[DEFEATED/DISCARDED] Lib. Federation Of Conservative Nations

[Cedoria]

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Are you as sickened by the behavior of those in FCN? If not, then what sickens you is probably not something anyone should worry about.

what sickens me is using a supposedly neutral body of the site for your own petty machinations. There is no honor in that.

and like i said before, unit I see direct evidence that FCN is secretly fascist, then they are not fascist. Conservative, yes. Fascist, no.

I'm not using it for anything. I neither wrote the resolution nor know who did. I'm just a supporter of the resolution.

I also never claimed that they were secret Fascist, nor do I care. There behavior is what concerns me here, not their ideology.

[Gagium]

You could always telegram me and see for yourself what I have to offer, unless you are afraid of evidence that goes against what you believe?

Not at all. Send me whatever you have.

Very well then, check your telegrams. Feel free to send to anyone else concerned about such behavior

[Jocospor]

The Delegate's Office has only briefly skimmed the thread thus far.

Well, after much deliberation, we've decided to vote for this resolution. Although there is absolutely no chance of them getting it, we believe the FCN deserves a nice, shiny badge like we've got!

This abuse of the Security Council does absolutely nothing to reassure the general public that the World Assembly in its current state is not a complete and utter farce.

The timer is ticking...

[Visionary Union]

Well, it seems that this liberation attempt won't pass. True, I voted for it but didn't expect the rest of the WA to support it, since the SC has overused its power with liberation after liberation proposals, despite a growing number of independent nations who voted against those resolutions, but in some cases, the delegates' power was enough to overcome those votes. In my opinion, the FCN knows that they're on the WA sights and will be monitored closely, so changes will be coming to their region.

However, we at the SC should immediately cease any and all of the liberation attempts for quite a while now, to avoid further shuttering the trust in this body.

[Calamari]

Agreed. Regardless of edgy jokes in poor taste, nothing or no one seems to be suffering, except the egos of the people who wrote this resolution

Says the one with the Iron Cross on his flag, I presume you're a great judge of knowing whose offended by FCN's actions and who isn't.

Regardless of the result, I hope that FCN does reform, and would be open to revising my support in future if a thorough cleanup is made. I am very, very skeptical, as I must confess I don't know the people involved and have no reason to suspect their bona fides, but if they prove it, then as far as I'm concerned, that's a good thing. If this Resolution wakes them up that serious changes are needed, then that's good.

But I'm not holding my breath.

1. RP, I said that in another part, I’m playing Germany.
2. I haven’t seen any lynchings or pride marches on the news by these people.
3. They’ve had their act cleaned up long before this liberation, it is suspected some of the people who were being racist actually wrote this liberation, but that’s speculation.

[Thuzbekistan]

Well, it seems that this liberation attempt won't pass. True, I voted for it but didn't expect the rest of the WA to support it, since the SC has overused its power with liberation after liberation proposals, despite a growing number of independent nations who voted against those resolutions, but in some cases, the delegates' power was enough to overcome those votes. In my opinion, the FCN knows that they're on the WA sights and will be monitored closely, so changes will be coming to their region.

However, we at the SC should immediately cease any and all of the liberation attempts for quite a while now, not avoid further shuttering the trust in this body.

It is worth noting that the individual nations voting against this liberation would defeat this bill alone even if every delegate that voted against didnt vote at all.

[Visionary Union]

Well, it seems that this liberation attempt won't pass. True, I voted for it but didn't expect the rest of the WA to support it, since the SC has overused its power with liberation after liberation proposals, despite a growing number of independent nations who voted against those resolutions, but in some cases, the delegates' power was enough to overcome those votes. In my opinion, the FCN knows that they're on the WA sights and will be monitored closely, so changes will be coming to their region.

However, we at the SC should immediately cease any and all of the liberation attempts for quite a while now, not avoid further shuttering the trust in this body.

It is worth noting that the individual nations voting against this liberation would defeat this bill alone even if every delegate that voted against didnt vote at all.

A sad point which proves my claims to be correct. The SC has lost much of it's credibility, and for good reason.

[Kuriko]

Well, it seems that this liberation attempt won't pass. True, I voted for it but didn't expect the rest of the WA to support it, since the SC has overused its power with liberation after liberation proposals, despite a growing number of independent nations who voted against those resolutions, but in some cases, the delegates' power was enough to overcome those votes. In my opinion, the FCN knows that they're on the WA sights and will be monitored closely, so changes will be coming to their region.

