NATION

PASSWORD

PASSED: Humanitarian Aid Coordination

A carefully preserved record of the most notable World Assembly debates.

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
Mikertaz Kein
Diplomat
 
Posts: 568
Founded: Jun 07, 2009
Ex-Nation

Re: AT VOTE: Humanitarian Aid Coordination (Official Thread)

Postby Mikertaz Kein » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:51 pm

Think of it as you will, there is still the matter of majority. If these smaller nations really do not want help, and if they really feel the way they say they do, I cannot help but question their place in the WA to begin with. If it wasn't for the many aid efforts of those around my nation, we would surely have been destroyed in the Ganzopean war, the reason my country is still very weak.

If things really do turn out to be like 7 has stated, then we can always still repeal that resolution. I for one, will place 50% of my PIT's for aid efforts and use 10% of my tax income to stockpile non-perishables and other necessities in disaster so that I may help. And who knows, if my country ever goes through a disaster again, I will have my own aid supplies ready!


We of the small nation of Mikertaz Kein remain for this resolution. I cannot find anything against small countries in either the body or what the body implies.

--------------------------------
The MK Diplomacy and Review Board, Under Authorization from Mira

User avatar
Sadiston
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 15
Founded: Jun 25, 2009
Ex-Nation

Re: AT VOTE: Humanitarian Aid Coordination (Official Thread)

Postby Sadiston » Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:38 am

Wait, wait, this resolution includes none WA members saying that they will receive supplies. Well, none WA members don't have representation here, they have no vote. The fact is some nations don't wish to receive "help" as we saw with some other nations, they don't want outsiders. Now you may say we won't force it on them, but honestly what is considered forcing? The WA could bother, and nag the nation until it is "compliant" also the nation will have a huge burden pressed upon them. If the nation refuses it will put them in bad standing with its people and the WA. A nation should not have to deal with their beliefs being compromised to stay in good standing with other nations.

User avatar
Charlotte Ryberg
The Muse of the Westcountry
 
Posts: 15007
Founded: Mar 14, 2007
Civil Rights Lovefest

Re: AT VOTE: Humanitarian Aid Coordination (Official Thread)

Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:50 am

Sadiston wrote:Wait, wait, this resolution includes none WA members saying that they will receive supplies. Well, none WA members don't have representation here, they have no vote. The fact is some nations don't wish to receive "help" as we saw with some other nations, they don't want outsiders. Now you may say we won't force it on them, but honestly what is considered forcing? The WA could bother, and nag the nation until it is "compliant" also the nation will have a huge burden pressed upon them. If the nation refuses it will put them in bad standing with its people and the WA. A nation should not have to deal with their beliefs being compromised to stay in good standing with other nations.

Honoured ambassador, the World Assembly does not have jurisdiction over non-member states. The resolution is describing in terms of member states, although member states are encouraged to help non-member states, but since the WA has no jurisdiction over non-member states, it is up to the member states whether to do so. Also remember that member nations must abide by WA rules. Thank you...

(The Presiding Officer moonwalks to the self-humming of Rock With You.)

Oh, not again, honoured Presiding Officer.

User avatar
Sadiston
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 15
Founded: Jun 25, 2009
Ex-Nation

Re: AT VOTE: Humanitarian Aid Coordination (Official Thread)

Postby Sadiston » Sun Jun 28, 2009 2:25 am

Sadiston is willing to admit when it is wrong. Sadiston changes its vote to yes, and hope all nations do the same. Sadiston will always learn from its mistakes. Sadiston apologizes for any, and all implications that this resolution was corrupt, or that its supporters we're corrupt. Sadiston Thanks every nation who took the time to point out everything, and clear up all misconceptions.

User avatar
Wencee
Bureaucrat
 
Posts: 48
Founded: Jan 25, 2008
Ex-Nation

Re: AT VOTE: Humanitarian Aid Coordination (Official Thread)

Postby Wencee » Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:41 am

Voting in favor.
Myers-Briggs Type: INFJ
libertà e onore fino alla morte

User avatar
The Land of 7
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 17
Founded: Jun 23, 2009
Ex-Nation

Re: AT VOTE: Humanitarian Aid Coordination (Official Thread)

Postby The Land of 7 » Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:59 am

Al-Aqar wrote:
The Land of 7 wrote:4% is a large increase to a small region of poor people. 4% increase on $100 is 40. Which is $40 less to the people plus the normal tax of x amount


I cannot help but wonder, Ambassador, if this is the source of your misconceptions about this Proposal. Four percent of one hundred dollars is four dollars. Forty dollars is forty percent of one hundred.

I am somewhat troubled by your allegation that larger nations will oppress smaller ones through this act; I am unable to see how another nation has any control over our nation's relief program.

Sincerely,



Sorry I meant $1000. It was a typo.


