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[PASSED] Condemn Macedon

Postby Kuriko » Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:21 pm

I know I'm usually against Condemnations, but SC#1 has been bugging me for a long time. Although its seen as a historical resolution, I think its horribly written and vague to the point of being useless. Therefore I've written this to gauge thoughts on possibly repealing SC#1 in favor of a viable replacement. Its probably a horrible idea, but I was bored and wanted something to do. I have the full list of known Macedonian trophy regions, so if y'all want the full list in the proposal I can write it in there.

The Security Council,

Acknowledging that Macedon, one of the first Imperialistic regions of the NationStates Multiverse, was previously condemned under Security Council Resolution #1: Condemn Macedon;

Believing that while Security Council Resolution #1: Condemn Macedon had historical significance as the very first condemnation ever passed by this body it is too vague, never touching upon detailed reasons as to why this region actually deserves Condemnation by the WA Security Council;

Hoping that this resolution, when passed by this Council, will provide a detailed and accurate account as to why Macedon deserves to be Condemned by the international community;

Detailing the atrocities committed by the region of Macedon in the following list for perusal by international delegations:

  • Using well placed puppet nations, created by governments of nations within Macedon, to gain the trust of native nations within their own regions so as to betray them later on when destroying their communities from the inside.
  • International and inter-regional ethnic cleansing, where nations of Macedon would take violent control of founderless regions through the World Assembly Delegate position to force nations from their home regions due to having a different ethnic makeup.
  • Passwording and refounding over sixty regions, preventing communities of nations from growing in said regions for over 12 years in some cases. These regions include, but are not limited to: Brazil, Bulgaria, Carthage, Sri Lanka, Republic of Macedonia, Myanmar, Slovenia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Hungary, Belarus and Venezuela.
  • Destroying active communities of nations after gaining their trust through duplicitous means, taking their home regions from them and casting them into The Rejected Realms. These regions include:
    • The occupation and attempted refound of France in 2009, where puppet nations of Macedonian origin seized the WA delegacy of the then over thirty nation community and used it to eject and ban the entire native community. They then proceeded to password the region and leave it barren with one nation occupying it, lasting for five months before their attempted refound of the region was thwarted by the Ten Thousand Islands Treaty Organization.
    • The occupation and attempted destruction of the region Belgium that began on May 9th 2009, where Macedonian forces along with their allies from Mencer passworded the region after only 36 hours. The occupying forces then spent two months ejecting 32 native nations, ultimately being stopped by defender forces who through the use of undercover international operatives learned the password placed upon the region by Macedon. Due to the horrendous actions undertaken by a region like Macedon in the occupation of Belgium a new proposal type was enacted by the Security Council, a proposal type named a Liberation which would remove the password placed on a region by invading forces in order to allow defender forces to free it.
    • The occupation and attempted ethnic cleansing of the region Greece on December 24th, 2007. Through the implementation of a Macedonian puppet nation by the name of Orthodoxya, Macedon and their allies from Mencer seized the then United Nations Delegate position (predecessor to the current World Assembly) from the native nation Nikolaos The Great. Orthodoxya, placed in the region of Greece for the sole purpose of betraying the native Greek nations, held to the same beliefs that the ethnical makeup of the Greek nations were lesser than Macedonian nations peoples.

Noting that in recent years Macedon has gone dormant as a region, its community of nations dissolving over time and leaving their conquered regions empty except for trusted puppet nations;

Further Believing that although Macedon and its trophy regions are inactive as mentioned above, they are deserving of a condemnation due to their past actions in destroying regional communities;

Hereby Condemns Macedon.


The Security Council,

Acknowledging that Macedon, one of the first Imperialistic regions of the NationStates Multiverse, was previously condemned under Security Council Resolution #1: Condemn Macedon;

Believing that while Security Council Resolution #1: Condemn Macedon had historical significance as the very first condemnation ever passed by this body it is too vague, never touching upon detailed reasons as to why this region actually deserves Condemnation by the WA Security Council;

Hoping that this resolution, when passed by this Council, will provide a detailed and accurate account as to why Macedon deserves to be Condemned by the international community;

Detailing the atrocities committed by the region of Macedon in the following list for perusal by international delegations:

  • Using well placed puppet nations, created by governments of nations within Macedon, to gain the trust of native nations within their own regions so as to betray them later on when destroying their communities from the inside.
  • International and inter-regional ethnic cleansing, where nations of Macedon would take violent control of founderless regions through the World Assembly Delegate position to force nations from their home regions due to having a different ethnic make-up.
  • Passwording and refounding over sixty regions, preventing communities of nations from growing in said regions for over 12 years in some cases. These regions include, but are not limited to: Carthage, Hellenic Republic, Sri Lanka, Slovak Republic, Republic of Macedonia, Republic of Bulgaria, Myanmar, Slovenia, and Venezuala.
  • Destroying active communities of nations after gaining their trust through duplicitous means, taking their home regions from them and casting them into The Rejected Realms. These regions include:
    • The occupation and attempted refound of France in 2009, where puppet nations of Macedonian origin seized the WA delegacy of the then over thirty nation community and used it to eject and ban the entire native community. They then proceeded to password the region and leave it barren with one nation occupying it, lasting for five months before their attempted refound of the region was thwarted by the Ten Thousand Islands Treaty Organization.
    • The occupation and attempted destruction of the region belgium that began on May 9th 2009, where Macedonian forces along with their allies from Mencer passworded the region after only 36 hours. The occupying forces then spent two months ejecting 32 native nations, ultimately being stopped by the passage of a Security Council liberation which saved the community from ultimate destruction. Due to the horrendous actions undertaken by a region like Macedon in the occupation of Belgium a new proposal type was enacted by the Security Council, a proposal type named a Liberation which would remove the password placed on a region by invading forces in order to allow defender forces to free it.

