[DEFEATED] Commend The North Pacific

[Armaros]

Ya know, raiding regions for practice is not uncommon. And about the "informed in advance": that's terrible OpSec, telling your target they're being targetted. This story makes no sense.

Probably. On the other hand, not wanting to commend someone who just attacked your region seems entirely reasonable.
At most it's the opposite (voting for despite that) that would be surprising and in need of a justification.

I never said it's not a good reasom to vote against when they raid your region, I said the story itself was weird. And no, voting for in spite of that if you agree with the reason to commend in the first place is justification enough.

Raiding for practice, should always be done appropriately, If this is true, which I deeply hope not, then this completely nullifies the commendation.

I’d like to see TNP come forward with their own explanation.

Wut. Afaik, the NPA has nowhere behaved inappropriately.

[Bycrest]

I vote against this commendation.

Recently, a faction of The North Pacific has made a grave transgression against my region by raiding it in hopes if would serve as "practice for defending a pile." This has lead to much confusion in the region of Winterfell and given me much unneeded stress in trying to get defenders to assist with this matter. As the delegate of the region, I was not informed ahead of time about this "operation" as they would call it and it took a full two days for anyone from TNP to contact me. In that time, my vice-delegate and I have tried recruiting other nations that aren't normally world assembly members to try to assist us with taking back our region. These nations were promptly kicked and banned, which lead to one The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord starting an investigation as to who raided my region and for what purpose. This lead to the region of Enadia falsely taking the credit for this raid, which is their only involvement in this case.

After more investigation from Swaglord and our allied region Forest, TNP's Minister of Defense finally reached out to me through telegram to explain the situation. Unfortunately, this does little to reverse the consequences of this raid. Sure, they may be able to put our regional information back to where it was, but there are actions on my end that now have to be reverse. The current delegate, who is a puppet of TNP's Home Affairs Minister, is currently calling him/herself the "Supreme Overlord" and has not apologized for his/her actions, even though the case has been more or less resolved. There is also the issue of this puppet openly mocking me after I made a statement reassure my fellow region-mates that we shouldn't have to worry about raiders.

This act alone, openly raiding a neutral and passive region for the sake of "practice" is a black mark on what I would assume to be a spotless record. Winterfell has had very little to no dealings with TNP in the past, to my knowledge, and now we will view them with contempt and mistrust. I will be making an announcement to the rest of my region that any and all world assembly members should vote against this commendation, as I know our allies in Forest are also changing their vote to against.

How horrifying.

Ya know, raiding regions for practice is not uncommon. And about the "informed in advance": that's terrible OpSec, telling your target they're being targetted. This story makes no sense.

While this story may make no sense, it is what happened. All one would have to do is check my region's world fact book and see.

[Kranostav]

Raiding for practice, should always be done appropriately, If this is true, which I deeply hope not, then this completely nullifies the commendation.

I’d like to see TNP come forward with their own explanation.

Define "appropriately" in this context. I am not the Minister of Defense and therefore cannot speak authoritatively on this issue, however the concept of raiding for practice is extremely common. This practice raising doesn't harm the host in anyway besides commandeering their WA delegate spot for a bit.

[Bycrest]

Raiding for practice, should always be done appropriately, If this is true, which I deeply hope not, then this completely nullifies the commendation.

I’d like to see TNP come forward with their own explanation.

Define "appropriately" in this context. I am not the Minister of Defense and therefore cannot speak authoritatively on this issue, however the concept of raiding for practice is extremely common. This practice raising doesn't harm the host in anyway besides commandeering their WA delegate spot for a bit.

While raiding for practice may be common, my region is somewhat isolated from most major events. We try to stay out of the R&D game and haven’t had any problems before this. Furthermore, if this situation was explained to me either before the raid took place ore immediately after, I would not have as much of a problem as I do now. Before the Minister of Defense from TNP contacted me, I was under the impression that this was an actual raid. Had I know this was “practice” I would have played along and acted like TNP came in and saved my region from raiders. Now it just looks like they were picking on a small and defenseless region for what has amounted to more trouble than it was worth.

[Battlion]

Raiding for practice, should always be done appropriately, If this is true, which I deeply hope not, then this completely nullifies the commendation.

I’d like to see TNP come forward with their own explanation.

Define "appropriately" in this context. I am not the Minister of Defense and therefore cannot speak authoritatively on this issue, however the concept of raiding for practice is extremely common. This practice raising doesn't harm the host in anyway besides commandeering their WA delegate spot for a bit.