The larger nations will throw their weight at the smaller nations if we do not follow as they do. This has happened many a time from what I have seen

User avatar
The Land of 7
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 17
Founded: Jun 23, 2009
Ex-Nation

Re: AT VOTE: Humanitarian Aid Coordination (Official Thread)

Postby The Land of 7 » Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:02 am

Charlotte Ryberg wrote:
Sadiston wrote:Wait, wait, this resolution includes none WA members saying that they will receive supplies. Well, none WA members don't have representation here, they have no vote. The fact is some nations don't wish to receive "help" as we saw with some other nations, they don't want outsiders. Now you may say we won't force it on them, but honestly what is considered forcing? The WA could bother, and nag the nation until it is "compliant" also the nation will have a huge burden pressed upon them. If the nation refuses it will put them in bad standing with its people and the WA. A nation should not have to deal with their beliefs being compromised to stay in good standing with other nations.

Honoured ambassador, the World Assembly does not have jurisdiction over non-member states. The resolution is describing in terms of member states, although member states are encouraged to help non-member states, but since the WA has no jurisdiction over non-member states, it is up to the member states whether to do so. Also remember that member nations must abide by WA rules. Thank you...

(The Presiding Officer moonwalks to the self-humming of Rock With You.)

Oh, not again, honoured Presiding Officer.






The WA may not have jurisdiction over non WA nations but the law has jurisdiction over WA nations.


SO if the law passed says we have to help non WA states we are obligated to do so.

AND seeing no specifics this will most definitely happen

User avatar
Charlotte Ryberg
The Muse of the Westcountry
 
Posts: 15007
Founded: Mar 14, 2007
Civil Rights Lovefest

Re: AT VOTE: Humanitarian Aid Coordination (Official Thread)

Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:29 am

The Land of 7 wrote:The WA may not have jurisdiction over non WA nations but the law has jurisdiction over WA nations.

SO if the law passed says we have to help non WA states we are obligated to do so.

AND seeing no specifics this will most definitely happen

No honoured ambassador to the Land of 7, "URGES" is not an mandate clause but merely an encouragement to help each other: however encouragement clauses can be numbered as you can see with WA Resolution #25, WA Counterterrorism Act by The Altan Steppes...

(The Presiding Officer is singing and dancing MJ's songs with the Reading Clerk, while passing Sarah Harper.)

...I hope you're listening to what I told you earlier, honoured Presiding Officer and now the Reading Clerk. There's already place where you can moonwalk...

User avatar
Erastide
Retired Moderator
 
Posts: 1299
Founded: Antiquity
Democratic Socialists

Re: AT VOTE: Humanitarian Aid Coordination (Official Thread)

Postby Erastide » Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:36 am

Sadiston wrote:Sadiston withdraws argument.

Sadiston, it's generally not good form to edit out your entire post, especially when people have already quoted you and argued against it. Feel free to post that you've changed your mind or something, but editing everything to this makes it look just like you're spamming.

User avatar
The Land of 7
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 17
Founded: Jun 23, 2009
Ex-Nation

Re: AT VOTE: Humanitarian Aid Coordination (Official Thread)

Postby The Land of 7 » Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:04 pm

Charlotte Ryberg wrote:
The Land of 7 wrote:The WA may not have jurisdiction over non WA nations but the law has jurisdiction over WA nations.

SO if the law passed says we have to help non WA states we are obligated to do so.

AND seeing no specifics this will most definitely happen

No honoured ambassador to the Land of 7, "URGES" is not an mandate clause but merely an encouragement to help each other: however encouragement clauses can be numbered as you can see with WA Resolution #25, WA Counterterrorism Act by The Altan Steppes...

(The Presiding Officer is singing and dancing MJ's songs with the Reading Clerk, while passing Sarah Harper.)

...I hope you're listening to what I told you earlier, honoured Presiding Officer and now the Reading Clerk. There's already place where you can moonwalk...




Urge: the fast movement and obligation to pressure (AH Dictionary)
By this definition it will be the obligation to pressure or URGE the smaller nations that are not complying, because of lack of funds, will be constantly nagged, fought, and harassed.

As you said look at the Counterterrorism Act... it fits





As you can see by the votes my side has lost so I see no point in fighting anymore of this

User avatar
Charlotte Ryberg
The Muse of the Westcountry
 
Posts: 15007
Founded: Mar 14, 2007
Civil Rights Lovefest

Epilogue

Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:00 am

The Land of 7 wrote:Urge: the fast movement and obligation to pressure (AH Dictionary)
By this definition it will be the obligation to pressure or URGE the smaller nations that are not complying, because of lack of funds, will be constantly nagged, fought, and harassed.

As you said look at the Counterterrorism Act... it fits

As you can see by the votes my side has lost so I see no point in fighting anymore of this


Again, honoured ambassador, the member state's decision is final...

