[DEFEATED] Repeal: Commend Imperium Anglorum

[The New California Republic]

So, as a relative newcomer you're working from a position of relative ignorance, casting vague aand unsupported aspersions that you can not back up and refusing to really clarify your position on anything much. How very brave of you.

To be fair I have consistently seen that it tends to be the relative newcomers who lean towards wanting to set the World Assembly to rights, and anyone who gets in the way of that crusade gets shat on.

[Kranostav]

I feel like there absolutely is a WA elite, and I'd like to figure out how to be a part of it.

Join TNP World Assembly Affairs, we can remove your lemmings filth right quick

[Caracasus]

So, as a relative newcomer you're working from a position of relative ignorance, casting vague aand unsupported aspersions that you can not back up and refusing to really clarify your position on anything much. How very brave of you.

To be fair I have consistently seen that it tends to be the relative newcomers who lean towards wanting to set the World Assembly to rights, and anyone who gets in the way of that crusade gets shat on.

Yeah but let's not kid ourselves. This isn't actually a 'relative newcomer', it's someone's puppet.

[The New California Republic]

To be fair I have consistently seen that it tends to be the relative newcomers who lean towards wanting to set the World Assembly to rights, and anyone who gets in the way of that crusade gets shat on.

Yeah but let's not kid ourselves. This isn't actually a 'relative newcomer', it's someone's puppet.

Even their regional delegate New Excalibus has voted against it, so I think that the "Councillor of Defense and Warfare" is breaking ranks a bit.

[Rughzhenhaide]

Yes. In his place, I wouldn't waste my time abusing the WA for no reason.

"Abusing the WA".

Because it is.

Better late than never.

The badge hunting accusation is clearly just some filler thrown in to justify an already threadbare repeal.

It's an attempt at guessing his motivation for posting really bad proposals.
"threadbare repeal" HAHAHAHAHAH, that's so rich coming from someone who defends a resolution that consisted of one line of text.

I could say the same to you. Also, you are heavily biased. I am a newcomer to NS politics.

Dunno where you are getting the "biased" thing from in this context, but whatever.

The contents and tone of your posts?

So those few mistakes are worth dismissing years of hard work over? Really?

They aren't few. And yes.

So, as a relative newcomer you're working from a position of relative ignorance, casting vague and unsupported aspersions that you can not back up and refusing to really clarify your position on anything much.

So you, as a long-timer working from a position of complete understanding of NS, are refusing to acknowledge the obvious problems that come with IA's proposals?

refusing to really clarify your position on anything much

When did I refuse? And what did I not make clear?

How very brave of you.

Someone has to do it.

Yeah but let's not kid ourselves. This isn't actually a 'relative newcomer', it's someone's puppet.

Someone disagrees with me so let me discredit him without providing any proof. Because echo chambers are so much fun.

Even their regional delegate New Excalibus has voted against it, so I think that the "Councillor of Defense and Warfare" is breaking ranks a bit.

I see that voting according to your own opinion rather than following the mass of lemmings is frowned upon here. Also, echo chambers.

[Caracasus]

"Abusing the WA".

Because it is.

The badge hunting accusation is clearly just some filler thrown in to justify an already threadbare repeal.

It's an attempt at guessing his motivation for posting really bad proposals.
"threadbare repeal" HAHAHAHAHAH, that's so rich coming from someone who defends a resolution that consisted of one line of text.

Dunno where you are getting the "biased" thing from in this context, but whatever.

The contents and tone of your posts?

So those few mistakes are worth dismissing years of hard work over? Really?

They aren't few. And yes.

So, as a relative newcomer you're working from a position of relative ignorance, casting vague and unsupported aspersions that you can not back up and refusing to really clarify your position on anything much.

So you, as a long-timer working from a position of complete understanding of NS, are refusing to acknowledge the obvious problems that come with IA's proposals?

refusing to really clarify your position on anything much

When did I refuse? And what did I not make clear?

How very brave of you.

Someone has to do it.

Yeah but let's not kid ourselves. This isn't actually a 'relative newcomer', it's someone's puppet.

Someone disagrees with me so let me discredit him without providing any proof. Because echo chambers are so much fun.