However, we at the SC should immediately cease any and all of the liberation attempts for quite a while now, not avoid further shuttering the trust in this body.

We can't stop all of the liberation attempts. Liberations are needed to pass when raiders threaten to destroy regions in a regular raid.

[Visionary Union]

Well, it seems that this liberation attempt won't pass. True, I voted for it but didn't expect the rest of the WA to support it, since the SC has overused its power with liberation after liberation proposals, despite a growing number of independent nations who voted against those resolutions, but in some cases, the delegates' power was enough to overcome those votes. In my opinion, the FCN knows that they're on the WA sights and will be monitored closely, so changes will be coming to their region.

However, we at the SC should immediately cease any and all of the liberation attempts for quite a while now, not avoid further shuttering the trust in this body.

We can't stop all of the liberation attempts. Liberations are needed to pass when raiders threaten to destroy regions in a regular raid.

True, but look at the amount of liberation attempts recently- it will be unhealthy for the council to propose another in the near future.

[Clodius]

We can't stop all of the liberation attempts. Liberations are needed to pass when raiders threaten to destroy regions in a regular raid.

Attempting to "reclaim" regions from raiders is just ideological warfare waged by defenders to silence the ideological opinions of those they disagree with! No one ever liberates defender held regions. Besides, they're not really raiders, they just make raider jokes on discord.

The Security Council has become a meme. It should be referred to its original purpose, commending and condemning! Any thing else is evil and stalinist, probably.

[Lord Dominator]

This abuse of the Security Council does absolutely nothing to reassure the general public that the World Assembly in its current state is not a complete and utter farce.

The general public doesn't care

We can't stop all of the liberation attempts. Liberations are needed to pass when raiders threaten to destroy regions in a regular raid.

Attempting to "reclaim" regions from raiders is just ideological warfare waged by defenders to silence the ideological opinions of those they disagree with! No one ever liberates defender held regions. Besides, they're not really raiders, they just make raider jokes on discord.

The Security Council has become a meme. It should be referred to its original purpose, commending and condemning! Any thing else is evil and stalinist, probably.

Truth

[Thuzbekistan]

We can't stop all of the liberation attempts. Liberations are needed to pass when raiders threaten to destroy regions in a regular raid.

Attempting to "reclaim" regions from raiders is just ideological warfare waged by defenders to silence the ideological opinions of those they disagree with! No one ever liberates defender held regions. Besides, they're not really raiders, they just make raider jokes on discord.

The Security Council has become a meme. It should be referred to its original purpose, commending and condemning! Any thing else is evil and stalinist, probably.

Raiding is still the dumbest thing to ever be done here. Ti think people like destroying communities.

Raiders are the only thing the SC should be against.

[Visionary Union]

This abuse of the Security Council does absolutely nothing to reassure the general public that the World Assembly in its current state is not a complete and utter farce.

The general public doesn't care
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Oh? Have a look at the vote more independent nations voting against than the total sum for votes.

[Cekoviu]

you do realize that backdoor racist and homophobic discussion is exactly what conservative means nowadays, right?

Backdoor antisemitism wasn’t worthy of your time?

i did not see that mentioned, but that would not be something i'd typically expect of people who consider themselves conservatives.

[Caracasus]

Backdoor antisemitism wasn’t worthy of your time?

i did not see that mentioned, but that would not be something i'd typically expect of people who consider themselves conservatives.

Pretty sure Disraeli might disagree on that one... mind you that was some time ago.

[Lord Dominator]

The general public doesn't care
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Oh? Have a look at the vote more independent nations voting against than the total sum for votes.

So? That has nothing to do with my point that the average nation doesn't think of the WA as a farce, and everything to do with how the super-delegates decided to vote.