Noting that in recent years Macedon has gone dormant as a region, its community of nations dissolving over time and leaving their conquered regions empty except for trusted puppet nations;

Further Believing that although Macedon and its trophy regions are inactive as mentioned above, they are deserving of a condemnation due to their past actions in destroying regional communities;

Hereby Condemns Macedon.


Again, this is one part in a possible repeal and replace idea I had.

Edit 1: Added to Belgium.
Edit 2: Added draft 2, due to some changes.
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Postby All Wild Things » Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:23 am

Great idea! Then after all these "repeal and replaces", you can be the sole author of the most SC resolutions!

We could rename the SC after you!
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Postby Honeydewistania » Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:24 am

I'm in favour of this. The standard of the WA has changed, and I've always thought SC#1 was poorly written. A repeal may be hard to get by though, considering the significance of it. Plus, it may be rejected by the community now that Macedon are dead and the actions stated in the proposal have been conducted a long time ago. But I'd vote for it.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:25 am

All Wild Things wrote:Great idea! Then after all these "repeal and replaces", you can be the sole author of the most SC resolutions!

We could rename the SC after you!

Repeal and replaces are common. For example, Condemn Nazi Europe was also repealced and so was Commend 10000 Islands, both very early resolutions.
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Postby All Wild Things » Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:16 am

I'm not convinced they're common (this is where I should get proved wrong!), although you're right about what happened with the the Nazi Europe resolution.

It looks like the 10000 Islands one was repealed about a year before the next one was written, and the replacement was written by a different author.
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Postby Kuriko » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:39 am

All Wild Things wrote:Great idea! Then after all these "repeal and replaces", you can be the sole author of the most SC resolutions!

We could rename the SC after you!

You know, this is a really dumb thing to say. I'm not looking to be "the sole author of the WA" mind you, I wrote this because SC#1 is horribly written and badly needs to disappear. I don't give a shit if someone else wants to repeal that resolution, I just don't want to look at it anymore.
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Postby Frattastan IV » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:25 am

Honeydewistania wrote:Repeal and replaces are common. For example, Condemn Nazi Europe was also repealced and so was Commend 10000 Islands, both very early resolutions.


Those repeals happened for completely different reasons.

Condemn NE was controversial and saw multiple attempts at getting rid of it after its passage. Eventually, SC regulars got fed up with how much attention the topic took, so AMOM solved the issue by passing a second condemnation for a different set of actions (NE's raiding activity) and only repealing SC#3 afterwards.

Commend 10KI was never intended to be replaced by the (pro-raider) author.

And if they were 'common' you should be able to find more than two. :P
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Postby All Wild Things » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:41 am

Kuriko wrote:
All Wild Things wrote:Great idea! Then after all these "repeal and replaces", you can be the sole author of the most SC resolutions!

We could rename the SC after you!

You know, this is a really dumb thing to say. I'm not looking to be "the sole author of the WA" mind you, I wrote this because SC#1 is horribly written and badly needs to disappear. I don't give a shit if someone else wants to repeal that resolution, I just don't want to look at it anymore.

Yeah, I'll accept my statement may be a little over the top.

Is SC1 badly written? I don't think so. By the standards that people require of recent resolutions, it may fall short, agreed. (Yours is very well written, and includes significant detail). But this was the first. It was the precedent to be built on. Repealing and replacing is the equivalent of destroying the original Gilgamesh texts because the author didn't write to modern standards.

I don't follow events in the real world security council. Do they do repeal and replace there?
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Postby New Excalibus » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:44 am

All Wild Things wrote:Great idea! Then after all these "repeal and replaces", you can be the sole author of the most SC resolutions!

We could rename the SC after you!

The Kuriko Council! Heck, delete the entire WA and name it after Maxtopia.
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New Excalibus wrote:
All Wild Things wrote:Great idea! Then after all these "repeal and replaces", you can be the sole author of the most SC resolutions!

We could rename the SC after you!

The Kuriko Council! Heck, delete the entire WA and name it after Maxtopia.

Actually, that's not a bad idea. It says in their signature that they're responsible for increasing the WA character limit, and that's a pretty good accomplishment.
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Isn't there enough "new" content here to make submitting this legal before repealing SC#1, rather than vice versa, to be on the safe side in case the repeal passes but this doesn't?
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Postby Todd McCloud » Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:02 am

Bears Armed wrote:Isn't there enough "new" content here to make submitting this legal before repealing SC#1, rather than vice versa, to be on the safe side in case the repeal passes but this doesn't?

