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[DEFEATED] Condemn Antifa

Postby Canterac » Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:39 am

A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation

Nominee: Antifa

Proposed by: Koholint-Island

NOTING that Antifa is a region created to invade others that present a different ideology.

NOTING how among the regions that Antifa has invaded, many were peaceful and innocent.

ENRAGED by the fact that Antifa invades peaceful regions and complains when others (of a different ideology) do the same.

DISGUSTED that Antifa is an Alt-left region that presents ideologies just as dangerous as the Alt-right it wants to fight.

HEREBY, condemn Antifa.
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Postby Koholint-Island » Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:40 am

Thx

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:06 am

You’re going to have to do a lot more work on this as you’ve given no detailed reasons to condemn. At the moment this is a pretty mediocre attempt.

Would advise you read other past, passed Condemnations to get an idea of the work you need to do to bring this up to scratch.
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Postby Caelapes » Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:23 pm

so what're y'all's real nations
    
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Postby Cedoria » Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:30 pm

Hah no.

Start with giving actual examples of behaviour and reason to condemn beyond just ideological generalities. Then maybe this will have a snowball's chance in hell.
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Postby United Confederate States » Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:32 pm

the Sheboyganite Union approves this

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Postby Borovan3 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:39 pm

Nay until more substantial reasons

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Postby Sheboyganite Union » Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:47 pm

No i say we pass this and end ages of Antifa persecutions and for violation of freedom of speech for all fascist regions as it is guranteed by the WA

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Postby Borovan3 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:33 pm

Sheboyganite Union wrote:No i say we pass this and end ages of Antifa persecutions and for violation of freedom of speech for all fascist regions as it is guranteed by the WA

Regions aren't entitled to anything. That's outside the GA realm. If the freedoms really are guaranteed by the WA all the nation's in a region should be in the WA and not freeloading the benefits.

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Postby Bedetopia » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:07 pm

I feel like directly saying "alt-left" and "alt-right" goes against rule 4a, though GenSec allowed it. What am I missing?
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:12 pm

Like others have said in this thread, this needs a lot more work to be viable, though to be honest, it probably won't pass anyway due to the current political climate in the WA.
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Postby Lyrical International Brigade » Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:37 pm

Bedetopia wrote:I feel like directly saying "alt-left" and "alt-right" goes against rule 4a, though GenSec allowed it. What am I missing?


Speaking for myself only, "alt-right" is a generic enough descriptor that I don't count it as a specific RL reference (you can understand its basics without necessarily referring to specific people, e.g.); while "alt-left" is a figment of the imaginations of
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Postby Lord Dominator » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:43 am

I'm confused on the chatter about GenSec in a SC thread...
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Postby Bedetopia » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:44 am

Lord Dominator wrote:I'm confused on the chatter about GenSec in a SC thread...


Uh well, how are the guys who decide the legality of SC proposals called then?

Lyrical International Brigade wrote:
Bedetopia wrote:I feel like directly saying "alt-left" and "alt-right" goes against rule 4a, though GenSec allowed it. What am I missing?


Speaking for myself only, "alt-right" is a generic enough descriptor that I don't count it as a specific RL reference (you can understand its basics without necessarily referring to specific people, e.g.); while "alt-left" is a figment of the imaginations of
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...and therefore cannot be an RL reference.

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Feels like a double standard if you ask me.

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Postby Qwabour Harbour » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:53 am

Here we go again.

1) Evidence on innocent regions
2) We raid fascist regions
3) we aren't alt left
4) what is your main

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Postby Lord Dominator » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:23 am

Bedetopia wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:I'm confused on the chatter about GenSec in a SC thread...


Uh well, how are the guys who decide the legality of SC proposals called then?

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Postby Kranostav » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:28 pm

While I have no opinion on this, it does seem odd to be frothing at the mouth because someone posted a proposal with a puppet. Don't let your jimmies be rustled :hug:
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Postby Pogorevka » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:37 pm

Disappointed in this. There are plenty of reasons to condemn and generally find antifa and the like insufferable, yet your proposal is devoid of just about any reason worth a vote

Withdrawal and redraft imho.

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Postby Lyrical International Brigade » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:50 pm

Bedetopia wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:I'm confused on the chatter about GenSec in a SC thread...


Uh well, how are the guys who decide the legality of SC proposals called then?
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Lyrical International Brigade wrote:
Speaking for myself only, "alt-right" is a generic enough descriptor that I don't count it as a specific RL reference (you can understand its basics without necessarily referring to specific people, e.g.); while "alt-left" is a figment of the imaginations of
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-- 1/6 GenSec


Feels like a double standard if you ask me.


In what sense? I wouldn't count either "alt-left" or "alt-right" as an RL reference in the GA, and I have no say over the SC.

Unless you mean "one chamber has one standard and the other chamber has another standard." In which case this is to be expected.
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Postby Nuclear Wastelands » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:55 pm

OOC: This Proposal can be seen as a 4(c) violation. I suggest you come up with more IC reasons in the Draft. Secondly, this proposal is obviously a draft and I suggest you work on it to make it a bit beefier with more information about why condemn "Antifa".

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Postby Ithreland » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:00 pm

Lyrical International Brigade wrote:
Bedetopia wrote:I feel like directly saying "alt-left" and "alt-right" goes against rule 4a, though GenSec allowed it. What am I missing?


Speaking for myself only, "alt-right" is a generic enough descriptor that I don't count it as a specific RL reference (you can understand its basics without necessarily referring to specific people, e.g.); while "alt-left" is a figment of the imaginations of
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...and therefore cannot be an RL reference.

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A member of RL Antifa once attacked someone with a bike lock. Any extreme group can be bad, or "alt-direction".
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Postby Ransium » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:27 pm

Although I’m not a fan of alt-left/right appearing in an SC proposal, I’m inclined to give most political terms that are generic enough (don’t reference a specific RL person, place, event etc.) a pass from an R4(a) perspective.

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Postby Bedetopia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:40 am

Would you look at all these approvals. This thing is actually getting to quorum.

While it doesn't help that a certain news source made an article on this, I suspect there is some aggressive Jocospor-style campaigning at work.

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Postby Ransium » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:04 am

This resolution is at vote.

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Postby The Communist Union of B » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:12 am

I agree with this. Antifa spreads propaganda and invades regions under the guise of “we’re removing fascism and making the world better” when all they’re doing is destabilizing peaceful right wing regions and doing more damage then the alt-right they try to fight and leaving them an empty husk. It’s time to end them once and far all.

I do have to agree this is a pretty empty assembly proposal though and will need to be redrafted to have great effect.
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