Except, in this case it has harmed the host region and clearly TNP have failed somewhere in explaining this to the region. If it’s all good and practice then surely some form of communication should have been there?

The optics, in my opinion at least, like has been said above is that the TNP has selected a small defenceless region and just caused problems. I’d hope it’s something TNP takes seriously.

Edit: Looked a bit deeper, does seem that something has gone wrong with the people running the raid and the Minister of Defence has took responsibility for that - still one concern I’ve read and pretty much agree with (On the Forest’s RMB) is that it took third parties to chase up what was happening before the region was given proper information. Whilst raids don’t have to do that, as far as I’m aware in these “practices” TNP is meant to do that and that wasn’t done.

[Armaros]

Except, in this case it has harmed the host region

Citation needed.

and clearly TNP have failed somewhere in explaining this to the region.

Raiding a region suddenly needs an explanation? Of course, I don't know much about the NPA's laws, but still.

If it’s all good and practice then surely some form of communication should have been there?

Ehm... no?

The optics, in my opinion at least, like has been said above is that the TNP has selected a small defenceless region and just caused problems. I’d hope it’s something TNP takes seriously.

Not completely defenceless, and afaik the NPA did nothing irreversible/harmful.

Did I mention I'm against this commendation in it's current form, as well?

[Battlion]

By harm, I’m more thinking distress to region members than anything.

Yes, I do think when raiding a region for “practice” when you have rules in place set by your own regional governance structures to communicate with the target region clearly and in the case above this wasn’t really done well at all. When I called the region defenceless I was quoting the native from the region directly above me who had called it so because I agree with their perspective.

I was already opposed to the resolution, the incident that’s being mentioned does undermine the core premise of the commendation in my view.

As I said at the beginning, they’ve took some stands on GA resolutions I personally find hard to stomach coupled with the fact they’re a feeder region thus some of the arguments made about size etc I just found pointless.

[Unibot III]

I'd expected the following snarky tag and invasion to come from the Black Hawks, who have been condemned twice, not a commendation nominee.

Since our original WFE tag was a little unclear, here's a clearer one. If you have any questions, concerns, or requests, please contact Minister of Defense Darcania directly.

The North Pacific Army decided we needed some practice defending a pile, and when we saw this post we decided this region would be best for the sheer irony. You may occasionally see other NPA soldiers running lib attempts - all part of a little in-house competition we have going on.

For those concerned, we will restore this region to its original state as well as we can before leaving, and cause as little lasting damage as possible. We'll leave some time this weekend.

Remember to contact Minister Darcania if you have anything further to say.

All the native said was "Winterfell is an older region in NS and we fly under the radar for most raiders. We aren't going anywhere any time soon." This is the kind of flimsy justification ("it's actually the native's fault," / "for the lolz") that invaders like LWU and TBH would give for why they've invaded a particular small region.

If you need some "practice defending a pile", go practice on a Warzone. Or better yet, your own region. Not some small region you've chosen to mock.

[Kranostav]

I'd expected the following snarky tag and invasion to come from the Black Hawks, who have been condemned twice, not a commendation nominee.

Since our original WFE tag was a little unclear, here's a clearer one. If you have any questions, concerns, or requests, please contact Minister of Defense Darcania directly.

The North Pacific Army decided we needed some practice defending a pile, and when we saw this post we decided this region would be best for the sheer irony. You may occasionally see other NPA soldiers running lib attempts - all part of a little in-house competition we have going on.

For those concerned, we will restore this region to its original state as well as we can before leaving, and cause as little lasting damage as possible. We'll leave some time this weekend.

Remember to contact Minister Darcania if you have anything further to say.

All the native said was "Winterfell is an older region in NS and we fly under the radar for most raiders. We aren't going anywhere any time soon." This is the kind of flimsy justification ("it's actually the native's fault," / "for the lolz") that invaders like LWU and TBH would give for why they've invaded a particular small region.

If you need some "practice defending a pile", go practice on a Warzone. Or better yet, your own region. Not some small region you've chosen to mock.

Wait didn't you help author this
Where is the snark? And TBH or LWU would have probably followed with a refound or some more destructive actions, but hey go off lol.

And I wouldn't say anyone is mocking the region for existing, but for the reaction and expected explanation they want for a multi-day tag raid.

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

I'd expected the following snarky tag and invasion to come from the Black Hawks, who have been condemned twice, not a commendation nominee.