Even their regional delegate New Excalibus has voted against it, so I think that the "Councillor of Defense and Warfare" is breaking ranks a bit.

I see that voting according to your own opinion rather than following the mass of lemmings is frowned upon here. Also, echo chambers.

Right then, okay you may not be a puppet. Let's cut through the bullshit. Why exactly do you feel IA deserves to have their commendation revoked?

[The New California Republic]

"Abusing the WA".

Because it is.

I don't see how, but alright.

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The badge hunting accusation is clearly just some filler thrown in to justify an already threadbare repeal.

It's an attempt at guessing his motivation for posting really bad proposals.
"threadbare repeal" HAHAHAHAHAH, that's so rich coming from someone who defends a resolution that consisted of one line of text.

Ignoring all his other WA work outside of authorship I see.

Repeals of commends and GA Resolutions need a lot more substance to them.

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Dunno where you are getting the "biased" thing from in this context, but whatever.

The contents and tone of your posts?

Not in the context of that quote you referenced.

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So those few mistakes are worth dismissing years of hard work over? Really?

They aren't few. And yes.

They are few. And no.

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Even their regional delegate New Excalibus has voted against it, so I think that the "Councillor of Defense and Warfare" is breaking ranks a bit.

I see that voting according to your own opinion rather than following the mass of lemmings is frowned upon here.

So now you are calling your regional delegate a lemming? That's not very nice.

[Rughzhenhaide]

Right then, okay you may not be a puppet.

WOW, what an U-turn!

Let's cut through the bullshit. Why exactly do you feel IA deserves to have their commendation revoked?

Like, literally read the repeal.
"Calling into question, in fact, the very sincerity of I.A.’s WA operations, which, though lauded by SCR#223, have of late caused mass controversy and disharmony among member nations of this WA,
Noting that, for example, I.A., along with a collective of other WA Delegates, consciously instigates and perpetuates the lemming effect during WA votes; that is, dishonorably dumping a large number of votes at the onset of the ballot, creating a majority for member nations to align with
Frustrated that some of I.A.’s more recent General Assembly resolutions, such as and GAR#443 and GAR#452, are, put simply, seemingly incomprehensible to the vast majority of member nations,
Equally annoyed that I.A. would disrespect this WA by proposing vague, quasi-sarcastic resolutions such as "Debtor Voting Rights" (which is, at the time of this condemnation's writing, at vote),
Furthermore, alarmed that SCR#223 would falsify the import of the legislation I.A. repealed to mislead this WA:
GAR#329 did not “[permit] national sub-groups to disregard and neglect nationwide laws”;
GAR#350 did not “[stop] the World Assembly from passing any laws;” and
GAR#396 did not “[slow] down the Internet;”

I don't see how, but alright.

You should sharpen up on reading with comprehension.

Repeals of commends and GA Resolutions need a lot more substance to them

I dare disagree. IA's latest resolution lacked it and yet it passed.

Not in the context of that quote you referenced.

It was a reply, please read the earlier posts. Also, at least try to comprehend my points.

They are few. And no.

Read my reply to Caracasus. There is a bunch of them.

So now you are calling your regional delegate a lemming? That's not very nice.

Not exactly. He could have his own opinion on the matter and not be following the majority. I am calling that all the people who follow the majority - but of course, YOU are always right and nobody should ever put it into question, especially a newcomer like me (and just recently a puppet). Stop this charade, stop looking down at me and provide real arguments. If you do not, I won't reply.

[United Republic Empire]

So then do you think IA is only in it for the badges?

Yes. In his place, I wouldn't waste my time abusing the WA for no reason.

The hoarding argument is entirely redundant anyway. The argument should have been made years ago, rather than at this point when it is just being used as an excuse to attack IA.

Better late than never. You should read up on "cold cases".

The hypocrisy that you are displaying here is so fugly that it has inverted in on itself and turned beautiful. Kudos I guess.

I could say the same to you. Also, you are heavily biased. I am a newcomer to NS politics.

Necessary, as the formatting of the post for the image was going to look a bit strange with the other text around it.

Use spoilers.

His consistent and long-term positive engagement with the WA both gameside and forumside says otherwise.

Consistent, so far, yes. Positive? I could definitely polemize. His latest proposals introduced at least a few legal loopholes.

