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[DEFEATED] Repeal: Commend Imperium Anglorum

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[DEFEATED] Repeal: Commend Imperium Anglorum

Postby Jocospor » Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:08 am

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Acknowledging that Imperium Anglorum (herein “I.A.”) has well contributed to the world, as outlined by SCR#223, specifically heading Europe’s World Assembly (herein “WA”) Delegacy and the authorship of near thirty WA resolutions;

Calling into question, in fact, the very sincerity of I.A.’s WA operations, which, though lauded by SCR#223, have of late caused mass controversy and disharmony among member nations of this WA;

Disappointed that I.A. outwardly uses its reputation and power amongst the international community to further its own interests;

Noting that, for example, I.A., along with a collective of other WA Delegates, consciously instigates and perpetuates the lemming effect during WA votes; that is, dishonourably dumping a large number of votes at the onset of the ballot, creating a majority for member nations to align with;

Appalled that I.A. would seek to undermine both the democratic process and fellow authors in such a deceptive fashion;

Convinced I.A. adopts an air of superiority when dealing with nations it does not consider to be worth its time;

Frustrated that some of I.A.’s more recent General Assembly resolutions are, put simply, seemingly incomprehensible to the vast majority of member nations;

Furthermore, alarmed that SCR#223 would falsify the import of the legislation I.A. repealed to mislead this WA:

• GAR#329 did not “[permit] national sub-groups to disregard and neglect nationwide laws”;
• GAR#350 did not “[stop] the World Assembly from passing any laws;” and
• GAR#396 did not “[slow] down the Internet;”

Hereby repeals SCR#223 “Commend Imperium Anglorum.”
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Postby Honeydewistania » Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:44 am

I don't know if I'll vote for or against
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Postby Jocospor » Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:47 am

Honeydewistania wrote:I don't know if I'll vote for or against

Why do you say that?
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Postby Caracasus » Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:54 am

Lol no.
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Postby Jocospor » Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:55 am

Caracasus wrote:Lol no.

Is that utterance regarding the legality of the second last clause?
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Postby Caracasus » Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:57 am

Jocospor wrote:
Caracasus wrote:Lol no.

Is that utterance regarding the legality of the second last clause?


The whole thing in general really. You might not like IA, but they've very clearly made the game a better place and there's nothing worth removing that commendation for here.
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Postby Consular » Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:00 am

Is this under the word limit?

Against regardless.

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Postby Jocospor » Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:01 am

Caracasus wrote:
Jocospor wrote:Is that utterance regarding the legality of the second last clause?


The whole thing in general really. You might not like IA, but they've very clearly made the game a better place and there's nothing worth removing that commendation for here.

In your opinion, perhaps.

And in your opinion, as one who does deal with proofreading, do you believe the second last clause is legal?
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Postby Jocospor » Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:01 am

Consular wrote:Is this under the word limit?

Against regardless.

OOC: I'm not sure. What's the word limit?
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Postby Caracasus » Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:09 am

Jocospor wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
The whole thing in general really. You might not like IA, but they've very clearly made the game a better place and there's nothing worth removing that commendation for here.

In your opinion, perhaps.

And in your opinion, as one who does deal with proofreading, do you believe the second last clause is legal?


Proofreading isn't the same as checking legality. I defer to someone with more experience writing SC stuff.

As for the rest... as I said, you personally might not like IA, however there's no denying their many, many contributions to the game via the WA and their home region. They're practically part of the WA furnature at this point. No one aside from the orcs are gonna support this.
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Postby Jocospor » Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:13 am

Caracasus wrote:
Jocospor wrote:In your opinion, perhaps.

And in your opinion, as one who does deal with proofreading, do you believe the second last clause is legal?


Proofreading isn't the same as checking legality. I defer to someone with more experience writing SC stuff.

As for the rest... as I said, you personally might not like IA, however there's no denying their many, many contributions to the game via the WA and their home region. They're practically part of the WA furnature at this point. No one aside from the orcs are gonna support this.

