[DEFEATED/DISCARDED] Lib. Federation Of Conservative Nations

[Eminople]

I wanna ask you a question. Do you believe a region should be liberated because of outliers who don't represent the whole region said racist comments and had fascist ideas?

When those "outliers" include the Founder and the Senate Speaker, and when the region at large doesn't take any action whatsoever to stop it, yes.

I'd like to see this evidence. Because if the spoiler at the bottom of your post was the evidence then is the worst evidence I've ever seen. That isn't racist nor fascist whatsoever.

[Burninati0n]

Alright, just the most important question in this entire proposal and you can't answer it... no problem

This nation, claiming to be a representative of a non-fascist region, literally has in its signature that it is "Pro white lives."

Here's the bottom line on this whole discussion I've read.

1) There are a bunch of nations in this region that are clearly fascist or played by fascists.
2) There are screenshots of clear fascists being fascist.
3) There were some promises of questionable veracity made to make the region not-fascist.
4) There are also arguments that the "open fascists," or "real fascists" in the region have left or been banned.

But like, I don't know why we would care only about "open fascists." This is a screenshot of a post on Stormfront, which is an online forum for fascists.


Claiming not to be a fascist is exactly what a fascist would say.

But anyway, having "pro white lives" and "anti LGBT+" is a very open dogwhistle.

In conclusion:
1) FCN looks to me like a fascist region,
2) Fascism is bad
3) Therefore FCN should be condemned.

I've never been a fan of the liberates-as-condemnations thing, though, which is why I haven't voted with my WA puppet.

But this "argument" over whether FCN is really fascist seems............... misguided. I mean, the region's defenders have literal "anti lgbt+" and "pro white lives" comments in their signatures; is it relevant whether they're willing to self-label as "fascist"?

[Kavagrad]

When those "outliers" include the Founder and the Senate Speaker, and when the region at large doesn't take any action whatsoever to stop it, yes.

I'd like to see this evidence. Because if the spoiler at the bottom of your post was the evidence then is the worst evidence I've ever seen. That isn't racist nor fascist whatsoever.

Yeah, that's called by forum signature? You'll find that at the bottom of all of my posts.

The TG is coming your way, though.

[Calamari]

you do realize that backdoor racist and homophobic discussion is exactly what conservative means nowadays, right?

Since we are strawmanning

"Super-Predators"

[Eminople]

I'd like to see this evidence. Because if the spoiler at the bottom of your post was the evidence then is the worst evidence I've ever seen. That isn't racist nor fascist whatsoever.

Yeah, that's called by forum signature? You'll find that at the bottom of all of my posts.

The TG is coming your way, though.

Sorry about that, I don't use the forum that much so I thought it was your evidence.

[RiderSyl]

At least it appears that the idea of being liberated pressured this region's community into cleaning up its act.

[Calamari]

It is alleged, you can't call an entire region of 110+ nations racists over the comments of only 4 people made months ago, not to mention that the most offending members are all banned now. Your argument is that we should liberate the FCN due to the comments of only a handful of people, now I ask, would you liberate communist regions just because only a handful of communists directly caused the deaths of millions of people?

I'm not addressing a question based on a false equivalency.

Because answering that question would bring unholy backlash against the neo-liberals who think offensive libs are a worthy expenditure of time for the WA.

[Gagium]

Alright, just the most important question in this entire proposal and you can't answer it... no problem

This nation, claiming to be a representative of a non-fascist region, literally has in its signature that it is "Pro white lives."

Here's the bottom line on this whole discussion I've read.

1) There are a bunch of nations in this region that are clearly fascist or played by fascists.
2) There are screenshots of clear fascists being fascist.
3) There were some promises of questionable veracity made to make the region not-fascist.
4) There are also arguments that the "open fascists," or "real fascists" in the region have left or been banned.

But like, I don't know why we would care only about "open fascists." This is a screenshot of a post on Stormfront, which is an online forum for fascists.


Claiming not to be a fascist is exactly what a fascist would say.

But anyway, having "pro white lives" and "anti LGBT+" is a very open dogwhistle.

In conclusion:
1) FCN looks to me like a fascist region,
2) Fascism is bad
3) Therefore FCN should be condemned.

I've never been a fan of the liberates-as-condemnations thing, though, which is why I haven't voted with my WA puppet.

But this "argument" over whether FCN is really fascist seems............... misguided. I mean, the region's defenders have literal "anti lgbt+" and "pro white lives" comments in their signatures; is it relevant whether they're willing to self-label as "fascist"?

