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Postby Prydania » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:10 am

Sethtekia wrote:Actually because you can divorce National Socialism from Hitler. Its quite easy. Use its political standpoints, condemn hitler for what he did and move on. Its what USSR did. They condemned Stalin and rolled right on into the Russian Federation which is just USSR 2.0.

That is a tragically incomplete view of 20th century Russian history.
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Postby RiderSyl » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:10 am

Sethtekia wrote:Actually because you can divorce National Socialism from Hitler. Its quite easy. Use its political standpoints, condemn hitler for what he did and move on. Its what USSR did. They condemned Stalin and rolled right on into the Russian Federation which is just USSR 2.0.


The USSR condemned Stalin for being a Nazi?

I must have slept through that history class...
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Postby Sefy the Great » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:11 am

Sethtekia wrote:
Prydania wrote:Quoting this because I feel it’s relevant.


Actually because you can divorce National Socialism from Hitler. Its quite easy. Use its political standpoints, condemn hitler for what he did and move on. Its what USSR did. They condemned Stalin and rolled right on into the Russian Federation which is just USSR 2.0.

WRONG again! it's actually more closer to the Russian Empire under a Tsar then it is a new USSR.
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Postby Sethtekia » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:11 am

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Sethtekia wrote:In this context it is a Joke. If you can't see it then that is why comedy is dead. Because you can't understand Dark humor. Thats okay its like food. Not everyone will get it.


When my grandfather says what you said, it's an obvious joke. When a self-proclaimed Nazi on the internet says that leftists need to die, and then upon realizing they're in trouble starts backpedaling so hard the pedals go flying off, then it's obviously not a joke. It's just someone that put their foot in their mouth.


I'm not back pedalling at all. I was making a joke, but you people don't understand a joke. I feel like I'm arguing with morons. In which I am. If it was seen as a death threat thats on you. I can show this to my police friends and they'll know its a joke. But not you?


No I didn't state Stalin Was a Nazi. I said the USSR condemned Stalin for his murder of 30 million people. And now they call themselves the Russian Federation which is just USSR 2.0
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Postby Prydania » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:12 am

RiderSyl wrote:
Sethtekia wrote:Actually because you can divorce National Socialism from Hitler. Its quite easy. Use its political standpoints, condemn hitler for what he did and move on. Its what USSR did. They condemned Stalin and rolled right on into the Russian Federation which is just USSR 2.0.


The USSR condemned Stalin for being a Nazi?

I must have slept through that history class...

It was kinda like this...

https://youtu.be/cNgxyL5zEAk
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Postby Sethtekia » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:13 am

Sefy the Great wrote:
Sethtekia wrote:
Actually because you can divorce National Socialism from Hitler. Its quite easy. Use its political standpoints, condemn hitler for what he did and move on. Its what USSR did. They condemned Stalin and rolled right on into the Russian Federation which is just USSR 2.0.

WRONG again! it's actually more closer to the Russian Empire under a Tsar then it is a new USSR.


Your not correct either. They're still as facist as the USSR was. They have political rights just a bit more elevated then they did in the USSR.
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Postby RiderSyl » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:14 am

Sethtekia wrote:They're still as facist as the USSR was.


Communist Russia was not fascist.
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Postby Prydania » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:15 am

RiderSyl wrote:
Sethtekia wrote:They're still as facist as the USSR was.


Communist Russia was not fascist.

Pfft. Facts schmacts. You can use facts to prove anything that’s even remotely true!
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Postby Sefy the Great » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:16 am

Sethtekia wrote:
RiderSyl wrote:
When my grandfather says what you said, it's an obvious joke. When a self-proclaimed Nazi on the internet says that leftists need to die, and then upon realizing they're in trouble starts backpedaling so hard the pedals go flying off, then it's obviously not a joke. It's just someone that put their foot in their mouth.


I'm not back pedalling at all. I was making a joke, but you people don't understand a joke. I feel like I'm arguing with morons. In which I am. If it was seen as a death threat thats on you. I can show this to my police friends and they'll know its a joke. But not you?


No I didn't state Stalin Was a Nazi. I said the USSR condemned Stalin for his murder of 30 million people. And now they call themselves the Russian Federation which is just USSR 2.0

see my post further above, it's more of a Tsar then a communist party. Putin is an all-round badass and also plays HOI4, making him an incredibly impressive badass. and this time, i'm saying that without the Russian secret police knocking at my door!

as for the USSR being Fascist...
*slaps you*
grow up! you claim that all leftist should die but then say the USSR was fascist/neo-nazi? you can't just flip your coins, let alone replace them with dice!
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Postby Sethtekia » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:17 am

Well I would say it was a pleasure arguing with you morons and your inability to realise jokes. But it wasn't... I gotta sign off now. And if you're ever in doubt. Remember Only Good Commies are Dead Commies. If I get banned for a joke then so be it. Adios idiots I'll see you guys in about 10 hours! [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/11/02/the-russian-government-doesnt-like-being-called-fascist/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.77861a774689]It is an Opinion that Russia is facist, because Putin is a facist.[/link]
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Postby Sethtekia » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:19 am

Sefy the Great wrote:
Sethtekia wrote:
I'm not back pedalling at all. I was making a joke, but you people don't understand a joke. I feel like I'm arguing with morons. In which I am. If it was seen as a death threat thats on you. I can show this to my police friends and they'll know its a joke. But not you?