All the native said was "Winterfell is an older region in NS and we fly under the radar for most raiders. We aren't going anywhere any time soon." This is the kind of flimsy justification ("it's actually the native's fault," / "for the lolz") that invaders like LWU and TBH would give for why they've invaded a particular small region.

If you need some "practice defending a pile", go practice on a Warzone. Or better yet, your own region. Not some small region you've chosen to mock.

Wait didn't you help author this
Where is the snark? And TBH or LWU would have probably followed with a refound or some more destructive actions, but hey go off lol.

And I wouldn't say anyone is mocking the region for existing, but for the reaction and expected explanation they want for a multi-day tag raid.

Your assuming that everyone sees raiding as a normal, common action. A lot of people probably don't even know raiding exists I bet.

[Kranostav]

Wait didn't you help author this
Where is the snark? And TBH or LWU would have probably followed with a refound or some more destructive actions, but hey go off lol.

And I wouldn't say anyone is mocking the region for existing, but for the reaction and expected explanation they want for a multi-day tag raid.

Your assuming that everyone sees raiding as a normal, common action. A lot of people probably don't even know raiding exists I bet.

Sure, but the region has discussed raiding in their RMB previously, and are also old enough to understand it being a part of the game. So it seems like a stretch to say they didn't know it existed.

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

Your assuming that everyone sees raiding as a normal, common action. A lot of people probably don't even know raiding exists I bet.

Sure, but the region has discussed raiding in their RMB previously, and are also old enough to understand it being a part of the game. So it seems like a stretch to say they didn't know it existed.

Fair enough. Although, on another note, if y'all wanted to practice defending piles, you could have made a region specifically to do so. Raiding an active region and screwing up the WFE seems fairly pointless.

[Jar Wattinree]

Raiding a fash region would be good practice.

[Lord Dominator]

Where is the snark? And TBH or LWU would have probably followed with a refound or some more destructive actions

We don't honestly go for refounds all that often, and I'm not sure LWU ever does

[Slackertown]

Raiding a fash region would be good practice.

"I find it funny that you are comfortable making this blanket statement about fascist nations, yet my people are healthier than yours, my government is far less corrupt than yours, any my citizens are frankly nicer than yours."

Sincerely,
The Lord-Prince of Slackertown

[Kranostav]

Raiding a fash region would be good practice.

"I find it funny that you are comfortable making this blanket statement about fascist nations, yet my people are healthier than yours, my government is far less corrupt than yours, any my citizens are frankly nicer than yours."

Sincerely,
The Lord-Prince of Slackertown

#nsstatsarefakenews

Where is the snark? And TBH or LWU would have probably followed with a refound or some more destructive actions

We don't honestly go for refounds all that often, and I'm not sure LWU ever does

Fair

Sure, but the region has discussed raiding in their RMB previously, and are also old enough to understand it being a part of the game. So it seems like a stretch to say they didn't know it existed.

Fair enough. Although, on another note, if y'all wanted to practice defending piles, you could have made a region specifically to do so. Raiding an active region and screwing up the WFE seems fairly pointless.

Yeah sure, but how is an extended tag raid that harmful. Plus the WFE and ROs are restored per public NPA policy if I am not mistaken.

[Elyreia]

Raiding a fash region would be good practice.

"I find it funny that you are comfortable making this blanket statement about fascist nations, yet my people are healthier than yours, my government is far less corrupt than yours, any my citizens are frankly nicer than yours."

Sincerely,
The Lord-Prince of Slackertown

I do believe the right to blanket statements on X nations can all be justified, darling.

According to my dear cousin, Princess Kaerys the Second, Elyreia will be voting against the current legislation, as the lenton deadlocked.

[New Bremerton]

These are some pretty serious allegations about the NPA's interregional conduct. It sounds like they screwed up a couple of things. I always thought that raiding "fr th lulz" is not the TNP way.

Changing my vote to ABSTAIN.

[Bycrest]

"I find it funny that you are comfortable making this blanket statement about fascist nations, yet my people are healthier than yours, my government is far less corrupt than yours, any my citizens are frankly nicer than yours."

Sincerely,
The Lord-Prince of Slackertown

#nsstatsarefakenews

We don't honestly go for refounds all that often, and I'm not sure LWU ever does

Fair

Fair enough. Although, on another note, if y'all wanted to practice defending piles, you could have made a region specifically to do so. Raiding an active region and screwing up the WFE seems fairly pointless.

