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Kenmoria
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Postby Kenmoria » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:06 pm

Cosmosplosion wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:“I have some criticisms and feedback on this proposal, which I have out in red.”

"Thank you for your feedback ambassador. Much of it was taken and is now reflected in the draft. While we are going to have to agree to disagree on the corporate freedom point, these regulations do not stop anyone from purchasing these products. All this proposal really serves to do is put common sense regulations in place on member nations and educate the general public on how dangerous their habits can be."

(OOC: That is exactly what I was hoping would happen. Kenmoria functions partly as a reflection of my own politics and partly as a satire of extreme capitalism, from the perspective of a moderate capitalist. The corporate freedom points were mainly serving as suggestions of arguments to preempt either in your preamble clauses or in the thread.)
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Cosmosplosion
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Postby Cosmosplosion » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:30 pm

Kenmoria wrote:
Cosmosplosion wrote:"Thank you for your feedback ambassador. Much of it was taken and is now reflected in the draft. While we are going to have to agree to disagree on the corporate freedom point, these regulations do not stop anyone from purchasing these products. All this proposal really serves to do is put common sense regulations in place on member nations and educate the general public on how dangerous their habits can be."

(OOC: That is exactly what I was hoping would happen. Kenmoria functions partly as a reflection of my own politics and partly as a satire of extreme capitalism, from the perspective of a moderate capitalist. The corporate freedom points were mainly serving as suggestions of arguments to preempt either in your preamble clauses or in the thread.)

OOC: Added a clause to counter that argument!
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Athaxauland
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Postby Athaxauland » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:47 pm

I agree with it. To a point.
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Masurbia
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Postby Masurbia » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:39 pm

Would you consider tobacco a drug, in the context of this proposal?
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Kyoki Chudoku
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Postby Kyoki Chudoku » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:43 pm

Tokiko stood up to deliver a Chudokuren perspective on the proposal. ”This doesn’t affect most of us, because in most cases here, people don’t use nicotine. But there are a few exceptions, mainly because of the war. The biggest objection I have is having to credit the World Assembly on every packet, but since we have so few of the things regardless, I don’t see it being a major problem. I’m not a smoker myself, though. I did shūkei instead.”
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Postby Comradeistan » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:47 pm

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Postby Hatzisland » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:28 pm

Really great draft that has our absolute support! You did a really good job with this! This plan should easily pass the General Assembly. I hope to see this plan on the floor soon.
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Postby Hatzisland » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:32 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:"The Haven disagrees strongly with this proposal as it would serve as a breach of the Havenic constitution's absolute protection of free speech. The concept of a 'minor' is also something alien to us."


Your argument makes sense, but you have to understand that words have a serious impact on lives If "free speech" was as you consider it, there would be massive fraud, widespread lies by companies, and people would be allowed to lie under oath. There has to be a line, and I think this is a good line.
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Postby Maowi » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:43 pm

"This is a sensible, well-written resolution.We agree with the delegate from Kyoki Chudoku, it is a little jarring to have the WA credited on all the packaging, but that's just small quibble and we hope you are successful in getting this to the floor."
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Postby Elyreia » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:12 pm

The Elyreian lenton has reviewed the latest draft of the proposal, and have authorized its enforcement. We hold similar concerns regarding the WOrld Assembly essentially being branded on every container and package, but our concern level is about the same as not liking what color the paper the draft is printed on - small and inconsequential.

Elyreia is in favor.
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Cosmosplosion
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Postby Cosmosplosion » Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:02 pm

"We have decided to remove the reference to the World Assembly on warning labels. While we believe that the World Assembly would lend some credence to the claims, the claims remain true and clearly labeled regardless of whether our bodies' name is slapped on there or not."
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:42 pm

Hatzisland wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:"The Haven disagrees strongly with this proposal as it would serve as a breach of the Havenic constitution's absolute protection of free speech. The concept of a 'minor' is also something alien to us."


Your argument makes sense, but you have to understand that words have a serious impact on lives If "free speech" was as you consider it, there would be massive fraud, widespread lies by companies, and people would be allowed to lie under oath. There has to be a line, and I think this is a good line.