No I didn't state Stalin Was a Nazi. I said the USSR condemned Stalin for his murder of 30 million people. And now they call themselves the Russian Federation which is just USSR 2.0

see my post further above, it's more of a Tsar then a communist party. Putin is an all-round badass and also plays HOI4, making him an incredibly impressive badass. and this time, i'm saying that without the Russian secret police knocking at my door!

as for the USSR being Fascist...
*slaps you*
grow up! you claim that all leftist should die but then say the USSR was fascist/neo-nazi? you can't just flip your coins, let alone replace them with dice!
OMFG your an idiot. I didn't say I'm switching sides. I am stating an opinion Russia today is basically USSR 2.0. I don't condemn neo-nazi's because they are protected under free speech. Its called the First Amendment.
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Postby Caracasus » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:21 am

Ahhh jokes is it? Okay I got one for you.

Q. When is a fasist joke about genocide not a joke?

A. When you agree.

Stop hiding behind 'it's just a joke!' or 'we were just playing!' When your ideology is so abhorrent you have to dress it up as a joke, you might want to consider your ideology again.
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Postby RiderSyl » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:22 am

Sethtekia wrote:OMFG your an idiot. I didn't say I'm switching sides. I am stating an opinion Russia today is basically USSR 2.0.


"The USSR was fascist" -> "Present-day Russia is a repeat of the USSR" = "Present-day Russia is fascist"

Sethtekia wrote:I don't condemn neo-nazi's because they are protected under free speech. Its called the First Amendment.

Condemning neo-nazis is also protected under free speech. Have you read the First Amendment?
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Postby Sefy the Great » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:22 am

Sethtekia wrote:
Sefy the Great wrote:see my post further above, it's more of a Tsar then a communist party. Putin is an all-round badass and also plays HOI4, making him an incredibly impressive badass. and this time, i'm saying that without the Russian secret police knocking at my door!

as for the USSR being Fascist...
*slaps you*
grow up! you claim that all leftist should die but then say the USSR was fascist/neo-nazi? you can't just flip your coins, let alone replace them with dice!
OMFG your an idiot. I didn't say I'm switching sides. I am stating an opinion Russia today is basically USSR 2.0. I don't condemn neo-nazi's because they are protected under free speech. Its called the First Amendment.

and here's the third slap to the face.
*slaps you*
not everywhere has the first amendment! for one i don't think it applies on the internet specifically. and because i'm an Australian, i can burn the american flag all i want, but they can't do anything cause i am not in the same country.
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Postby Sethtekia » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:25 am

RiderSyl wrote:
Sethtekia wrote:OMFG your an idiot. I didn't say I'm switching sides. I am stating an opinion Russia today is basically USSR 2.0.


"The USSR was fascist" -> "Present-day Russia is a repeat of the USSR" = "Present-day Russia is fascist"

Sethtekia wrote:I don't condemn neo-nazi's because they are protected under free speech. Its called the First Amendment.

Condemning neo-nazis is also protected under free speech. Have you read the First Amendment?


First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Postby RiderSyl » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:26 am

Sethtekia wrote:First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


You see anything there that prohibits you from condemning neo-nazis?
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Postby Sefy the Great » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:26 am

you know what?
you can't just flip your coins, let alone replace them with dice!

go ahead use that as a quote from me. i'm pretty chuffed with it.
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Postby Sethtekia » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:28 am

Caracasus wrote:Ahhh jokes is it? Okay I got one for you.

Q. When is a fasist joke about genocide not a joke?

A. When you agree.

Stop hiding behind 'it's just a joke!' or 'we were just playing!' When your ideology is so abhorrent you have to dress it up as a joke, you might want to consider your ideology again.
Oh god.... when did you get me stating we should just commit genoicde.
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Postby Sefy the Great » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:29 am

Sethtekia wrote:
Caracasus wrote:Ahhh jokes is it? Okay I got one for you.

