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RiderSyl
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Postby RiderSyl » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:44 am

Sethtekia wrote:Yes, the freedom of speech. Neo-Nazi's are allowed to spout their beliefs just like everyone else without reprise from the Government or institutions of power.


Correct.
You are not the government nor an institution of power.
You can condemn neo-nazis.
The First Amendment does not restrict you from doing so.
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Postby Sethtekia » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:50 am

RiderSyl wrote:
Sethtekia wrote:Yes, the freedom of speech. Neo-Nazi's are allowed to spout their beliefs just like everyone else without reprise from the Government or institutions of power.


Correct.
You are not the government nor an institution of power.
You can condemn neo-nazis.
The First Amendment does not restrict you from doing so.


And why would I condemn Neo-Nazi's? Its not like they're a threat. They are a very very small group of people. They have less then 3000 members in the US. Thats not a big threat and most of those Neo-Nazis are very Pro-America. So I can't condemn anyone who supports the master Nationality. American. That is the superior master race. Americans. Any color you wanna be. You're born in a America you're in the Master Race. I'm an unabashed Ultranationalist of America.
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Postby RiderSyl » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:54 am

Sethtekia wrote:
RiderSyl wrote:
Correct.
You are not the government nor an institution of power.
You can condemn neo-nazis.
The First Amendment does not restrict you from doing so.


And why would I condemn Neo-Nazi's? Its not like they're a threat. They are a very very small group of people. They have less then 3000 members in the US. Thats not a big threat and most of those Neo-Nazis are very Pro-America.


I was just explaining why you were completely wrong when you said:
Sethtekia wrote:I don't condemn neo-nazi's because they are protected under free speech. Its called the First Amendment.
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Postby Sefy the Great » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:55 am

Sethtekia wrote:
RiderSyl wrote:
Correct.
You are not the government nor an institution of power.
You can condemn neo-nazis.
The First Amendment does not restrict you from doing so.


And why would I condemn Neo-Nazi's? Its not like they're a threat. They are a very very small group of people. They have less then 3000 members in the US. Thats not a big threat and most of those Neo-Nazis are very Pro-America. So I can't condemn anyone who supports the master Nationality. American. That is the superior master race. Americans. Any color you wanna be. You're born in a America you're in the Master Race. I'm an unabashed Ultranationalist of America.

and the rest of the world wonders why the UK didn't want america back when they declared independence...
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Postby Jakker » Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:22 am

Sethtekia wrote:It is interesting that those who are voting for this measure are joining the Groups discord and lobbing insults at the members. Which is exactly what the left is all about. Your soo quick to claim tolerance for the Gays, transgenders, minorities and illegal aliens but then your soo intolerant to anyone who has a different opinion than yourself. As if your some kind of thought police.

When will you wake up and just admit it. You hate people who don't think like you and your only strong in numbers because of how pathetic you are. Your leftist agenda will never work because you don't have the will to follow through.

Your not liberals. Your leftist. And the only good leftist is like a good communist. Dead.


We take death threats fairly seriously. With that said, it's all about context. If it is very clear that someone is being over the top and light-hearted, then it might not be actionable. In this case, given the context at hand and the overall post, I'm interpreting your tone as advocating death, which is against the rules.

Sethtekia wrote:I feel like I'm arguing with morons. In which I am.


Sethtekia wrote:Well I would say it was a pleasure arguing with you morons


Given all of the posts above, *** Warned for Flaming/Advocating Death/Threadjacking ***. The flaming is for calling players morons multiple times and the threadjack is because you contributed to posts that were not relevant to the topic at hand.

Sethtekia wrote:[But it is a pathetic muslim nation. Anyways I have to go. So you guys keep being dumb so I can keep laughing at your stupidity. And I will leave this forum for now with the statement:
(Image)


And with this post, you get a *** 24-hour forum ban for Trolling/Flaming ***. I'd recommend reviewing our forum rules.



RiderSyl, Sefy the Great, and Prydania: You three (along with Sethtekia, were part of a 3+ page threadjack going back and forth about something that was not related to the thread at all. If you all think someone has done something worth reporting, do so and move on. Continuing to threadjack is not helpful for anyone.