((OOC: The Haven, as would likely be known by ambassadors but highly unlikely to be known by players, is what would be considered in RL as a failed state. Its government has absolutely no ability to determine what goes on within its borders, and the provinces make a lot of the decisions themselves. For this reason, massive fraud, defamation, false advertising etc is commonplace.))
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:44 pm

((OOC:
This may be of interest to Kenmoria only, sorry if I should have put it in TGs. Schools for the blind, at least the one I attended, make extensive use of pictures due to the number of partially sighted students many of whom find pictures easier to comprehend than text.))
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Postby Cosmosplosion » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:07 pm

OOC: I would like to personally thank two of my region mates, Akohos and Central Courelli, for helping me out with grammatical and formatting issues. I encourage everyone to take a second look at the proposal. The feedback I have received so far has been wonderful!
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Postby Cosmosplosion » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:40 pm

OOC: Hello, I intend to submit this resolution tomorrow evening if no more suggestions come in!
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Postby Kenmoria » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:29 am

(OOC: I suggest using [list] code to improve the formatting of the active clauses.)
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Postby Hatzisland » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:36 am

Cosmosplosion wrote:OOC: Hello, I intend to submit this resolution tomorrow evening if no more suggestions come in!


IC: You have my vote!

Edit:

OOC: No! There are about 15 proposals on the floor now, many of which have two days left until they time out. You should wait until then, so your proposal will appear at the top of the page. If it's buried at the bottom, it's odds of succeeding plummet.
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Asairia
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Postby Asairia » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:56 am

"The official Asairian delegation to the World Assembly has pledged its support to this proposal by approving it for consideration. We urge our fellow World Assembly delegates to do the same as this proposal offers a fitting solution to an issue thusfar unaddressed by this prestigious assembly."

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Postby Kowani » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:01 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:Youre in violation of many existing WA resolutions by not recognising minors

I don't think so. Lots of resolutions define minors as someone below the age of majority, which the Haven doesn't have.

Actually, no. You are still in violation of WA Regulations. Particularly, GAR 383,Clause 7:
Mandates that, for the purposes of clause 5, member states set a biologically appropriate age of consent which gives due regard to the typical age at which the physical and emotional development of individuals in their society provides them with the capabilities of granting genuine, informed consent to participation in sexual activities, and further mandates that there shall be no reference to the gender status or the sexual orientation of the participating individuals nor shall collective sexual activities be subcategorised in age of consent laws,
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Postby Cosmosplosion » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:02 am

Asairia wrote:"The official Asairian delegation to the World Assembly has pledged its support to this proposal by approving it for consideration. We urge our fellow World Assembly delegates to do the same as this proposal offers a fitting solution to an issue thusfar unaddressed by this prestigious assembly."

"The Cosmic Ambassador welcomes the support of the Asairians and urges fellow delegations to follow their lead."
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Postby Maowi » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:03 am

Kowani wrote:Actually, no. You are still in violation of WA Regulations. Particularly, GAR 383,Clause 7:
Mandates that, for the purposes of clause 5, member states set a biologically appropriate age of consent which gives due regard to the typical age at which the physical and emotional development of individuals in their society provides them with the capabilities of granting genuine, informed consent to participation in sexual activities, and further mandates that there shall be no reference to the gender status or the sexual orientation of the participating individuals nor shall collective sexual activities be subcategorised in age of consent laws,

An age of consent isn't necessarily an age of majority
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Postby Cosmosplosion » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:09 am

Maowi wrote:
Kowani wrote:Actually, no. You are still in violation of WA Regulations. Particularly, GAR 383,Clause 7:

An age of consent isn't necessarily an age of majority

Who knew age of consent was related to vaping.
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Postby Maowi » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:12 am

Cosmosplosion wrote:Who knew age of consent was related to vaping.

Message received :p
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Postby Araraukar » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:20 am

OOC: I would have suggested either not using list code or using it for all the clauses (now it looks like a coding error), and using numbers for the clauses, as well as some wording changes, but since you've already submitted it, nevermind.
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Postby Cosmosplosion » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:21 am

Araraukar wrote:OOC: I would have suggested either not using list code or using it for all the clauses (now it looks like a coding error), and using numbers for the clauses, as well as some wording changes, but since you've already submitted it, nevermind.

OOC - Totally missing how it looks like a coding error - I denoted the active clauses with bullet points.
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