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Haha Jesus the amount of shameless internationalists on this forum is astonishing
You dummies need to learn not everything needs to be taken care of by Daddy WA (Warmongering Anuses)

We, the People's Hindu Matriarchy of Shaktirajya, hereby vote FOR this resolution as We support any effort to support the environment and human welfare at the expense of private industry.

Vaktaha Samajavadinaha Matapradhanikachakrasya Shaktirajyasya

Even though we are a progressive nation, we dont think this bill should be passed due to its under-clarification of the phrase "unreasonably impinge on the health, safety, and well-being of people or of the environment". What do u mean by "unreasonably impinge"? I am not sure whether our point of view regarding "unreasonably impinge" is the same as your "unreasonably impinge".

We are a nation who has been the victim of many crappy WA bills which were supposed to increase our civil rights rating, boost the economy of our country and depress the corruption rate. It's been a long time since we last raised our voice in this WA forum. Thus we believe we have had enough!!!!
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Ambassador to the WA on behalf of the people of the Federation of Gonadez as well as its vassal, the Kingdom of Dathar

"The esteemed World Assembly, our nation is one that supports protections on the natural environment and strong occupational health and safety standards in a business environment. Additionally, we strongly encourage businesses to act in a sustainable manner that does not compromise the needs of future generations. However, we voice objection to this resolution on a number of vague and overly assertive stipulations.

For example, the first clause that states

1). Authorizes member nations to Involuntarily Dissolve any privately-owned business operations within their territories if those operations unreasonably impinge on the health, safety, and well-being of people or of the environment;

Would legalize the right to remove any business in the private sector from a nation's territory under what we feel is a vaguely worded premise. How do we define operations that "unreasonably impinge" on health, safety, and the well-being of people or the environment? The phrase "well-being of people" can also be openly interpreted to mean many different things by member nations. Finally, the fact that a governing body has the power to dissolve at will any privately-owned business under these vague terms could create a very unfriendly business environment and potentially hurt our economic standing.

As a result of these objections, we must vote against this resolution."

If there are countries that have low wages and low environmental standards, a company producing something is more inclined to produce in the country if all costs for doing business there is less than it would be for making the product in or near the place where it's sold to the consumer. It's basic business. I'm not being political, it's just the facts. The computers you play this game on are likely made in some Asian country. If you have a custom one, tje components are likely built.

* FEUDIAN doctrine dictates the missile targeting strike option of any& all subversive fruit loopy weaseling weaslenut nations with the " Deployed, Unit, Multiple, Bomb, Canisters, Utilizing, Nano, Technology Sterilization"
Leader SANS UNDERPANTS currently admits to having but a mere half A handful orbiting satellite launch platforms, floating around up there outta' sight fer all those He deems ,,,,
D.U.M.B. C.U.N.T.S.,,, but rocket assisted artillery single units of the D.U.M.B. C.U.N.T.S. are have been proven viable in attaining a low earth orbit ,albeit of a short lived nature,,, but,,, HE'S WORKING ON THAT "too"*


the ROUGE NATION of Melon feud has instructed me to cast their illustrious VOTE in the NEGATORY & NO WAY YOU HOSER JOSE'S,,,thank you!


* Nations verbal response was presented by a mere " nobody " regular MELON FEUDIAN who will never have to pay taxes again in his LIFE,,, EVER! after conducting his NATIONS requested service.

* FEUDIAN doctrine dictates the missile targeting strike option of any& all subversive fruit loopy weaseling weaslenut nations with the " Deployed, Unit, Multiple, Bomb, Canisters, Utilizing, Nano, Technology Sterilization"
Leader SANS UNDERPANTS currently admits to having but a mere half A handful orbiting satellite launch platforms, floating around up there outta' sight fer all those He deems ,,,,
D.U.M.B. C.U.N.T.S.,,, but rocket assisted artillery single units of the D.U.M.B. C.U.N.T.S. are have been proven viable in attaining a low earth orbit ,albeit of a short lived nature,,, but,,, HE'S WORKING ON THAT "too"*


the ROUGE NATION of Melon feud has instructed me to cast their illustrious VOTE in the NEGATORY & NO WAY YOU HOSER JOSE'S,,,thank you!


* Nations verbal response was presented by a mere " nobody " regular MELON FEUDIAN who will never have to pay taxes again in his LIFE,,, EVER! after conducting his NATIONS requested service.

looking at the delegate voting, TNP, TWP, TEP, Europe, 100000 islands, CCD has voted no. But TSP, TP, TRR, voted yes. Small delegates and individual vote are split.

In the Name of the Eternal Kawaii, may the Cute One be praised

Our region is evenly divided on the proposal, so we're voting for ourselves. While we appreciate the desire to protect health and welfare here, this is another example of WA meddling in national sovereignty. So, for the time being we're voting Nay.

The nation of Terra Papagalli stongly supports this act.

The Empire of Malachov strongly opposes this act and its implications upon member states, due to vague clauses and what we see as a blatant overreach by this assembly.

I feel a nation has the right to choose it's own limits on industries.

Bronghus Phidalskis Gutter Bozo Funhouse wrote:Haha Jesus the amount of shameless internationalists on this forum is astonishing
You dummies need to learn not everything needs to be taken care of by Daddy WA (Warmongering Anuses)

You say this whilst failing to consider that Imperium Anglorum and Separatist Peoples, two of the most consistent IntFeds over here, have actually voted against this proposal. Tinhampton is also AGAINST on the grounds that this act would encourage nations to go overkill on the corporate termination.

After close consultation with the Prime Minister Extraordinaire, and a round table discussion with corporations - large and small, from across our great nation, Awesomepotomia stands in opposition to this proposal. Although we are a progressive nation with a keen interest in preserving our natural environment, this bill would facilitate that seizure of businesses by states based on vague thresholds of what qualifies as "unreasonable."