Q. When is a fasist joke about genocide not a joke?

A. When you agree.

Stop hiding behind 'it's just a joke!' or 'we were just playing!' When your ideology is so abhorrent you have to dress it up as a joke, you might want to consider your ideology again.
Oh god.... when did you get me stating we should just commit genoicde.

hmm... the term "the only good commie is a dead commie" comes into mind.
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Postby Sethtekia » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:29 am

RiderSyl wrote:
Sethtekia wrote:First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


You see anything there that prohibits you from condemning neo-nazis?
Yes, the freedom of speech. Neo-Nazi's are allowed to spout their beliefs just like everyone else without reprise from the Government or institutions of power.
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Postby Sethtekia » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:31 am

Sefy the Great wrote:
Sethtekia wrote: Oh god.... when did you get me stating we should just commit genoicde.

hmm... the term "the only good commie is a dead commie" comes into mind.
For the last time I'm going to say this because I'm not going to repeat it. It was a comment then and mostly used as a Joke when it was coined. And its still a joke now. But now I'm starting to think you are actualy that stupid you can't see the joke and all you see is a "Death Threat." Well here is a good one. Next time I hear Iran say death to america. I will see it as a Death Threat instead of a small pathetic muslim nation trying to play big boy with a nation that can effectively destroy it with a flip of a switch.
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Postby Sefy the Great » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:33 am

Sethtekia wrote:
Sefy the Great wrote:hmm... the term "the only good commie is a dead commie" comes into mind.
For the last time I'm going to say this because I'm not going to repeat it. It was a comment then and mostly used as a Joke when it was coined. And its still a joke now. But now I'm starting to think you are actualy that stupid you can't see the joke and all you see is a "Death Threat." Well here is a good one. Next time I hear Iran say death to america. I will see it as a Death Threat instead of a small pathetic muslim nation trying to play big boy with a nation that can effectively destroy it with a flip of a switch.

*INSERT RELIGIOUS OBJECT OF WORSHIP HERE*! had i known i would've gotten that reaction out of you, i would've turned myself in for baiting!
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Postby Sethtekia » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:37 am

Sefy the Great wrote:
Sethtekia wrote: For the last time I'm going to say this because I'm not going to repeat it. It was a comment then and mostly used as a Joke when it was coined. And its still a joke now. But now I'm starting to think you are actualy that stupid you can't see the joke and all you see is a "Death Threat." Well here is a good one. Next time I hear Iran say death to america. I will see it as a Death Threat instead of a small pathetic muslim nation trying to play big boy with a nation that can effectively destroy it with a flip of a switch.

*INSERT RELIGIOUS OBJECT OF WORSHIP HERE*! had i known i would've gotten that reaction out of you, i would've turned myself in for baiting!

They actually mean it as a Death Threat. I see it as a joke because they wouldn't last a war with the US. We trained them so thats the only reason they think they can last. But it is a pathetic muslim nation. Anyways I have to go. So you guys keep being dumb so I can keep laughing at your stupidity. And I will leave this forum for now with the statement:
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Postby Caracasus » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:37 am

Sethtekia wrote:
Caracasus wrote:Ahhh jokes is it? Okay I got one for you.

Q. When is a fasist joke about genocide not a joke?

A. When you agree.

Stop hiding behind 'it's just a joke!' or 'we were just playing!' When your ideology is so abhorrent you have to dress it up as a joke, you might want to consider your ideology again.
Oh god.... when did you get me stating we should just commit genoicde.


Alright, I will explain. The ideology fascists follow is poison. It is beyond the pale for everyone apart from a few teenaged internet edgelords and a few diehard true believers. So we see fascism rebranded as 'edgy humour.'

So what fascists have been doing is joking about your ideology, because they know that most people would hate them for the views they hold, and quite rightly too.

If they talk with someone who recoils when they start on about genocide or race purity they pull out the 'just joking!' Card. If however someone appears receptive then they know they have found a potential convert.

I mean as tactics go it's unsurprisingly cowardly and pathetic, but it was sorta effective. Trouble is, most people have cottoned on now. It was probably when fascists started murdering people across the US and Europe and started marching shouting about white pride and all that. Behold the master race at work I guess...
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Postby Sefy the Great » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:40 am

Caracasus wrote:
Sethtekia wrote: Oh god.... when did you get me stating we should just commit genoicde.


Alright, I will explain. The ideology fascists follow is poison. It is beyond the pale for everyone apart from a few teenaged internet edgelords and a few diehard true believers. So we see fascism rebranded as 'edgy humour.'

So what fascists have been doing is joking about your ideology, because they know that most people would hate them for the views they hold, and quite rightly too.

If they talk with someone who recoils when they start on about genocide or race purity they pull out the 'just joking!' Card. If however someone appears receptive then they know they have found a potential convert.

I mean as tactics go it's unsurprisingly cowardly and pathetic, but it was sorta effective. Trouble is, most people have cottoned on now. It was probably when fascists started murdering people across the US and Europe and started marching shouting about white pride and all that. Behold the master race at work I guess...

just imagine being so intent on racism you even judge people based on what shade of what shade of white their skin is...
oh, but wait, we aren't talking about the australian political system and it's politicians in this thread. continue on as normal.
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