[DEFEATED] Liberate The Coalition Of Fascist Nations

[Xanthal]

Xanthal does not believe that ideological rebukes constitute a legitimate basis for Liberations. We vote No.

[Cosmopolitan borovan]

At vote

[The Wallenburgian World Assembly Offices]

I remain fully and categorically against offensive liberations, including this one.

[Prydania]

Remember the whole shitstorm with La Navasse? Let's not have that again.

This is such a disingenuous red herring of an argument. La Navasse passed two offensive liberations. One against Nazi Europa and one against Femdom Empire.
The one against Nazi Europa only passed because it's clear that they're Nazis. It's in the name. Femdom passed because they had actual links to Nazi regions. And even then, the Femdom one was repealed because events occurred in game that made it irrelevant.

So for all your whining about La Navasse? He only has one offensive liberation on the books currently, and that only passed because he picked the lowest hanging fruit possible to target.
Meanwhile? Every attempt by La Navasse to target non-fascist regions with offensive liberations failed.

So stop dragging his name up like a spectre to scare away people who are interested in bettering this community by letting Nazis and fascists know they're not welcome.

[Indo-Malaysia]

Remember the whole shitstorm with La Navasse? Let's not have that again.

This is such a disingenuous red herring of an argument. La Navasse passed two offensive liberations. One against Nazi Europa and one against Femdom Empire.
The one against Nazi Europa only passed because it's clear that they're Nazis. It's in the name. Femdom passed because they had actual links to Nazi regions. And even then, the Femdom one was repealed because events occurred in game that made it irrelevant.

So for all your whining about La Navasse? He only has one offensive liberation on the books currently, and that only passed because he picked the lowest hanging fruit possible to target.
Meanwhile? Every attempt by La Navasse to target non-fascist regions with offensive liberations failed.

So stop dragging his name up like a spectre to scare away people who are interested in bettering this community by letting Nazis and fascists know they're not welcome.

Fine then. Give Nazi regions free advertisement in the World Assembly. That'll show em.

[Prydania]

Fine then. Give Nazi regions free advertisement in the World Assembly. That'll show em.

That's a pretty weak argument, really. Fascist regions have been unwelcome in NS since...well...as long as I've been playing. And that's a long time. Offensive liberations against them are merely the latest weapon in the arsenal used to combat their presence. It's only by Max Berry's good graces they're even allowed in this community.

So the notion that it's offensive liberations that give Nazis free advertisement, when the GP community has been working against them for over a decade in one form or another, is just fucking silly to me.

[New Bremerton]

IC: FOR. Our position remains unchanged. We support the offensive liberation of fascist, Marxist-Leninist, Islamist, raider, and ANY and ALL other authoritarian and undemocratic regions that oppress their own people or nations, as well as any regions, regardless of the form of government, that engage in wanton acts of aggression against other peaceful and democratic nations or regions that have done nothing to warrant such a violation of their sovereignty.

[Central Asian Republics]

Against by principle alone. The precedent of offensive liberations set half a year ago is a mockery of what liberations are meant to be used for, and you can be sure that we'll be against any form of this malicious tactic every step of the way and regardless of ideology.

Given how these sort of proposals promote the raiding of regions whose founders have been CTE'd, it would be hypocritical to call out other regions for having a "sheer disregard for peace and self-serving indoctrination".

[Firstaria]

Against, and the proposer of this resolution should be Condemned.

We are officially tired of this "demostrative" fight trought the incorrect use of a WA resolution type which is meant to, and I quote, "A resolution to strike down Delegate-imposed barriers to free entry in a region."

The region targeted has non-executive Delegacy, has a Founder who is still active in regards of regional matters, and the free entry is assured. What you are doing is not proving your ideological ideas, that I do respect and I'm sure will win many debates in this halls; you are disrespecting every single WA Member by making him lose time voting for your "snarky attack" and moreover you are disrescpecting the WASC, reducing it even more like a joke that already is.

Fascism is wrong? Sure. But disrespecting a democratic istitute in this way makes you the pot that calls the kettle black.

[Thuzbekistan]

I would have voted FOR this resolution had it been a condemnation. As it stands, it's just another misuse of the SC which has been proven to attack any region further right than a centrist when it attacked the conservative regions. Under no circumstances will we vote for another offensive liberation.

[Grantonlatis]

WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO TAKE DOWN FASCISM?

You are a libertarian nation who wants to DESTROY fascism? ARE YOU SERIOUS? Tell me, good sir, how would Carter ( our dictator) and any other dictator in the world benefit from this?


I speak for all the dictators in this world, and represent their thoughts by this question

[LiberNovusAmericae]

WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO TAKE DOWN FASCISM?

You are a libertarian nation who wants to DESTROY fascism? ARE YOU SERIOUS? Tell me, good sir, how would Carter ( our dictator) and any other dictator in the world benefit from this?


I speak for all the dictators in this world, and represent their thoughts by this question

Libertarians don't support fascism. Just because we usually oppose the actions taken by the left, does not mean we support your abhorrent ideology. Admittedly, it is somewhat surprising to see a libertarian side with the left in this degree, considering the relatively recent failed attempt at this against a mainstream conservative region.