In all seriousness, this would be my worry. A repeal always comes up once every 2-3 months (I get a TG when it happens, cause I'm the guy who wrote this) and there's usually a decent crowd who believes they shouldn't even be condemned cause they're just a small region with only a few nations. A lot of the stuff they did happened before many folks started playing this game. This replacement even misses some of their bigger events, like the attempted refounding of Greece on Christmas. Their raid on Belgium led to liberations being a thing.

Edit 2: Also was responding to the thread in general, not really to Bears. He's been around the block or two when it comes to this game.
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Postby Kuriko » Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:24 pm

Todd McCloud wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:Isn't there enough "new" content here to make submitting this legal before repealing SC#1, rather than vice versa, to be on the safe side in case the repeal passes but this doesn't?

In all seriousness, this would be my worry. A repeal always comes up once every 2-3 months (I get a TG when it happens, cause I'm the guy who wrote this) and there's usually a decent crowd who believes they shouldn't even be condemned cause they're just a small region with only a few nations. A lot of the stuff they did happened before many folks started playing this game. This replacement even misses some of their bigger events, like the attempted refounding of Greece on Christmas. Their raid on Belgium led to liberations being a thing.

Edit 2: Also was responding to the thread in general, not really to Bears. He's been around the block or two when it comes to this game.

I added the Belgium thing. I wasn't sure whether or not that particular piece of information needed to be mentioned, but you're right that its important. I'm working on finding out stuff about Greece, but if you know anything that'd be helpful.
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This is not a bad idea. I like it.
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Postby New Ecopia » Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:04 pm

This will vehemently bring up the standard of WA Laws.
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Postby All Wild Things » Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:41 pm

It's cultural vandalism.
This resolution is nearly ten years old.
If I proposed to refound a region this old, what would your opinion be?

If I said the WFE was "horribly written", would that be justification?
If "I just don't want to look at it anymore"?
"I was bored and wanted something to do"?
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Postby Alkasia » Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:59 pm

All Wild Things wrote:It's cultural vandalism.
This resolution is nearly ten years old.
If I proposed to refound a region this old, what would your opinion be?

If I said the WFE was "horribly written", would that be justification?
If "I just don't want to look at it anymore"?
"I was bored and wanted something to do"?

What on earth are you on about, dude?

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Are you honestly arguing that rewriting a badly-written condemnation is cultural vandalism?
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Postby Erithaca » Sun Nov 25, 2018 1:52 am

SC1 was written poorly. Adding a newer version with higher, more contemporary, writing standards will rectify this without removing the original resolution.

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Postby All Wild Things » Sun Nov 25, 2018 2:54 am

Alkasia wrote:
All Wild Things wrote:It's cultural vandalism.
This resolution is nearly ten years old.
If I proposed to refound a region this old, what would your opinion be?

If I said the WFE was "horribly written", would that be justification?
If "I just don't want to look at it anymore"?
"I was bored and wanted something to do"?

What on earth are you on about, dude?

All Wild Things wrote:It's cultural vandalism.

Are you honestly arguing that rewriting a badly-written condemnation is cultural vandalism?


Yes. If I look at prehistoric cave art, I think most of it is shit, and I could I better. But I recognise that painting over the top of it is a bad idea.

Similarly, I found Anne Frank's diary dull. But I don't feel there's a need for it to be rewritten.

Leave history alone. Documents from the time do not need rewritten.
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Postby Frattastan IV » Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:50 am

The list of colonized regions should be better. Brazil, for example, is one of the regions that has received the most interest from new (Brazilian) players since then, but because of its trophy status its potential to grow and be home to a community has been non-existent. It should definitely be included over Carthage or the Slovak Republic - whom nobody cared about, and probably weren't even home to a community.
The refound of Bulgaria was egregious, but I don't believe there's an IC way to describe it (even assuming that the stories about it were confirmed).

I don't support this, by the way. :P
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Postby Kuriko » Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:56 am

Frattastan IV wrote:The list of colonized regions should be better. Brazil, for example, is one of the regions that has received the most interest from new (Brazilian) players since then, but because of its trophy status its potential to grow and be home to a community has been non-existent. It should definitely be included over Carthage or the Slovak Republic - whom nobody cared about, and probably weren't even home to a community.
The refound of Bulgaria was egregious, but I don't believe there's an IC way to describe it (even assuming that the stories about it were confirmed).

I don't support this, by the way. :P

Rood. Ill look into which regions to use, I don't want to add 60+ names :p
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I've updated my draft to reflect changes.
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Postby Consular » Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:51 am

I'm not sure how I feel about this yet. I'm tentatively in support I think.

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Consular wrote:I'm not sure how I feel about this yet. I'm tentatively in support I think.

Well, tentative support is better than no support :)
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Postby Kuriko » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:19 pm

I'm going to submit this in a few hours, unless there's any more objections over the text or more to add.
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