[New Bremerton]

I telegrammed Gagium earlier today and he hasn't responded so far. I'm going to take his word for it and assume he genuinely regrets some of the stuff he said over on the Discord server. It's possible I may have seriously misjudged the present-day FCN. I do think they're trying their hardest to clean up the mess that other people created, and it is even possible that this "liberation" was actually written by another "conservative" region many have accused of actually being both fascist and extremely aggressive, antagonistic and vindictive. I said earlier that I would have nothing to do with the FCN until or unless they cleaned up their act, and that they deserve a condemnation. I take that back and apologize. The FCN is definitely NOT a fascist region. The so-called "anti-fascist" leftist nations who have been supporting this unjustified liberation must realize that they have been subjecting the FCN to a show trial all this time, cherry-picking bits and pieces of "evidence" to satisfy their anti-fascist ideological bloodlust. If this was an actual court of law, I think the defendant would be found not guilty. Thankfully, the court of NS public opinion has found the defendant not guilty. I'm determined not to make the same mistake myself. I'm still trying to formulate a fair and coherent foreign policy for New Bremerton. Witch-hunting is the last thing I want to do.

Thoroughly AGAINST.

Edit: Also, I think the "anti-fascist" nations who have subjected the FCN to this kind of geopolitical harassment deserve a condemnation for their conduct, while the fascists who infiltrated the region should not only be liberated, but deleted from NS altogether.

[Clodius]

Raiding is still the dumbest thing to ever be done here. Ti think people like destroying communities.

Raiders are the only thing the SC should be against.

Raiders don't like destroying communities, they just roleplay that they do. Besides, the SC shouldn't be against a particular ideology.

[Visionary Union]

Oh? Have a look at the vote more independent nations voting against than the total sum for votes.

So? That has nothing to do with my point that the average nation doesn't think of the WA as a farce, and everything to do with how the super-delegates decided to vote.

The general public, those who didn't join the WA don't care about this, true enough. However, the nations that did join do care about what the SC is doing, which is why we're seeing this reaction.

[All Wild Things]

I haven't read the whole thread.. Can someone help me with the TL;DR version?

It sounds to me like people in the region, including the region founder, made real life racist, homophobic, and / or anti-semetic comments. Some of those people later left the region. The founder has since expressed regret.
The consensus (in terms of votes) is that this is not deserving of a Liberation.

Have I missed anything significant?

Thanks in advance

[Myrkvifiord]

Can you all TG me the evidence for the fascism? Thx

[Kuriko]

We can't stop all of the liberation attempts. Liberations are needed to pass when raiders threaten to destroy regions in a regular raid.

Attempting to "reclaim" regions from raiders is just ideological warfare waged by defenders to silence the ideological opinions of those they disagree with! No one ever liberates defender held regions. Besides, they're not really raiders, they just make raider jokes on discord.

The Security Council has become a meme. It should be referred to its original purpose, commending and condemning! Any thing else is evil and stalinist, probably.

Stupidity, not truth.

[Clodius]

Stupidity, not truth.

Why? Why is it stupid to protect all ideologies from Security Council intervention? What makes fascists, Nazis, homophobes, and racists any more deserving of protection than raiders? Why are the people who snatch others internet property somehow worse than those who actively advocate for the destruction of real, actual people?

What's stupid of the idea that we shouldn't intervene against genocidal authoritarians but should intervene against those sick bastards who DARE change a region's WFE and embassies. Because, you know, internet graffiti is evil and wrong.

[Kuriko]

Stupidity, not truth.

Why? Why is it stupid to protect all ideologies from Security Council intervention? What makes fascists, Nazis, homophobes, and racists any more deserving of protection than raiders? Why are the people who snatch others internet property somehow worse than those who actively advocate for the destruction of real, actual people?

What's stupid of the idea that we shouldn't intervene against genocidal authoritarians but should intervene against those sick bastards who DARE change a region's WFE and embassies. Because, you know, internet graffiti is evil and wrong.

Its not just graffiti, its the destruction of communities that grew up over months and sometimes even years. You should get your facts straight before coming into the SC, which is highly anti-raider when it comes to raid occupations. Also, raiding and defending are not comparable to what you're comparing them to so you should stop. Raiders raid because they either want to have fun or because they like being internet bad guys, defenders defend because they either want to have fun or because they morraly think its wrong to raid and destroy communities. There's no ideology involved unless its left vs right, or similar things like a made up NS ideology against another NS ideology.

[Calamari]

The so-called "anti-fascist" leftist nations who have been supporting this unjustified liberation must realize that they have been subjecting the FCN to a show trial all this time, cherry-picking bits and pieces of "evidence" to satisfy their anti-fascist ideological bloodlust.

If making a mistake (especially a minor one, like saying a no no word in a private group) months ago is enough to brand you a fascist...
We are all doomed. Every single one of us.