[Tinhampton]

the proposer of this resolution should be Condemned

We are officially tired of this "demostrative" fight trought the incorrect use of a WA resolution type which is meant to, and I quote, "A resolution to strike down Delegate-imposed barriers to free entry in a region."

As I've said earlier, Liberations are not supposed to be used in a particular way, whether through game coding or Commandment of Mod; there have been plenty which have intended to build up to an attack on regions, and many more supposed to prevent their passwording by invaders.

As it stands, it's just another misuse of the SC which has been proven to attack any region further right than a centrist when it attacked the conservative regions

Actually, only once was it aimed at a vanilla-flavour conservative region, and that was discarded after being defeated by a margin of three to one - about the same margin this one's getting ROFLstomped by as of now - due to the fact that it was submitted using a WA multi puppet of a member state of the targetted region's separatist arch-enemies. The player behind this nation also considers herself to be a right-wing libertarian (LiberNovusAmericae's reasoning about this proposal above is very similar to my own ideas - freedom doesn't mean the freedom to suppress freedom!).

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Fine then. Give Nazi regions free advertisement in the World Assembly. That'll show em.

NE and KAISERREICH have both seen their populations fall (or, in the former case, collapse) since their Liberations passed; the CCD is presumably still recruiting ruthlessly and have been since July, I suppose? I'm not sure, but any benefits in advertisement gained by having one's region being subject to a vote for offensive Liberation are, in a natural state, cancelled out eventually.

[Grantonlatis]

WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO TAKE DOWN FASCISM?

You are a libertarian nation who wants to DESTROY fascism? ARE YOU SERIOUS? Tell me, good sir, how would Carter ( our dictator) and any other dictator in the world benefit from this?


I speak for all the dictators in this world, and represent their thoughts by this question

Libertarians don't support fascism. Just because we usually oppose the actions taken by the left, does not mean we support your abhorrent ideology. Admittedly, it is somewhat surprising to see a libertarian side with the left in this degree, considering the relatively recent failed attempt at this against a mainstream conservative region.

I didn't mean it as that, I know Libertarian is not fascism, my wording was just a little off. I'm just saying, I need a reason as to why we need to take them down. What are the reasons for the ideology behind this?

[Ragnaria]

Eh, not sure what the point is, vote against, wont do a thing.

[Cathon]

I vote against any liberation resolution intended to leave a region open to invasion. This is a misuse and overstep of power from the WA. The Security Council's mission should be solely focused on peace, not invasion. Ideology be damned.

[Wrapper]

NOTING that the CoFN has always actively promoted fascism (especially to the youth), a repugnant ideology that has tainted countless nations and regions, whether by choice or by force; the CoFN's founder-led government has also spied upon and violently dealt with its domestic critics;

Wouldn't "(especially to the youth)" be a real life reference and therefore break SC rule 4 section a?

No.

[Jocospor]

Disgusting. Absolutely appalling. We're shocked to our foundations. Now, of course, don't get us wrong, we love our shiny badge - truly, it's beautiful, no really!

We also have near 200 endorsements for our Delegate, and a defensive system that will prevent the Confederation from ever being raided. CoFN has 10 endorsements for their Delegate.

If this endeavour satisfies the author, we recommend similarly satisfying experiences, such as stealing toddlers' ice-creams.

[Xoriet]

We also have near 200 endorsements for our Delegate, and a defensive system that will prevent the Confederation from ever being raided.

Sweet summer child. How little you understand just how creative a motivated NSGP really is when it comes to a tantalizing raid target. Your only foolproof defense is your founder.

[The Confederation of Arab States]

We also have near 200 endorsements for our Delegate, and a defensive system that will prevent the Confederation from ever being raided.

Sweet summer child. How little you understand just how creative a motivated NSGP really is when it comes to a tantalizing raid target. Your only foolproof defense is your founder.

Never mind their second most endorsed nation has 130 endorsements.

[Tinhampton]

If this endeavour satisfies the author, we recommend similarly satisfying experiences, such as stealing toddlers' ice-creams.

I would never do that - I only ever purchase the chocolate-iest of ice creams from my local supermarket! that being said, at the rate this vote is going, I might as well have it straight from the tub during the wee hours of Friday morning

[Indo-Malaysia]

Currently, this is failing at roughly 2,000 for and 6,000 against.

If you wish to not legitimise and advertise fascist regions, vote against. With an active founder and non-executive delegate, this serves only to clutter the SC and waste time.

[Jocospor]

We also have near 200 endorsements for our Delegate, and a defensive system that will prevent the Confederation from ever being raided.

Sweet summer child. How little you understand just how creative a motivated NSGP really is when it comes to a tantalizing raid target. Your only foolproof defense is your founder.

Sweet summer child. We are the founder.

[Indo-Malaysia]

Sweet summer child. How little you understand just how creative a motivated NSGP really is when it comes to a tantalizing raid target. Your only foolproof defense is your founder.

Sweet summer child. We are the founder.

We are number one- Hey!

[Xoriet]

Sweet summer child. How little you understand just how creative a motivated NSGP really is when it comes to a tantalizing raid target. Your only foolproof defense is your founder.

Sweet summer child. We are the founder.

I’m aware you are. Your antics here have earned you way more attention than anyone should be giving you normally. And when you’re gone, either via DEAT or retirement, we’re waiting.

As for this region, not sure a Liberation is super necessary at this point in time, but we’ll see.