Well yeah, exactly. There's the support of newcomers, maintaining WA archive threads, creating offsite databases for anyone to use...
All that helping the community stuff that helps everyone in real, tangiable ways. You know, the sort of stuff that the author of this resolution is likely not even aware of.

At the moment we are talking about GAR#443 and GAR#452, his grossly misdesigned proposals and not community resources - he doesn't get badges he does not deserve for those.

Hey Rughzhenhaide - spoilered the quote to save room - don't let them get you riled up with the edgy teen attitude (which shows when they put rolls eyes smiley in all their posts), Just block the person so you don't have to read their flaming comments that cause a thread jacking by pointless arguing. Basically agree to disagree as you can not change their minds and just keep to the topic at hand. They do this to anyone that they don't agree with and try their best to get you in trouble. Just some heads up and advice bud.

[Wallenburg]

Yes. In his place, I wouldn't waste my time abusing the WA for no reason.
Better late than never. You should read up on "cold cases".

I could say the same to you. Also, you are heavily biased. I am a newcomer to NS politics.

Use spoilers.

Consistent, so far, yes. Positive? I could definitely polemize. His latest proposals introduced at least a few legal loopholes.

At the moment we are talking about GAR#443 and GAR#452, his grossly misdesigned proposals and not community resources - he doesn't get badges he does not deserve for those.

Hey Rughzhenhaide - spoilered the quote to save room - don't let them get you riled up with the edgy teen attitude (which shows when they put rolls eyes smiley in all their posts), Just block the person so you don't have to read their flaming comments that cause a thread jacking by pointless arguing. Basically agree to disagree as you can not change their minds and just keep to the topic at hand. They do this to anyone that they don't agree with and try their best to get you in trouble. Just some heads up and advice bud.

If you are going to accuse people of flaming and threadjacking, make a report in Moderation.

[United Republic Empire]

Hey Rughzhenhaide - spoilered the quote to save room - don't let them get you riled up with the edgy teen attitude (which shows when they put rolls eyes smiley in all their posts), Just block the person so you don't have to read their flaming comments that cause a thread jacking by pointless arguing. Basically agree to disagree as you can not change their minds and just keep to the topic at hand. They do this to anyone that they don't agree with and try their best to get you in trouble. Just some heads up and advice bud.

If you are going to accuse people of flaming and threadjacking, make a report in Moderation.

Sorry Wallenburg, but I'm not a policing snitch. It's not my circus to control.

[Rughzhenhaide]

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I know how to keep my temper, thank you for the advice though. The dogs bark, but the caravan goes on. Hopefully the other people will listen to reason.

[The New California Republic]

I don't see how, but alright.

You should sharpen up on reading with comprehension.

I comprehend the spuriousness of the repeal perfectly well.

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Repeals of commends and GA Resolutions need a lot more substance to them

I dare disagree. IA's latest resolution lacked it and yet it passed.

I said repeals. What were you saying about sharpening up on reading comprehension? Fucking ironic, it really is.

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Not in the context of that quote you referenced.

It was a reply, please read the earlier posts. Also, at least try to comprehend my points.

It wasn't a reply to the quote that you cited.

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So now you are calling your regional delegate a lemming? That's not very nice.

Not exactly. He could have his own opinion on the matter and not be following the majority. I am calling that all the people who follow the majority - but of course, YOU are always right and nobody should ever put it into question, especially a newcomer like me (and just recently a puppet). Stop this charade, stop looking down at me and provide real arguments. If you do not, I won't reply.

You haven't provided any arguments of your own of any real substance, referring only to the text of the Repeal for most of it. I'll argue against arguments you provide, but not against the shite like "Because it is", "I don't care", etc.

[Caracasus]

Right then, okay you may not be a puppet.

WOW, what an U-turn!

Let's cut through the bullshit. Why exactly do you feel IA deserves to have their commendation revoked?

