[PASSED] Condemn The Pacific

[Drop Your Pants]

Right, so none of you are taking this remotely seriously.

Wait, this is meant to be serious? I thought we were all playing a game.

[Consular]

Right, so none of you are taking this remotely seriously.

Wait, this is meant to be serious? I thought we were all playing a game.

Some of us better than others eh

How's your NPO membership treating you? It's fitting really. Literally a sheep now.

[Yokiria]

You could have at least read the logs showing what TP did wrong before claiming that they only subverted one region, when we have evidence that they directly subverted four.

The Pacifican Hivemind is much more capable than the doctored wogs you possess.

Please show the public your evidence for the logs being doctored, Senator Wattinree.

You would not risk your claim going unverified, making the New Pacific Order look like it is shouting "fake news" in the SC, would you?

[Draganisia]

While this probably won't change the minds of our true enemies. Hopefully those who are trying to be reasonable will understand this.

Here is a statement from the NPO Emperor last night that everyone should read:

"I already said we had made some mistakes in the past in my statement sent to all nations in our region. Both sides have some valid points, however some get blown out of proportion due to emotions being high. Especially with those who are trying to destroy the NPO no matter what.

Did our government task Feux and others with infiltrating the leadership of several regions following their departure from NPO? Not to the best of our knowledge.

But we are guilty of not informing those regions when we uncovered their actions and instead trying to use them to our benefit.

Should Feux have been reappointed to the senate a couple months ago given his history of meddling in the affairs of other regions?

Nope.

Should Feux and Pergamon have handled their interactions with players with sketchy histories better?

Most certainly.

We issued official apologies to Lazarus and Osiris earlier tonight since they are the two most affected regions.

However we aren't interested in tolerating the several hundred nations created solely for the purpose of repeatedly spamming us with the same message and trying to sow discord among our members. Tensions will not be alleviated in heated arguments, rants and repeatedly shoving opposing views in people's faces, but rather through finding the middle ground and beginning work on the necessary steps to establish more accountability and ensure that we do not see a repeat of the past week in a few years."

Basically what it means is that we will try to have constructive discussions with those whom are trying to be reasonable and will continue to bring down the BanHammer on those who are only trying to spread chaos.

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

While this probably won't change the minds of our true enemies. Hopefully those who are trying to be reasonable will understand this.

Here is a statement from the NPO Emperor last night that everyone should read:

"I already said we had made some mistakes in the past in my statement sent to all nations in our region. Both sides have some valid points, however some get blown out of proportion due to emotions being high. Especially with those who are trying to destroy the NPO no matter what.

Did our government task Feux and others with infiltrating the leadership of several regions following their departure from NPO? Not to the best of our knowledge.

But we are guilty of not informing those regions when we uncovered their actions and instead trying to use them to our benefit.

Should Feux have been reappointed to the senate a couple months ago given his history of meddling in the affairs of other regions?

Nope.

Should Feux and Pergamon have handled their interactions with players with sketchy histories better?

Most certainly.

We issued official apologies to Lazarus and Osiris earlier tonight since they are the two most affected regions.

However we aren't interested in tolerating the several hundred nations created solely for the purpose of repeatedly spamming us with the same message and trying to sow discord among our members. Tensions will not be alleviated in heated arguments, rants and repeatedly shoving opposing views in people's faces, but rather through finding the middle ground and beginning work on the necessary steps to establish more accountability and ensure that we do not see a repeat of the past week in a few years."

Basically what it means is that we will try to have constructive discussions with those whom are trying to be reasonable and will continue to bring down the BanHammer on those who are only trying to spread chaos.

Now this is great and all, but actions speak louder than words, and the actions shown by the NPO and it's government indicate that they have no interest in establishing accountability and stopping the actions that have gotten them into this situation.

I also have no interest in giving the NPO a third chance at not causing harm to our regions.

[DYP]

How's your NPO membership treating you? It's fitting really. Literally a sheep now.

Doing fine, lovely bunch of players. TP is quite a friendly community, very welcoming. Unless you turn up with malicious intent, but that's the same everywhere.

[Techgrade]

Definitely want this one to pass

[Draganisia]

Definitely want this one to pass

Since Black Hawks like you are our true enemies I expect nothing less coming from you.

Of course in the end even if it is passed it will only show that will you hate us even if we did change like you want us to.

[Lord Dominator]

Definitely want this one to pass

Since Black Hawks like you are our true enemies I expect nothing less coming from you.

Of course in the end even if it is passed it will only show that will you hate us even if we did change like you want us to.

Nice to know you appreciate us Hawks

[Doing it Rightland]

If I may, many of the nations spamming the Pacific have made claims that it is merely the government of the Pacific, not the entire region, that has conducted wrongdoings and should be held accountable. If that is the case, then a condemnation of the Pacific in its entirety makes no sense, as you're punishing mostly nations who repeatedly have been considered innocent by the Anti-NPO faction(s). Please explain.