Posts like this is why I have no faith in humanity. From what I gathered, you’re using posts made by users banned from the FCN or who have ceased making these kinds of crude jokes months ago to claim that the FCN is fascist, and then you use a post from a fascist thread about real life fascist movements (and how to gain power) and compare it to the FCN somehow, despite the fact that the people you are accusing of being “fascists” that are still in the FCN are already in power.

Dude.

[Kavagrad]

I'm not addressing a question based on a false equivalency.

Because answering that question would bring unholy backlash against the neo-liberals who think offensive libs are a worthy expenditure of time for the WA.

No? Because it is based on a false equivalency. If you read a few posts on, I answer the question that Viridus was trying to ask.

Too hasty, by far.

[Viridus]

Alright, just the most important question in this entire proposal and you can't answer it... no problem

This nation, claiming to be a representative of a non-fascist region, literally has in its signature that it is "Pro white lives."

Here's the bottom line on this whole discussion I've read.

1) There are a bunch of nations in this region that are clearly fascist or played by fascists.
2) There are screenshots of clear fascists being fascist.
3) There were some promises of questionable veracity made to make the region not-fascist.
4) There are also arguments that the "open fascists," or "real fascists" in the region have left or been banned.

But like, I don't know why we would care only about "open fascists." This is a screenshot of a post on Stormfront, which is an online forum for fascists.


Claiming not to be a fascist is exactly what a fascist would say.

But anyway, having "pro white lives" and "anti LGBT+" is a very open dogwhistle.

In conclusion:
1) FCN looks to me like a fascist region,
2) Fascism is bad
3) Therefore FCN should be condemned.

I've never been a fan of the liberates-as-condemnations thing, though, which is why I haven't voted with my WA puppet.

But this "argument" over whether FCN is really fascist seems............... misguided. I mean, the region's defenders have literal "anti lgbt+" and "pro white lives" comments in their signatures; is it relevant whether they're willing to self-label as "fascist"?

First of all, since when has "anti-lgbt" and "pro white lives" ever been strictly fascist? The pro-white lives is a response to me being anti-BLM... and are you anti-white lives? But I should note, I'm against the organization, not black lives. Also, I'm anti-lgbt as I'm Christian, I don't agree with it but I wouldn't say anything threatening to them, I'd rather calmly debate them if given the chance

[Viridus]

At least it appears that the idea of being liberated pressured this region's community into cleaning up its act.

The community has been clean for a long time, the liberation proposal has had no affect on it

[RiderSyl]

At least it appears that the idea of being liberated pressured this region's community into cleaning up its act.

The community has been clean for a long time, the liberation proposal has had no affect on it

Then what are New Waldensia's reforms for?

[Viridus]

The community has been clean for a long time, the liberation proposal has had no affect on it

Then what are New Waldensia's reforms for?

Hmm?

[Spode Humbled Minions]

The community has been clean for a long time, the liberation proposal has had no affect on it

Then what are New Waldensia's reforms for?

To calm down the hypestorm surrounding the three month old comments?

[EDIT]
I'd also note that you who one of the big supporters of the KAISERREICH liberation- That liberation that did jack-squat, if you believe that there's a continuing issue in FCN, then why would you go with an approach that's been shown to not work at all?

[Gagium]

I’ll re-iterate this: The proposal is a pathetic attempt to get revenge on the FCN, likely orchestrated by members of the UCS. The images have been in use and circulation for months, withheld until a few days ago by them. Hell, they even threatened the proposal against us a few weeks ago.

The twist? The individual from the UCS who threatened the proposal and to “expose” the FCN’s racism is shown in half the evidence for being racist! However, he seems to have continued this behavior, as I’ve seen from recent weeks.

https://prnt.sc/l1umr3

[Spode Humbled Minions]

I’ll re-iterate this: The proposal is a pathetic attempt to get revenge on the FCN, likely orchestrated by members of the UCS. The images have been in use and circulation for months, withheld until a few days ago by them. Hell, they even threatened the proposal against us a few weeks ago.

The twist? The individual from the UCS who threatened the proposal and to “expose” the FCN’s racism is shown in half the evidence for being racist! However, he seems to have continued this behavior, as I’ve seen from recent weeks.

https://prnt.sc/l1umr3

To build on this with a comparison, it would be the equivalent of

...Having a roommate write the n-word on your wall- Running away, and calling your landlord. Wut?

[RiderSyl]

Then what are New Waldensia's reforms for?

Hmm?