Yeah sure, but how is an extended tag raid that harmful. Plus the WFE and ROs are restored per public NPA policy if I am not mistaken.

Not all the Regional Officers were restored. The Security Officer is still out of power because that's a position that requires time as Delegate to appoint. This leaves us in the vulnerable state of having only one nation in control of the border. We also had CTE officers from allied embassies as an honorary position, which we kept more for recognition of our alliance more than anything else. Finally, the region's ban list was wiped clean, which also cleared off nations that were banned previous to this event.

[Kranostav]

#nsstatsarefakenews
Fair

Yeah sure, but how is an extended tag raid that harmful. Plus the WFE and ROs are restored per public NPA policy if I am not mistaken.

Not all the Regional Officers were restored. The Security Officer is still out of power because that's a position that requires time as Delegate to appoint. This leaves us in the vulnerable state of having only one nation in control of the border. We also had CTE officers from allied embassies as an honorary position, which we kept more for recognition of our alliance more than anything else. Finally, the region's ban list was wiped clean, which also cleared off nations that were banned previous to this event.

I mean as for security you didn't exactly have much to begin with. But okay, and it appears you were just fenda-ed out so it seems like people are taking care of you for now. And I guess this is just a personal thing but I always kept an offline copy of banlist, embassy list, tags, wfe, and other 'perishable' items in the occasion of a raid back when I UCRed. The rest I could probably retort but again Im not in a position to reveal OPSEC items or make any authoritative statements. I hear we have a Minister of Defense for that.

[Bycrest]

Not all the Regional Officers were restored. The Security Officer is still out of power because that's a position that requires time as Delegate to appoint. This leaves us in the vulnerable state of having only one nation in control of the border. We also had CTE officers from allied embassies as an honorary position, which we kept more for recognition of our alliance more than anything else. Finally, the region's ban list was wiped clean, which also cleared off nations that were banned previous to this event.

I mean as for security you didn't exactly have much to begin with. But okay, and it appears you were just fenda-ed out so it seems like people are taking care of you for now. And I guess this is just a personal thing but I always kept an offline copy of banlist, embassy list, tags, wfe, and other 'perishable' items in the occasion of a raid back when I UCRed. The rest I could probably retort but again Im not in a position to reveal OPSEC items or make any authoritative statements. I hear we have a Minister of Defense for that.

To be fair, I also never expected a situation like this to occur, I didn't even know about "practice raids" before this. If they were actual raiders, the last thing I would be worried about is a ban list. And sure we never had much for defense, but we did have a sense of invisibility. I'm sure I'll be able to replicate the aesthetics, it's just something I shouldn't have to do after interacting with protectors.

[Armaros]

I'd expected the following snarky tag and invasion to come from the Black Hawks, who have been condemned twice, not a commendation nominee.

Oh noes, an independent region doing something else then defending those poor natives! How horrifying!

All the native said was "Winterfell is an older region in NS and we fly under the radar for most raiders. We aren't going anywhere any time soon." This is the kind of flimsy justification ("it's actually the native's fault," / "for the lolz") that invaders like LWU and TBH would give for why they've invaded a particular small region.

Raiders... don't really give justifications why they invade something. Making such a comment, however does make your region more likely to be raided just for the irony.

If you need some "practice defending a pile", go practice on a Warzone. Or better yet, your own region. Not some small region you've chosen to mock.

As a sovereign military... that's none of your bussines, what thry do or dom't.

Also Uni, didn't you help write this?

[Tim Stark]

Raiding a fash region would be good practice.

"I find it funny that you are comfortable making this blanket statement about fascist nations, yet my people are healthier than yours, my government is far less corrupt than yours, any my citizens are frankly nicer than yours."

Sincerely,
The Lord-Prince of Slackertown

I think you're going to struggle finding too many GPers who give too much of a care about what your nation's stats are like. We ain't RPers, mate.

[Aclion]

"I find it funny that you are comfortable making this blanket statement about fascist nations, yet my people are healthier than yours, my government is far less corrupt than yours, any my citizens are frankly nicer than yours."

Sincerely,
The Lord-Prince of Slackertown

I think you're going to struggle finding too many GPers who give too much of a care about what your nation's stats are like. We ain't RPers, mate.

stats are gp though >.>?

[Malphe]

I think you're going to struggle finding too many GPers who give too much of a care about what your nation's stats are like. We ain't RPers, mate.

stats are gp though >.>?

It's not usually a concern for gamplayers, even if you could define it as being part of GP.