Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:15 pm
THX1138 wrote:the obvious need to repeal the target before that patch to GAR#035 can be legally created.
OOC: You don't need to repeal anything to legislate on church inequality.
Because sometimes even national leaders just want to hang out
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THX1138 wrote:the obvious need to repeal the target before that patch to GAR#035 can be legally created.
Arasi Luvasa wrote:Repealing it won't remove that. If it passes, that precedent stays in place even if the resolution is repealed (It stays on the books as well, just crossed out)
THX1138 wrote:Arasi Luvasa wrote:Repealing it won't remove that. If it passes, that precedent stays in place even if the resolution is repealed (It stays on the books as well, just crossed out)
Until this is repealed, any attempt to repair GAR#035 will be HM. A simple clause in that repair nullifying precedent set by any previously repealed law, closes that loop.
Aexnidaral wrote:Europeia will be opposing this vociferously.
Sheitstormia wrote:To add, this legislation also does not contain any restrictions on the age of the potential spouse. It opens up so many loopholes on the topic of pedophilia, which I personally stand firmly against.
By the wording of the legislation you are compelled to sanction any organization that discriminates based on sexuality or other attributes, and then it lists AGE as an example of said attributes. Which means that if someone identifies as the sexuality of "pedosexual" it now requires the state to sanction itself as it is, in some cases, required to prosecute pedophiles. This legislation now protects these sexual predators indirectly and can contradict with previously passed legislature on a national level.
Emphasis mine. This shows that you can set age limits; they just have to apply to everyone.MANDATES that every member nation must grant exactly the same rights, powers, permissions and services to individuals of all sexualities and genders, subject to exactly the same qualifying conditions. Such conditions may not include the sexuality or gender of the individual(s) concerned.
REQUIRES all member nations which allow civil marriages between individuals of a certain sexuality or gender to allow civil marriages between individuals of all sexualities and genders, subject to previously passed extant World Assembly resolutions.
Sheitstormia wrote:To add, this legislation also does not contain any restrictions on the age of the potential spouse. It opens up so many loopholes on the topic of pedophilia, which I personally stand firmly against.
By the wording of the legislation you are compelled to sanction any organization that discriminates based on sexuality or other attributes, and then it lists AGE as an example of said attributes. Which means that if someone identifies as the sexuality of "pedosexual" it now requires the state to sanction itself as it is, in some cases, required to prosecute pedophiles. This legislation now protects these sexual predators indirectly and can contradict with previously passed legislature o9n a national level.
OOC: That's right.[/one-sixth of GenSec].The New Nordic Union wrote:Sheitstormia wrote:To add, this legislation also does not contain any restrictions on the age of the potential spouse. It opens up so many loopholes on the topic of pedophilia, which I personally stand firmly against.
By the wording of the legislation you are compelled to sanction any organization that discriminates based on sexuality or other attributes, and then it lists AGE as an example of said attributes. Which means that if someone identifies as the sexuality of "pedosexual" it now requires the state to sanction itself as it is, in some cases, required to prosecute pedophiles. This legislation now protects these sexual predators indirectly and can contradict with previously passed legislature on a national level.
OOC:
No, it does not.Emphasis mine. This shows that you can set age limits; they just have to apply to everyone.MANDATES that every member nation must grant exactly the same rights, powers, permissions and services to individuals of all sexualities and genders, subject to exactly the same qualifying conditions. Such conditions may not include the sexuality or gender of the individual(s) concerned.
Butwan wrote:IC: The Republic of Butwan shall fully support this move to repeal this one-sided law.
OOC: Fairly new to the whole RP in this game. But, I can't get over how some of the resolutions here discriminates or totally denies the RP on a nation's policy gathered through issue-answering. For example, my nation has the Permanent Marriage Policy where it makes all divorce illegal. So section 1.d. of DRSGM breaks that policy. Are we really going to implement a resolution that would harm autonomy of a nation to create it's own laws and policies.
Butwan wrote:IC: The Republic of Butwan shall fully support this move to repeal this one-sided law.
OOC: Fairly new to the whole RP in this game. But, I can't get over how some of the resolutions here discriminates or totally denies the RP on a nation's policy gathered through issue-answering. For example, my nation has the Permanent Marriage Policy where it makes all divorce illegal. So section 1.d. of DRSGM breaks that policy. Are we really going to implement a resolution that would harm autonomy of a nation to create it's own laws and policies.
MANDATES that all member nations must allow each of their citizens to choose or change their own gender, and that member nations must officially recognise and accept the individual's chosen gender.
CLARIFIES that religious organizations and their internal discrimination do not fall under this resolution, and should be addressed by future legislation.
Firstaria wrote:" To be frankly honest, although we do not stay under the WA, some of our sister nations are and so we must raise some objections that may help this repeal.MANDATES that all member nations must allow each of their citizens to choose or change their own gender, and that member nations must officially recognise and accept the individual's chosen gender.
Is in this point any limitation to the gender chosen? Is the individual pretty much to decide a gender exist? Couldn't this be used in order to create "nominative" problems like calling your gender "not-x" or "superior-than-x" to cause the same discrimination that this law is trying to avoid?
Firstaria wrote:CLARIFIES that religious organizations and their internal discrimination do not fall under this resolution, and should be addressed by future legislation.
We also find the term "should" a grossly oversight. This resolution is in some sort trying to ask the WA to address something the WA may not want to address or has already addressed. No resolution should do such thing in our opinion. "
THX1138 wrote:A revised version of this repeal has been submitted for review and to ensure legality.
Wallenburg wrote:Why are you in such a rush?