RiderSyl, Sefy the Great, and Prydania, you three get a *** Warning for Threadjacking ***. Prydania, you did post once to try and get back on topic which is appreciated, but then went right back to threadjacking.



To everyone, please make sure to keep the topic to the SC proposal at vote. There has been far too much conversations not relevant to the thread.
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Postby RiderSyl » Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:29 am

With 3 hours left, it looks like this is going to pass.

Congrats in advance to Lord Dominator on successful SC authorship. We'll see if it stands up to the inevitable repeal attempt.
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Postby Sefy the Great » Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:31 am

RiderSyl wrote:With 3 hours left, it looks like this is going to pass.

Congrats in advance to Lord Dominator on successful SC authorship. We'll see if it stands up to the inevitable repeal attempt.

Indeed, they certainly deserve a round of applause.
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Postby Caracasus » Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:34 am

RiderSyl wrote:With 3 hours left, it looks like this is going to pass.

Congrats in advance to Lord Dominator on successful SC authorship. We'll see if it stands up to the inevitable repeal attempt.


I'm guessing it will. While there's certainly some who oppose the liberation in the first place (It's been hovering at just under a third for about a day now) I don't know whether those votes would translate to actually repealing it or not. There's a difference between voting no because you think a resolution is unnecessary or silly and voting yes to repeal it. I'd imagine a good chunk of the no voters might well just think "not this shit again!" and vote down a repeal on principle.

I'm also wondering where the copycat and tit-for-tat "liberate X region"'s are. Perhaps we'll see them after this one passes.
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Postby Nova Trieste » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:22 am

Sethtekia wrote:(Image)

GANG WEED RISE UP
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Postby USS Monitor » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:41 am

Nova Trieste wrote:
Sethtekia wrote:(Image)

GANG WEED RISE UP


The topic. Get back on it.
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Postby Caracasus » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:01 am

Liberate Confederation of Corrupt Dictators was passed 10,443 votes to 4,928.


Congratulations Lord Dominator!
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Postby Lord Dominator » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:04 am

Caracasus wrote:
Liberate Confederation of Corrupt Dictators was passed 10,443 votes to 4,928.


Congratulations Lord Dominator!

Thank you :)
Also, thank you to you, Prydania and others for taking your time to argue here :clap:

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Postby Riakou » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:15 am

Prydania wrote:
Prydania wrote:To keep things kind of on topic...

The CCD has defended themselves by claiming that they merely RP as fascists, without actually being fascists.

We can all clearly see that Sethtekia lobbing death threats at anyone he considers a “leftist” isn’t RPing. He’s advocating for the Nazi ideology and, as mentioned, making death threats. He’s also a regional officer in The Greater Nazi Empire. A region the CCD has an embassy with.

So I have questions for the CCD.

Did the CCD, if it is truly just RP, know that The Greater Nazi Empire region was, in fact, an actual Nazi region and not merely a RP one?

If the CCD was unaware of TGNE’s true nature how does it view a TGNE regional officer arguing on their behalf and making death threats?

Jocospor, ShrewLlamaLand, Riakou? Thoughts?

Quoting this because I feel it’s relevant.


No one should be threatening death upon anyone.

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Postby Blood Wine » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:18 am

Let the fascist salt begin
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Postby Forestavia » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:05 am

Prydania wrote:
Southern Forestavia wrote:
Where's your sense of right and wrong for the people communists target?

:rofl:
I've voiced my support for offensive liberations aimed at Marxist regions. The reason I don't mention Marxism here is because, and I understand this a radical concept for you, Marxism isn't the topic of discussion here.

If the best argument you can muster in defence of fascism is "but what about communism?" then you have no argument. Fascism can, and has been, deconstructed and criticized on its own merits. Without the need to drag other ideologies into it.
Just like people can, and have, deconstructed and criticized communism on its own merits.

If "whataboutism" is all you have? You've lost. It's the last arrow in the "defence of fascism" quiver.

Southern Forestavia wrote:You're trying to make them the bad guys but it is us who are doing the instigating. It is us who are taking the first shot! WE ARE THE ABHORRENT ONES!

