[Defeated] Restricting Solitary Confinement

[Kenmoria]

“I would maybe consider adding ‘or exacerbated by’ after ‘caused’ in clause 3. Other than that, this has my full support.”

"Fixed, ambassador, thank you for pointing that out."

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OOC: I would just like to double check whether the strength is right, but other than that I would tentatively say that this could be ready for submission pretty soon...

(OOC: The strength seems fine. A mild strength proposal could have encouraging language, but it could also affect a small policy area. As solitary confinement is only a small facet of criminal justice, the proposal makes sense as mild.)

[Maowi]

"Fixed, ambassador, thank you for pointing that out."

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OOC: I would just like to double check whether the strength is right, but other than that I would tentatively say that this could be ready for submission pretty soon...

(OOC: The strength seems fine. A mild strength proposal could have encouraging language, but it could also affect a small policy area. As solitary confinement is only a small facet of criminal justice, the proposal makes sense as mild.)

Thank you. If nobody brings up any major concerns, I'll probably submit in a few days.

[Araraukar]

If nobody brings up any major concerns

OOC: None that I can see.

[Maowi]

If nobody brings up any major concerns

OOC: None that I can see.

Ok, then I'll submit it monday afternoon just in case someone decides that I've somehow force legalised guns or something ...

[Araraukar]

Ok, then I'll submit it monday afternoon just in case someone decides that I've somehow force legalised guns or something ...

OOC: Just change the title to not start with "on". I'd go for Restricting Solitary Confinement instead, or something like that.

[Maowi]

Ok, then I'll submit it monday afternoon just in case someone decides that I've somehow force legalised guns or something ...

OOC: Just change the title to not start with "on". I'd go for Restricting Solitary Confinement instead, or something like that.

Yep, IA's final clause of his draft repeal of 'On Tobacco etc.' made me rethink that.

[WA Kitty Kops]

OOC: Just change the title to not start with "on". I'd go for Restricting Solitary Confinement instead, or something like that.

Yep, IA's final clause of his draft repeal of 'On Tobacco etc.' made me rethink that.

OOC: Can probably fiddle it further as "Solitary Confinement Regulations". Just don't make it an "act" either.

[Free Distan]

Would the ruling that "all member nations must provide or make available effective treatment or therapy for people with mental disorders or illnesses caused or exacerbated by solitary confinement" apply to the safety exemptions from the previous clause? Would it be possible to make that more explicit?

[Maowi]

Would the ruling that "all member nations must provide or make available effective treatment or therapy for people with mental disorders or illnesses caused or exacerbated by solitary confinement" apply to the safety exemptions from the previous clause? Would it be possible to make that more explicit?

That's a good point, and I think I do want it to apply even for the exemptions in the previous clause. If you put someone in solitary confinement - especially if it's to protect them (but even if not) - you should be willing to help them recover. Especially as I would find it strange if they were given absolutely no meaningful contact with another person, not even with a psychiatrist or even just a prison warden.

In which case, it should be fine to leave it like this, right?

[Araraukar]

Especially as I would find it strange if they were given absolutely no meaningful contact with another person, not even with a psychiatrist or even just a prison warden.

OOC: That problem arises from the "to see or communicate with" bit of the definition, since I don't think the warden would be - especially in a facility with remote-controlled doors and video surveillance - within sight and hearing distance with the prisoners all the time. The prisoners might be (video surveillance), but not the other way round. Unless you count it meaningful contact when someone comes to bring them food and then later collect the dishes, even if that contact lasted all of few seconds and the food-bringer didn't speak to the prisoner (thus not fitting "communicate with").

But those are the kinds of details that should be left to the nations to handle - the current bit about the duration still works to prevent the solitude from becoming an issue. Even if the contact with someone was "only" interaction with a shrink.

[Maowi]

Especially as I would find it strange if they were given absolutely no meaningful contact with another person, not even with a psychiatrist or even just a prison warden.

OOC:The current bit about the duration still works to prevent the solitude from becoming an issue. Even if the contact with someone was "only" interaction with a shrink.

That's what I meant, I just didn't say it very clearly...

Ok, I'm going to submit this now

[Kenmoria]

OOC:The current bit about the duration still works to prevent the solitude from becoming an issue. Even if the contact with someone was "only" interaction with a shrink.

That's what I meant, I just didn't say it very clearly...

Ok, I'm going to submit this now

(OOC: Good luck! This proposal will hopefully go far.)

[Araraukar]

Ok, I'm going to submit this now

OOC: Have you campaigned for it?

[Maowi]

Ok, I'm going to submit this now

OOC: Have you campaigned for it?

My regional delegate told me she'd send my campaign tg to all wa delegates as she can do it for free, I don't think she's sent it yet

[Araraukar]

I don't think she's sent it yet

OOC: Should've been sent as soon as you submitted - a bit over 1/3 of the time the submission stays on the list has already passed, and not all people log in every day.

[Salcanceacy]

Solitary confinement I prefer the term protective custody.

[Arasi Luvasa]

It isn't protective custody when used as a punishment, which I believe is what this resolution is primarily addressing. Protective custody is dealt with because it is often a subset of solitary confinement.

[Salcanceacy]

It isn't protective custody when used as a punishment, which I believe is what this resolution is primarily addressing. Protective custody is dealt with because it is often a subset of solitary confinement.

Just suggesting a work around for 'Morally adaptable' nations. It's not like I have prison or a justice system myself, so more room to work around with.

[Arasi Luvasa]

Not sure you can have no justice system, some resolution I am sure require your government to have formed some level of a justice system.

[Salcanceacy]

Not sure you can have no justice system, some resolution I am sure require your government to have formed some level of a justice system.

Technically we do but we call it 'Community cohesion'. It works to 'improve' and 'help' deviants, coexist with the state and society at an 'acceptable' level.

[Maowi]

I don't think she's sent it yet

OOC: Should've been sent as soon as you submitted - a bit over 1/3 of the time the submission stays on the list has already passed, and not all people log in every day.

I know, it's not ideal, but my delegate's not on 24/7 either... I probably should have thought to contact her in advance...

Solitary confinement I prefer the term protective custody.

As the term is defined in the resolution, it doesn't matter which you prefer. I could have used banana cheesecake, although that probably would've been shot down

[Arasi Luvasa]

I could have used banana cheesecake, although that probably would've been shot down

Though hilarious Still, good luck.

[United States of Americanas]

I fully support the ban of solitary confinement in all situations be it a prison or mental health facility.

Any person who does not support this resolution is supporting torture and is enabling damage to the human psyche.

Furthermore I acknowledge that in certain situations solitary confinement for a short period (up to 24 hours) to protect a person from harming others or from being harmed may be necessary. However such confined person shall have access to a psychotherapist by using a special telephone inside of the room.

[Wallenburg]

This is now at vote.

[Vrama]

This is a criminal justice issue. Different nations have different mores, customs, and their own unique problems.

This is clearly an issue best decided by the individual member-states. Therefore, we vote against.