Awesomepotomia uses nuclear power to supplement its off shore wind farms. Under the guise of this proposal, the state could radically alter its policies to determine that nuclear disposal places an unreasonable strain on the environment, and seize the plants. What recourse would exist for the corporation in this instance? With a clause allowing individual nations to make those determinations, this proposal lacks uniformity, and would simply result in government overreach and encourage corrupt practices.

Another concern relates to the requirement that all standards must apply equally. Awesomepotomia subsidizes businesses who act in a manner consistent with the government's long-term goals, and this proposal would prevent certain industries from existing, namely those in the scientific fields where Awesomepotomia is a world leader, unless our standards of enforcement were so lax as to be irrelevant and ineffectual.

Therefore, it is with regret and respect that Awesomepotomia lodges its vote against this resolution.

OOC:In my opinion this looks like a legitimate formation of an international law similar to the laws governed by OSHA in the USA

IC: We the United States of Americanas General Assembly Vote in support of this legislation.

*our ambassador gets up*

We, from the nation of Integralists of Brazil, believe that the World Assembly shouldn't meddle in national affairs. Even though the protection of the people and environment are important, this Resolution can impede some nations' economic growth - it isn't possible to take care of the people or the environment if the nation doesn't have money for it. Therefore, we vote AGAINST this Resolution.

*our ambassador sits down*

Dear General Assembly,

The Great Nation of Liberty is whole-heartedly against this resolution! It has the potential to damage and halt the economic growth of fledgling and new nations! If the workers want to change the system they will have to mention it themselves. The General Assembly should not hold their hands, they are people and people are capable of handling themselves!

Sincerely, Bill D, Roberts - President of The Great Nation of Liberty

United States of Americanas wrote:OOC:In my opinion this looks like a legitimate formation of an international law similar to the laws governed by OSHA in the USA

OOC: Actually, no, there is nothing in the OSH Act that allows for the dissolution of private corporations for being unsafe. OSHA can only impose fines and, in the most egregious cases, force shutdown of unsafe operations. The latter is extremely rare and would require a court order; OSHA cannot do it on its own.

Comrades! Sapitna endorses this resolution with heart, for we affirm that it will help end the tyranny of capitalistic greed on the world. We firmly hold that capitalism is inherently against the wellbeing of the working masses, and we fully endorse any measures, however small, to bring the blood-lust of the bourgeois oppressors to justice.

Sapitna wrote:Comrades! Sapitna endorses this resolution with heart, for we affirm that it will help end the tyranny of capitalistic greed on the world. We firmly hold that capitalism is inherently against the wellbeing of the working masses, and we fully endorse any measures, however small, to bring the blood-lust of the bourgeois oppressors to justice.

"Of course the Communists would support such a resolution without contemplating the fact that it would put the masses OUT OF WORK! How does unemployment better their station?"

The Manticoran Empire wrote:

Sapitna wrote:Comrades! Sapitna endorses this resolution with heart, for we affirm that it will help end the tyranny of capitalistic greed on the world. We firmly hold that capitalism is inherently against the wellbeing of the working masses, and we fully endorse any measures, however small, to bring the blood-lust of the bourgeois oppressors to justice.

"Of course the Communists would support such a resolution without contemplating the fact that it would put the masses OUT OF WORK! How does unemployment better their station?"

My friend, marxian theory gives the answer! Lower the work of the people, automate industry! It is only bad in capitalism, but as socialists we enjoy the ability to live our lives and not slave away.

Sapitna wrote:

The Manticoran Empire wrote:"Of course the Communists would support such a resolution without contemplating the fact that it would put the masses OUT OF WORK! How does unemployment better their station?"

My friend, marxian theory gives the answer! Lower the work of the people, automate industry! It is only bad in capitalism, but as socialists we enjoy the ability to live our lives and not slave away.

"Well I'm sure the starvation of millions will make it easier.

Also, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of Mr. Marx, who believed that the Worker is valued if they work. He believed that Automation was the ultimate evil of Capitalism as it made the Worker replaceable and worthless."

The Manticoran Empire wrote:

Sapitna wrote:

My friend, marxian theory gives the answer! Lower the work of the people, automate industry! It is only bad in capitalism, but as socialists we enjoy the ability to live our lives and not slave away.

"Well I'm sure the starvation of millions will make it easier.

Also, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of Mr. Marx, who believed that the Worker is valued if they work. He believed that Automation was the ultimate evil of Capitalism as it made the Worker replaceable and worthless."

My friend, marx spoke for automation even back then! The people are worth everything no matter their work, my friend, and Sapitna fully supports all movements to give workers the right to their own say. And what of starvation? Sapitna flourishes, unlike capitalists where food is not seen as the human right it is.

Sapitna wrote:

The Manticoran Empire wrote:"Well I'm sure the starvation of millions will make it easier.

Also, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of Mr. Marx, who believed that the Worker is valued if they work. He believed that Automation was the ultimate evil of Capitalism as it made the Worker replaceable and worthless."

My friend, marx spoke for automation even back then! The people are worth everything no matter their work, my friend, and Sapitna fully supports all movements to give workers the right to their own say. And what of starvation? Sapitna flourishes, unlike capitalists where food is not seen as the human right it is.

"Food, made by a person, is the right of another person? You are saying that you have the right to the fruits of another person's labor, which is the definition of slavery."

Ambassadors, could you kindly take your Adam Smith vs. Karl Marx fight to a forum that is not the chamber floor and allow us to continue the debate over the legislation.

OOC: This is getting close to thread jacking.