Throw yourself down on a sofa enough times and eventually you'll break it. :hug:
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Postby Caracasus » Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:16 am

Jocospor wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
Proofreading isn't the same as checking legality. I defer to someone with more experience writing SC stuff.

As for the rest... as I said, you personally might not like IA, however there's no denying their many, many contributions to the game via the WA and their home region. They're practically part of the WA furnature at this point. No one aside from the orcs are gonna support this.

Throw yourself down on a sofa enough times and eventually you'll break it. :hug:


Or get kicked out of DFS.

I really don't think your acattergun approach is working.
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Postby Jocospor » Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:24 am

Caracasus wrote:
Jocospor wrote:Throw yourself down on a sofa enough times and eventually you'll break it. :hug:


Or get kicked out of DFS.

I really don't think your acattergun approach is working.


*pats on head* It'll be okay. Promise.

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Postby Mzeusia » Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:30 am

No support, not that I'm particularly important.

Like others have already said, IA has done much for the WA. The commendation was deserved and still is.
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Postby Flanderlion » Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:37 am

Not much point of writing this, majority of delegates and individual nations are going to vote against this. IA's done a decent job both in the GA and in Europe. They should be made GenSec, and they maintain several tools and threads for the community. If anything they deserve two commendations, one for the stuff in the GA, and one for their work in Europe.
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Postby Kuriko » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:41 am

Yeeeaaaaahhhhhh...... No. Against.
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Postby Aclion » Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:38 am

On one hand I find Jocospor's constant windmill tilting extremely irritating. On the other hand I find IAs practice of collecting shinies by repealing resolutions based on frivolous or outright fictional faults extremely irritating as well.

Maybe i'm just irritable.
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Postby New Bremerton » Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:37 am

Jocospor wrote:
Calling into question, in fact, the very sincerity of I.A.’s World Assembly operations which, though lauded by SCR#233, have of late caused mass controversy and disharmony among this World Assembly, particularly GAR#433 “Preventing the Execution of Innocents”


This right here. Never mind the rest of this proposal.

Repeal PtEoI, with its deliberately confusing and misleading language, and a more recent GA proposal written entirely in financial jargon, are specifically designed to further some sort of hidden agenda. Such deceptive and underhanded tactics should not be tolerated, let alone commended. If IA has made NS a better place for everyone over many years, then some of his recent proposals appear to buck the trend. If IA cannot bring himself to draft proposals using plain, easy-to-understand English 100% of the time, instead opting to disrespect the vast majority of NS players by labeling them as "anti-intellectual" simply for not having a Ph.D. in economics, then he cannot be trusted. This is no way to engender good will.

Barring any honest mistakes and legality woes, and after weighing up his accomplishments as outlined in SCR#223, the most I'm prepared to do right now is ABSTAIN. I'm no fan of Jocospor and the CCD, but at this point, I just don't care who the author is. Feel free to educate me on IA's various accomplishments, and I will weigh them up and reconsider. I haven't been around for that long after all. But my first impression of him is that he can't be trusted. Why should I oppose this proposal?

Caracasus wrote:No one aside from the orcs are gonna support this.


Don't discriminate against Orcs. They're just trying to eke out a precarious existence in Durotar as penance for their past sins. After all, it's not their fault the Burning Legion corrupted them into bloodthirsty savages for a time.

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Postby New Excalibus » Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:41 am

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Postby Caracasus » Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:23 am

New Excalibus wrote:I don't trust anything CoCD does anymore. Against, due to there probably being some hidden agenda here.


Literally no hidden agenda. It's a pop at someone they don't like and the hopes of getting a badge. Less 4d chess and much more 2D tic tac toe.
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Postby The Tri State Area and Maine » Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:49 am

There are a lot of people who should have their commendation repealed more than IA. Against.

Also against due to author, but that wouldn't make a difference.
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Postby United Massachusetts » Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:04 am

The Tri State Area and Maine wrote:Also against due to author, but that wouldn't make a difference.

This is not a good outlook.
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