Like, literally read the repeal.
"Calling into question, in fact, the very sincerity of I.A.’s WA operations, which, though lauded by SCR#223, have of late caused mass controversy and disharmony among member nations of this WA,
Noting that, for example, I.A., along with a collective of other WA Delegates, consciously instigates and perpetuates the lemming effect during WA votes; that is, dishonorably dumping a large number of votes at the onset of the ballot, creating a majority for member nations to align with
Frustrated that some of I.A.’s more recent General Assembly resolutions, such as and GAR#443 and GAR#452, are, put simply, seemingly incomprehensible to the vast majority of member nations,
Equally annoyed that I.A. would disrespect this WA by proposing vague, quasi-sarcastic resolutions such as "Debtor Voting Rights" (which is, at the time of this condemnation's writing, at vote),
Furthermore, alarmed that SCR#223 would falsify the import of the legislation I.A. repealed to mislead this WA:
GAR#329 did not “[permit] national sub-groups to disregard and neglect nationwide laws”;
GAR#350 did not “[stop] the World Assembly from passing any laws;” and
GAR#396 did not “[slow] down the Internet;”

I don't see how, but alright.

You should sharpen up on reading with comprehension.

Repeals of commends and GA Resolutions need a lot more substance to them

I dare disagree. IA's latest resolution lacked it and yet it passed.

Not in the context of that quote you referenced.

It was a reply, please read the earlier posts. Also, at least try to comprehend my points.

They are few. And no.

Read my reply to Caracasus. There is a bunch of them.

So now you are calling your regional delegate a lemming? That's not very nice.

Not exactly. He could have his own opinion on the matter and not be following the majority. I am calling that all the people who follow the majority - but of course, YOU are always right and nobody should ever put it into question, especially a newcomer like me (and just recently a puppet). Stop this charade, stop looking down at me and provide real arguments. If you do not, I won't reply.

So just so I am 100 percent on this; your opinion on this is broadly the same as laid out in this repeal, correct?

[Rughzhenhaide]

You haven't provided any arguments of your own of any real substance, referring only to the text of the Repeal for most of it

It IS my argument because I agree with it. You do realize you cannot patent an opinion? I didn't bother rewriting it in my own words to Caracasus. In case you also suffer of short-term memory loss:

IA is only doing this to hoard badges and not only that, he does it in the worst way possible: low effort proposals with lots of legal loopholes (GAR #454)

I comprehend the spuriousness of the repeal perfectly well.

The only thing that is spurious is your non-existent arguments that you pretend exist.

I said repeals. What were you saying about sharpening up on reading comprehension? Fucking ironic, it really is

Work on your sentence structuring.

It wasn't a reply to the quote that you cited.

You asked me "where you are getting the "biased" thing from in this context" and so I replied: all of your posts. Is there something wrong with you?

I'll argue against arguments you provide, but not against the shite like [...] "I don't care"

I actually provided all the arguments, you just didn't bother reading/forgot them. The only thing you keep repeating is that Jocospor is a nazi/fascist. Just because he is the proponent of the repeal doesn't mean its automatically invalid. Also, I don't care, it's just an internet game. You cannot force me to not say something. Get triggered.

[The New California Republic]

You haven't provided any arguments of your own of any real substance, referring only to the text of the Repeal for most of it

It IS my argument because I agree with it.

Cool stuff, but since those arguments have been progressively chipped away at since the first page then it really isn't worth responding to.

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I comprehend the spuriousness of the repeal perfectly well.

The only thing that is spurious is your non-existent arguments.

"NO U." in other words?

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I said repeals. What were you saying about sharpening up on reading comprehension? Fucking ironic, it really is.

Work on your sentence structuring.

It was pretty straightforward.

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I'll argue against arguments you provide

I actually provided all the arguments, you just didn't bother reading/forgot them.

I read them and dismissed them. See reply No. 1.

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The only thing you keep repeating is that Jocospor is a nazi/fascist

Where did I say that? Find it on the thread. Please. Go on. Try. I'll wait...

[Rughzhenhaide]

Cool stuff, but since those arguments have been progressively chipped away at since the first page then it really isn't worth responding to.

You provided nothing that disproves my claim that IA has made poor resolutions.

I read them and dismissed them. See reply No. 1.

You mean this? If you do then it still stands because you can get multiples of badges.

IA is only doing this to hoard badges.

No, that isn't how it works. How the fuck is this so difficult to understand? IA got the WA author badge a long time ago. You don't get separate badges for each WA resolution authored, so the notion that IA is doing this to get badges is absurd.