(The Presiding Officer is still singing and dancing MJ's songs albeit without the Reading Clerk)

That's it, Presiding Officer... you're going to get it now...
Last edited by Charlotte Ryberg on Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:59 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Goobergunchia
Game Moderator
 
Posts: 2376
Founded: Antiquity
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Re: AT VOTE: Humanitarian Aid Coordination (Official Thread)

Postby Goobergunchia » Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:28 pm

The PRESIDING OFFICER: For no mere mortal can resist
The evil of the thriller.

(Disruption in the chamber.)

Mr. Funkel (GOOBERGUNCHIA): There are more pies where that came from!

The PRESIDING OFFICER: Ahem. It having attained to the appropriate hour on the twenty-nineth day of June, 2009, voting is now closed on the resolution currently at vote. The Clerk will designate the resolution.

The READING CLERK: World Assembly Resolution #53. Humanitarian Aid Coordination, a resolution to significantly reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare, proposed by the Mind of Charlotte Ryberg.

The PRESIDING OFFICER: The decision of the United Nations has been rendered thusly: the General Assembly resolution Humanitarian Aid Coordination was passed 3,020 votes to 1,036, and implemented in all WA member nations. The member states of the World Assembly will be immediately informed of the outcome of this vote.
(+5175 posts from mostly pre-Jolt)
Making NationStates a different place since 17 May 2003.
ADN Advisor (Ret.)
Nasicournian Officer
Citizen of the Rejected Realms
Discord: Goobergunch#2417
Ideological Bulwark #16
Sponsor, HR#22, SC#4
Rules: GA SC
NS Game Moderator
For your forum moderation needs: The Moderation Forum
For your in-game moderation needs: The Getting Help Page
What are the rules? See the OSRS.
Who are the mods, anyway?

User avatar
Charlotte Ryberg
The Muse of the Westcountry
 
Posts: 15007
Founded: Mar 14, 2007
Civil Rights Lovefest

Re: AT VOTE: Humanitarian Aid Coordination (Official Thread)

Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:59 pm

Ms. SARAH HARPER: Okay, just this once, honoured Presiding Officer, let's do it once more, if you please:

(Music to the tune of Michael Jackson - Rock With You)

The PRESIDING OFFICER: Sarah, Close Your Eyes, Let That Resolution Get It for You,
You've Fought It Hard, There Ain't Nothin' Your Rivals Can Do,
Relax Your Mind, Lay Back And Groove With Us,
You Got To Feel That Fame, And We Can Ride The Boogie,
Share That Beat Of Love

READING CLERK: I Wanna Vote With You (All Night)
Support You Into Day (Sunlight)
I Wanna Vote With You (All Night)
We're Gonna Vote The Night Away

The PRESIDING OFFICER: Out On The Floor, There Ain't Nobody There But Us,
Sarah, When You Dance, There's A Magic That Has Been Passed,
Just Take It Slow, 'Cause We Got So Far To Go,
You Got To Feel That Fame, And We Can Ride The Boogie,
Share That Beat Of Love

READING CLERK: I Wanna Vote With You (All Night)
Support You Into Day (Sunlight)
I Wanna Vote With You (All Night)
We're Gonna Vote The Night Away

Ms. SARAH HARPER: And When The Time Runs Out And The Resolution Passes (Yeah)
You Know That The World Survives... So We Can Rock Forever, On

(Refrain with Ms. Sarah Harper Moonwalking)
ALL: I Wanna Rock With You, I Wanna Groove With You
(Refrain with vice Delegate to Charlotte Ryberg Neda Ackermann dancing)
ALL: I Wanna Rock With You, I Wanna Groove With You

The PRESIDING OFFICER: I Wanna Rock (All Night) With You Sarah (Sunlight)
Rock With You, Rock With You Sarah (Yeah)
(All Night)
Dance The Night Away

The PRESIDING OFFICER: I Wanna Rock With You (Yeah) (All Night)
Rock You Into Day (Sunlight)
I Wanna Rock With You (All Night) Rock The Night Away Feel The Heat Feel The Beat Rock You Into Day (Sunlight)
I Wanna Rock - Rock The Night Away...


Ms. SARAH HHARPER: The presiding officer certainly can't resist the temptation of Jacko. :p I'd like to thank everyone who has supported our resolution and we hope to see what we can do to repeal International Salvage Laws, once the Presiding Officer wears himself out of the dancing...
Last edited by Charlotte Ryberg on Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:00 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Super-Chechnya
Secretary
 
Posts: 28
Founded: Mar 26, 2007
Ex-Nation

Re: Passed as WA #53: Humanitarian Aid Coordination

Postby Super-Chechnya » Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:14 am

A very moving debate. Congratulations to Charlotte Ryberg on the passing of this resolution at such a difficult time. :clap:

Previous

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to WA Archives

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users

Advertisement

Remove ads