[Lord Dominator]

If I may, many of the nations spamming the Pacific have made claims that it is merely the government of the Pacific, not the entire region, that has conducted wrongdoings and should be held accountable. If that is the case, then a condemnation of the Pacific in its entirety makes no sense, as you're punishing mostly nations who repeatedly have been considered innocent by the Anti-NPO faction(s). Please explain.

Government changes and the problems don't. Makes more sense to Condemn the region than to try and play whack-a-mole with the leadership.

[Kitsco]

Greetings to the Security Council,
Wish I was here to assist in striking condemning raiders or more serious accusations of more dreadful regions, but here we are, with Topid, using this council as a weapon. An extremely blunt weapon. This Council stands for the ideals of peace and stability, and should not toil in how the government of a nation or region operates, that is the sole purpose of the General Assembly to assist in direction of how a government should govern its people, through welfare or dictatorship, slavery, taxation, etc.

This security council is to uphold the defense of those regions who are invaded by liberating, commending those of great worldly pursuits of peace and stability, and condemning those who seek to destabilize regions and nations. We are here today, preparing to vote on the matter that The Pacific be condemned, due to the exposure of information that shows The Pacific had indeed embedded spies throughout Osiris and Lazarus, and coups in the North and South Pacific. Very much condemning evidence, but why is this now all being brought up? Why just all the sudden is this information being exposed? Why when the NPO was condemned back in 2015, why didn't it stick?

Because the NPO region seeks stability, peace, and protection. Their methods may be strange, but it gets the job done, take for example my home region St Abbaddon, many of you have heard of this region is one of the oldest regions in the game. Also one of the most fought over regions simply because of it's a founderless state. Almost 2 years ago, I asked the New Pacific Order, and The Gray Wardens, known Defenders if they would be willing to help save the region, from the last Delegate, "Topid" They full on agreed, Topid's actions were to Lock the region down, of the course of a Year, dooming the region to inactivity. I was not having it, I orchestrated a coup, a fast and deliberate assault on the Delegate position with the remaining natives on my side, we ousted Topid. Exiled him. The NPO offered a protectorate treaty, (which can be found in a tagged factbook entry to my region) that would induct us into the NPO, and offer further protection. As a founderless region with a mere 4 endorsements, I had no reason to object. we kept our sovereignty, with one cost! The banishment of Topid for past crimes against the Pacific.

Now you must be wondering as to why the history of St Abbaddon plays a role with the condemning of the Pacific, you see a week ago, Topid launched an assault on St. Abbaddon, with help of several known raider groups, raider groups which have been condemned, The Blacks Hawks, being one. He stepped low enough to request aid from the enemies of St. Abbaddon and the Pacific to try and win a region back that he would've seen destroyed before in the hands of someone else. Needless to say, I still wear the Crown of St Abbaddon and hold true the Delegate position in the region. Today, St. Abbaddon is being rebuilt, with Our Regional Government in the works of electing a head of state.

A week since this attack on Abbaddon, Topid Writes out a condemning letter an attempt to wound The Pacific in hopes that he'll be able to take the Region of Abbaddon for his own again. If this isn't cleary just a blatant use of this security council as a weapon then I don't know what is. Topid has run out of options to retake St Abbaddon, this merely another way to gain what he seeks.

I can't the members of the council what course of action you should take, but don't overlook the main reason for this proposal, this is an attack against not only The Pacific but St Abbaddon as well. In fact, I can't believe I'm not being Condemned, or mentioned, because it's painstaking obvious what this is for. that is all!

King of St. Abbaddon,
Ruling Delegate,
Kitsco,

[Lord Dominator]

This security council is to uphold the defense of those regions who are invaded by liberating, commending those of great worldly pursuits of peace and stability, and condemning those who seek to destabilize regions and nations. We are here today, preparing to vote on the matter that The Pacific be condemned, due to the exposure of information that shows The Pacific had indeed embedded spies throughout Osiris and Lazarus, and coups in the North and South Pacific. Very much condemning evidence, but why is this now all being brought up? Why just all the sudden is this information being exposed?

Because we just found out. Simple as that.

Edit: Mutterings of conspiracy will get you laughed out of the room, fair warning.

[Draganisia]

This security council is to uphold the defense of those regions who are invaded by liberating, commending those of great worldly pursuits of peace and stability, and condemning those who seek to destabilize regions and nations. We are here today, preparing to vote on the matter that The Pacific be condemned, due to the exposure of information that shows The Pacific had indeed embedded spies throughout Osiris and Lazarus, and coups in the North and South Pacific. Very much condemning evidence, but why is this now all being brought up? Why just all the sudden is this information being exposed?

Because we just found out. Simple as that.

Edit: Mutterings of conspiracy will get you laughed out of the room, fair warning.

Yea because telling the truth is illegal in the law of the black hawks.

[Lord Dominator]

Because we just found out. Simple as that.

Edit: Mutterings of conspiracy will get you laughed out of the room, fair warning.