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I urge everyone to disregard their opinion of the proponent and vote for this repeal - for the greater good.

Lol no.

Where did I say that? Find it on the thread. Please. Go on. Try. I'll wait...

You're right.

It was pretty straightforward.

Not in my humble opinion.

I'm finished with you. It's like talking to a wall.

[The New California Republic]

Cool stuff, but since those arguments have been progressively chipped away at since the first page then it really isn't worth responding to.

You provided nothing that disproves my claim that IA has made poor resolutions.

Sure, because I don't need to, as I admitted that they have.

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The only thing you keep repeating is that Jocospor is a nazi/fascist

Where did I say that? Find it on the thread. Please. Go on. Try. I'll wait...

You're right.

Indeed I am.

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I'm finished with you. It's like talking to a wall.

Cool. It'll be a relief to see an end to your single sentences that don't really go anywhere, as well as the baseless accusations such as the one above.

[The Archregimancy]

Sorry Wallenburg, but I'm not a policing snitch. It's not my circus to control.

It is, however, mine.


I would strongly recommend that several of you, particularly - but not limited to - Rughzhenhaide, take a deep breath an calm down before posting again.

Rughzhenhaide, your posting behaviour isn't actionable, but it has turned unnecessarily heated at times, and has occasionally skirted the outer limits of flamebaiting.

New California Republic, you're not helping. You should know better than to engage in this type of argument.


Now, find yourselves a nice quiet corner, light a scented candle, and breath deeply while picturing baby wombats gamboling by clear blue oceans.

And be thankful that I am a mod of compassion and mercy, and slow to anger.

[The New California Republic]

New California Republic, you're not helping. You should know better than to engage in this type of argument.

Apologies, it did get a bit heated unfortunately.

[Arasi Luvasa]

So, as a relative newcomer you're working from a position of relative ignorance, casting vague aand unsupported aspersions that you can not back up and refusing to really clarify your position on anything much. How very brave of you.

To be fair I have consistently seen that it tends to be the relative newcomers who lean towards wanting to set the World Assembly to rights, and anyone who gets in the way of that crusade gets shat on.

Relative New-comer here. This whole thing is stupid. Then again I fall on the side of many of IA's recent proposals, though we do diverge in places. I've gotten to the point where I've decided that I am just blocking anyone who seems to be from the Jocospor fan club, the telegrams annoy me and won't sway me in the least.

Just wanted to point this out (would have posted this earlier but busy IRL).

As for the repeal, what one views as bad another views as good. It is a fact that IA has authored resolutions which have been largely supported, even prior to being a member of WALL apparently, and aides others. Nothing in this repeal suggests anything that would nullify the original, nor make it redundant. Because of this, even if I bought the reasons for the repeal, I would vote against. If these reasons were valid, use it to write a resolution that shows disdain for IA without attempting to remove the honors he has well earned. Also the He wrote bad resolutions argument is a bad one, on that merit any award that is ever given to Jocospor should be repealed immediately for the bad proposal he repeatedly tries to push through. Also by saying the proposals are bad, you are pretty much insulting those that voted for said proposals. Great job incentivising them to look favorably on your side of the argument That aside, you have not really backed up why the resolutions are bad. Please argue this and back up all your other points as well. Just because you think the reasons these arguments are true is patently obvious does not mean everyone also sees what you see. I have missed nuance in some text, and our own experiences shape how we interpret what we see (even if it was not intended by the author).

[American Pere Housh]

I'm support it

[Cedoria]

I'm support it

It would, presumably, be asking too much to ask you to say why, given that the proposal is nothing but sour grapes.

A repeal commendation that is this light on content shouldn't be brought in. Especially when the main objection is about resolutions the author didn't like, resolutions that were passed and remained passed by this Assembly, sometimes overwhelmingly so. If you manage to repeal all IA's resolutions, then I'd possibly say the commendation was no longer relevant, but not even Joco and his cronies have been foolish enough to try and pull that off, instead they're just sniping from the sides.

[Wallenburg]

I'm support it

We already know you support it, Joco.

[Lord Dominator]

I'm support it

We already know you support it, Joco.

That probably isn't Joco, unless he decided to multi for some reason