + 1 co-authored:
C: #1115, One in the Arm for @@LEADER@@?

Winners of the 73rd Cup of Harmony

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Dreadton
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Postby Dreadton » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:55 pm

Our nation will be voting against this Condemnation, as there is not a single bit of supporting evidence in this resolution. It is an extremely poorly written piece, whos likely purpose is to generate outrage at being oppressed by "liberal factions." If the "author" of the resolution would modify it to include supporting facts and events that a nation can review and make an informed decision on the matter, we will reconsider our position then.
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The Reddington States
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Postby The Reddington States » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:58 pm

Tinhampton wrote:No, a coalition of all five feeders did, none of which are Antifa members. "Antifa" was to your placement on the Civil Defence Siren what Arthur Wellesley was to the bailout of Lloyds Banking Group.

Regardless, putting Redlandia in the CDS list is wrong. However, since that's not what this forum is specifically for, I won't go any further than here.
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Postby Rat Piss » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:08 pm

Mockia wrote:SUPPORT, because I fear for the future of free speech on this site.

Ah, so to save free speech you'll be running to mommy to stop the naughty people from saying rude things?

Too many here pretend to care about free speech when it has to do with expressing bigoted world views, only to become utter hypocrisy when someone with conflicting opinions is the tiniest bit too loud for their liking.

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Postby Furry Things » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:34 pm

Against. This is hardly a proposal, wasn't drafted, no input was taken or acted upon, and there's no proof of anything alleged.

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Postby Kavagrad » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:40 pm

Mockia wrote:SUPPORT, because I fear for the future of free speech on this site.

Who is trying to stop you from speaking? When have NS Antifa ever tried to stop you, or anyone, from speaking? All the fascists who’s regions have been invaded, can still speak, can they not?

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Postby Christian Confederation » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:58 pm

Kavagrad wrote:
Mockia wrote:SUPPORT, because I fear for the future of free speech on this site.

Who is trying to stop you from speaking? When have NS Antifa ever tried to stop you, or anyone, from speaking? All the fascists who’s regions have been invaded, can still speak, can they not?

Nazis still bitter that NS is a community that isn’t willing to put up with their toxic shit.

I think the resolution is due to antifa being agressive to regions for embassys they call facist.
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Postby The Tri State Area and Maine » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:42 pm

I'd definitely support a better written version, but this is too poorly written.

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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:48 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:I think the resolution is due to antifa being agressive to regions for embassys they call facist.

They literally just go after regions that are obviously far-right. All the ‘Nazi’ and ‘Fascist’ labeled regions keep on getting raided. There’s no good place for them to hide. Irl, I’m against antifa, but the nationstates antifa has done more good than bad. Unlike the real life ones, they effectively stop far-right views from spreading while not harming anyone.
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