New Waldensia, your Sectratary of Internal Affairs, is pursuing reforms to tackle "hateful and grotesque speech" in the FCN community. That's according to your regional ally, Right to Life.

It's strange that I, some random person on the Security Council knows this, but you, a "Senate Speaker" in FCN, doesn't...

Then what are New Waldensia's reforms for?

To calm down the hypestorm surrounding the three month old comments?

That's Washingtonian Republic's responsibility. Internal Affairs deals with internal problems.

[United Massachusetts]

Hmm?

New Waldensia, your Sectratary of Internal Affairs, is pursuing reforms to tackle "hateful and grotesque speech" in the FCN community. That's according to your regional ally, Right to Life.

It's strange that I, some random person on the Security Council knows this, but you, a "Senate Speaker" in FCN, doesn't...

To calm down the hypestorm surrounding the three month old comments?

That's Washingtonian Republic's responsibility. Internal Affairs deals with internal problems.

I can confirm that there is a bill before the FCN Senate to give the regional government the power to crack down on said speech. At least that's what New Wald is telling me.

[Viridus]

Hmm?

New Waldensia, your Sectratary of Internal Affairs, is pursuing reforms to tackle "hateful and grotesque speech" in the FCN community. That's according to your regional ally, Right to Life.

It's strange that I, some random person on the Security Council knows this, but you, a "Senate Speaker" in FCN, doesn't...

To calm down the hypestorm surrounding the three month old comments?

That's Washingtonian Republic's responsibility. Internal Affairs deals with internal problems.

Yeah, my mistake. It's in the queue right now

[RiderSyl]

[EDIT]
I'd also note that you who one of the big supporters of the KAISERREICH liberation- That liberation that did jack-squat, if you believe that there's a continuing issue in FCN, then why would you go with an approach that's been shown to not work at all?

1. Of course the KR liberation hasn't done anything yet. KR has yet to go founderless. When it does, then it'll show its worth.
2. I haven't supported this Liberation at any point. My first comment in this thread earlier today was a statement criticizing this proposal. I believe that FCN needs to address this internally, or face repercussions outside of the Security Council. (blacklisting, diplomatic pressuring, etc). In short, the SC isn't the right avenue for this situation.

[Viridus]

[EDIT]
I'd also note that you who one of the big supporters of the KAISERREICH liberation- That liberation that did jack-squat, if you believe that there's a continuing issue in FCN, then why would you go with an approach that's been shown to not work at all?

1. Of course the KR liberation hasn't done anything yet. KR has yet to go founderless. When it does, then it'll show its worth.
2. I haven't supported this Liberation at any point. My first comment in this thread earlier today was a statement criticizing this proposal. I believe that FCN needs to address this internally, or face repercussions outside of the Security Council. (blacklisting, diplomatic pressuring, etc). In short, the SC isn't the right avenue for this situation.

Eh, I think liberations do the opposite, if the WA Delegate can't make a regional password then it'd be tough to raid a region

[Xoriet]

Eh, I think liberations do the opposite, if the WA Delegate can't make a regional password then it'd be tough to raid a region

You don't know much about R/D, do you? Passwords make it tougher to raid a region. Then you have to find the password and share it with everyone who is participating on the raid. No passwords make it much easier.

[Viridus]

Eh, I think liberations do the opposite, if the WA Delegate can't make a regional password then it'd be tough to raid a region

You don't know much about R/D, do you? Passwords make it tougher to raid a region. Then you have to find the password and share it with everyone who is participating on the raid. No passwords make it much easier.

...Until you capture the region and can't lock it down yourself with a password, right?

[Xoriet]

...Until you capture the region and can't lock it down yourself with a password, right?

Still not a problem. Most of the time unless natives have defender support, they stand no chance of intercepting a refound. These guys would not have defender support.

[Quebecshire]

I just find it concerning that this resolution has the backing of (and was probably written by) members of the UCS, a region which suspiciously (it's literally run by a man known for puppet peddling to get what he wants) is at over 100 nations already and one of the members of said region allegedly carried out DDOS attacks against Gagium. (Also, to the President of the UCS if you read this, you're literally one of the people within the "evidence" using the racist terminology, so stop acting like you're exposing everyone).

The resolution reeks of this, and it smugly seems to await Gagium to "leave" NationStates.

Anyone supporting and defending this is, dare I say, simply a pawn to the interests of a rather vile region which only seeks to advance their own interests, whether they are aware of this or not. These people corrupted the WA back in June, and here we are again.