What is wrong with my post? (fixed it)
Prydania wrote:Forestavia wrote:1. I do find fascism abhorrent.
And yet you can't help but make principled stands to defend it.
That's why I'm fighting so hard against this so-called "liberation". I am definitely not an apologist for authoritarian ideology. And as a member of the WA, I don't want my world government acting fascist.
Standing up to fascism does not make you a fascist. I have no problem repeating this point btw.
2. Garbage argument? I think you missed the point. The one about fighting authoritarianism with authoritarianism. It IS a moral equivalency. The Security Council is acting like an authoritarian region.
Oh look! You acknowledged the above point. With your only counter being, essentially, "no you."
Sorry, there is no moral equivalency.
Someone who says "let's kill the gays, Jews, blacks, and all other deviants or non-Aryans" is NOT morally equivalent to the person who says "I will do whatever is necessary to stop you from killing those people."
3. I've defended many regions on this issue. Communism is abhorrent. I defended them. Feminism is abhorrent. I defended them. Give me some credit. This issue of fake liberating regions against their will is very near and dear to my heart. I have stood up for everyone even if I disagree with them. The proof is in that link in my signature. There is no moral vacuum.
Oh but there is a moral vacuum. You don't get to build a reputation off of standing up for morally abhorrent ideologies and then claim that you're the the moral one.
4. Condemnations are badges of dishonor. Look up the definition in the dictionary. The only badge of honor is the Commendation.
You're either very naive of the way dishonourable nations and regions have co-opted Condemnations or you're being wilfully obtuse.
5. Oh, my goodness no! The Security Council can't be trusted with the power it already has. Why would we add MORE teeth to Condemnations? This body has shown time and time again that it cannot handle the little bit of power that it already has.
People wanted something with actual teeth to deal with fascists. Condemnations were not providing that. So they turned to offensive liberations.
You can either try to convince the SC that Condemnations are still the preferable option, which you will not do unless they are changed to have consequences behind them, or you can stop whining about the players of the game adopting to a changing meta.
Have a heart and leave the fascists alone.
Again, fascism considers me sub-human scum worthy of nothing but death. Why should I just leave them alone?
Oh, man. Where do I even begin?
1. Yes, that is correct. I find fascism abhorrent and yet I make principled stands to defend it in this particular situation. What's wrong with that? Do you want to know why I take this position? Because the authoritarianism of the Security Council scares me way more than the authoritarianism of one region. Also, I don't like the hypocrisy of fighting authoritarianism with authoritarianism.
2. "Standing up to fascism does not make you a fascist". Going back to my venn diagram example (my flag), I'm going to rephrase your sentence.
Standing up to fascism does not NECESSARILY make you a fascist. Don't forget that it is possible to fight fire with fire, fascism with fascism, authoritarianism with authoritarianism. The WA Security Council is smack dab in that red shaded area of that diagram. You can call it a garbage argument all you want.
3. "Someone who says "let's kill the gays, Jews, blacks, and all other deviants or non-Aryans" is NOT morally equivalent to the person who says "I will do whatever is necessary to stop you from killing those people."
^Let's take a look at this. What are we doing in this chamber? We are looking at deviant, ideologically controversial and unpopular regions and we are targeting them. We are saying, as a world government, "Let's kill the authoritarians in that region over there." We're doing it with subtlety because the effects are not immediate. We will lie in waiting for months or years until their region goes founderless. Then we'll move in. Then we'll invade and kill and scatter their community to the winds. We will be responsible for the genocide of a vibrant community. This is morally equivalent.
4. If regions like the idea of having a Condemnation attached to their region, then so be it. It doesn't change the definition of the word condemnation. If they like their evilness too much we could always repeal it.
5. I will not stop whining. I will not stop defending those who need a voice. I will crawl out of my hole every time one of these shameful preemptive offensive neoliberations come across my desk because they are nothing more than warzone creations that take the SC away from its true purpose and mission in the world.
6. Human scum? Why should you leave them alone? Well, Prydania it's simple. You leave the fascists alone for the same reason you don't go into the woods and poke a mother bear with a stick. Because now that the WA has made such a polarizing big deal out of this situation, you can bet your bottom dollar that the authoritarians, fascists, dictators, and totalitarians are going to respond militarily towards those in this chamber who are voting in favor of this resolution. I would expect an R/D response to regions associated with this resolution. Why would I expect that? You can't keep poking the wild animal with a stick and expect it to leave you alone. And that, my friend, is the reason why you should leave the fascists alone. We are creating war and chaos in our world instead of peace.