If you have two groups of people, and one side is saying "kill Jews, gays, blacks, and other sub-humans" and another side that says "no, don't do that, and we're going to stop you"? It's not the latter that are abhorrent.

How you can get that twisted around is beyond me.

What do you want me to say? Yes. Fascism is very, very bad.

Such a simple concept and obvious truth. And yet it's like pulling teeth to get you to agree to that baseline. Further? Even after admitting it you seem uninterested in acting on it.

1. Did you even read my post? My best argument was not "What about communism?" My best argument was everything below that. There is no defense of fascism in my post. Where are you getting this?
2. I'm not aware of CCD targeting other regions in this way. Have they? Has the CCD gone and raided other regions and killed off native populations?
3. I am acting on it. And I have acted on it as stated in the post.
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Postby Prydania » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:19 am

Lord Dominator wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
Congratulations Lord Dominator!

Thank you :)
Also, thank you to you, Prydania and others for taking your time to argue here :clap:

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:46 pm

Despite what you might think, they're actually very happy that this passed. They're even going to oppose the repeal proposal.

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Postby Lord Dominator » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:56 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Despite what you might think, they're actually very happy that this passed. They're even going to oppose the repeal proposal.

Jocospor wrote:For the record, we're against this too.

Also this
Also, we find out that some people apparently don't realize that the voting period is 4 days not 5, and that 470 ---> ~500 is about 30, not about 50.

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Postby North Saitama » Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:27 pm

This has been a shameful revival of La Navasse's abuses of the SC for ideological warfare. Congratulations; the World Assembly has become that much less respectable of an entity through its hypocrisy and jackboots.
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Postby Sefy the Great » Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:30 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
Congratulations Lord Dominator!

Thank you :)
Also, thank you to you, Prydania and others for taking your time to argue here :clap:

ah, no problem. always a pleasure to join a thread, talk to a bunch of people, state your opinion and then get yelled at. one of my favorite pastimes actually.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:52 pm

North Saitama wrote:This has been a shameful revival of La Navasse's abuses of the SC for ideological warfare. Congratulations; the World Assembly has become that much less respectable of an entity through its hypocrisy and jackboots.

It saddens me that La Navasse is remembered for the beginning of your supposed "abuses," when he most assuredly did not write the one that inspired him (and now me). And lol to your supposed jackboots.

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Postby Jocospor » Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:19 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Despite what you might think, they're actually very happy that this passed. They're even going to oppose the repeal proposal.

Jocospor wrote:For the record, we're against this too.

Also this
Also, we find out that some people apparently don't realize that the voting period is 4 days not 5, and that 470 ---> ~500 is about 30, not about 50.

Oh, come now, tisk tisk. They don't call us the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators for nothing ;)

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Postby Lord Dominator » Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:50 pm

Jocospor wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:
Also this
Also, we find out that some people apparently don't realize that the voting period is 4 days not 5, and that 470 ---> ~500 is about 30, not about 50.

Oh, come now, tisk tisk. They don't call us the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators for nothing ;)

That's a pretty good joke actually, kudos :p

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Postby Blood Wine » Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:58 am

Lord Dominator wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Despite what you might think, they're actually very happy that this passed. They're even going to oppose the repeal proposal.

Jocospor wrote:For the record, we're against this too.

Also this
Also, we find out that some people apparently don't realize that the voting period is 4 days not 5, and that 470 ---> ~500 is about 30, not about 50.


>freedom of speech
>except anti fascism

just in case they want to be sneaky:
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Postby North Saitama » Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:52 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
North Saitama wrote:This has been a shameful revival of La Navasse's abuses of the SC for ideological warfare. Congratulations; the World Assembly has become that much less respectable of an entity through its hypocrisy and jackboots.

It saddens me that La Navasse is remembered for the beginning of your supposed "abuses," when he most assuredly did not write the one that inspired him (and now me). And lol to your supposed jackboots.


La Navasse happened earlier this year, and is more likely to be remembered. And I say jackboots because this uses force and interventionism, for purely ideological reasons.
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