Yea because telling the truth is illegal in the law of the black hawks.

Oddly, it isn't. Try again though, if you wish to claim conspiracy about the information coming out with a straight face.

[Draganisia]

Yea because telling the truth is illegal in the law of the black hawks.

Oddly, it isn't. Try again though, if you wish to claim conspiracy about the information coming out with a straight face.

Oh I can say I am getting closer to the truth and Kitsco does bring up good points.

The stuff with Fuex in Osiris and Lazarus happened in 2017 or so and you all of a sudden get all the information you want just after we stop you from raiding St Abbaddon.

Seems like a convenient evil revenge plot to me.

[Lord Dominator]

Oddly, it isn't. Try again though, if you wish to claim conspiracy about the information coming out with a straight face.

Oh I can say I am getting closer to the truth and Kitsco does bring up good points.

The stuff with Fuex in Osiris and Lazarus happened in 2017 or so and you all of a sudden get all the information you want just after we stop you from raiding St Abbaddon.

Seems like a convenient evil revenge plot to me.

Or someone saw a good opportunity to leak. Still no conspiracy.

[Yokiria]

I am alarmed at the willingness to perpetuate conspiracy theories by supporters of the New Pacific Order here. Please cease this at once.

[Armaros]

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I see... an Onderwall. But whereas Onder at least somewhat sticks to the truth, this is a gigantic load of horseshit.

"Why now?"
Because we only found out now.

"NPO seeks peace stability etc."
Wahahahahahaha

Pacific took your region and reduced it to shit without Topid to keep it going, but hey, you got power so it's okay right?

"Assaulted" "stepped low enough"
The Black Hawks actually organised it to restore Topid and beat back the NPO, which would hopefully mean some activity in your region. Topid didn't even organise it.

You end with saying it's a petty attack by Topid. Bull. Shit. The Pacific infiltrated and subverted several regions, among other things, for which they're being condemned. This text wall is a pathetic attempt to make it seem it's all an attack by Topid, the ebil mastermind, because he was banned from a region he loved.

[Draganisia]

I am alarmed at the willingness to perpetuate conspiracy theories by supporters of the New Pacific Order here. Please cease this at once.

Why?

Afraid I will find the truth?

[Yokiria]

I am alarmed at the willingness to perpetuate conspiracy theories by supporters of the New Pacific Order here. Please cease this at once.

Why?

Afraid I will find the truth?

Afraid you will create the truth.

[Armaros]

I am alarmed at the willingness to perpetuate conspiracy theories by supporters of the New Pacific Order here. Please cease this at once.

Why?

Afraid I will find the truth?

If you actually find the truth you'll stop supporting the NPO

[Cormactopia Prime]

King of St. Abbaddon,
Ruling Delegate,
Kitsco,

That massive wall of text can all be boiled down to this: It's the NPO that is propping you up as "King" of St Abbaddon and "Ruling" Delegate. This is about power for you, the fact that you have it and want to keep it, without any qualms on your part about giving up the sovereignty of St Abbaddon.

Eventually, you, like the NPO, will fall. Next time no one should make any promises not to eject and ban you from St Abbaddon, as you are a traitor.

[Kitsco]

King of St. Abbaddon,
Ruling Delegate,
Kitsco,

That massive wall of text can all be boiled down to this: It's the NPO that is propping you up as "King" of St Abbaddon and "Ruling" Delegate. This is about power for you, the fact that you have it and want to keep it, without any qualms on your part about giving up the sovereignty of St Abbaddon.

Eventually, you, like the NPO, will fall. Next time no one should make any promises not to eject and ban you from St Abbaddon, as you are a traitor.

I've re-established the Council of Elders, did Topid do that? No. I am once again actively trying to recruit, soemthing Topid was trying to do. The i seeked the NPO and the Gray wardens for their assistance, the only traitor here is Topid, using the security council as a weapon, since the black hawks and other raiders couldn't even take St. Abbaddon, now that you understand the NPO is strong then y'all raiders, and Abbaddon is very well fortified, you are using the SC to weaken the opposition. Also since tou think Im power hungry, I am trying to rebuild the government of St. Abbaddon, so I can step down. I have to much irl going on to maintain it.

Lets face the facts, and realize this proposal isnt about the NPO, its about Topid still being butt hurt over losing Abbaddon. I gave him the conditions upon which he could return, give Pacifica back to The NPO, and then submit to a trail so that the people of Abbaddon could have justice for is assualt on the region.

Do not, act as tho you are a friend of St Abbaddon. You are none, if you were you'd understand why I made the moves I made. And its kept Abbaddon safe for almost 2 years.

[Yokiria]

Lets face the facts, and realize this proposal isnt about the NPO, its about Topid still being butt hurt over losing Abbaddon.

As Armaros accurately stated, "The Pacific infiltrated and subverted several regions, among other things, for which they're being condemned". This proposal is about more than St Abbaddon, which is why it will pass, as opposed to before, when the world ignored Topid's ramblings.